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By:
strontium
When: 21 Jan 24 13:28
Bit harsh to call Protektorat a "handicapper". On that basis, any horse that doesn't win the Gold Cup is a handicapper. How would you define a proper Grade 1 horse?
By:
acey deucy
When: 21 Jan 24 13:38
Skelton still thinks there is a Grade 1 in him.
By:
Storm Alert
When: 21 Jan 24 13:39
It's slightly irritating that I can't glean any info about L'Homme Presse wellbeing; bloody stable is impossible to gauge. Trip and ground perfect though and his been entered in enough races to make me believe he might be ready. Surely anywhere near his best will beat this lot including Protektorat trying to give him 4lbs.
By:
acey deucy
When: 21 Jan 24 13:49
And not been a penny for him.
By:
Storm Alert
When: 21 Jan 24 14:01
I think thats probably as a result of the early price being very tight. 10/11 is more realistic, given the stable and mia for 13 months. Apologies for aftertiming but Allaho 6/5 with Bet365 (without Envoy Allen) was a much better bet for those that could get one.
By:
impossible123
When: 21 Jan 24 14:59
Protektorat for budget airline race at Cheltenham. Here's 40 here for the race. Allaho is 3.7; he beat a marathon horse at Thurles.
By:
Storm Alert
When: 21 Jan 24 15:02
L'Homme Presse after a few fences looks as rusty as an old nail. Sad
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 21 Jan 24 15:06
Protektorat is finnish
By:
Storm Alert
When: 21 Jan 24 15:07
Phew, thankfully warmed to the task. Protektorat probably best to put him in one of the Cheltenham handicaps. Laugh
By:
strontium
When: 21 Jan 24 15:07
You can probably get a room at the Y Acey.
By:
sageform
When: 21 Jan 24 15:07
Giving 4lb, Protektorat comes out just the best but both would be well short of GC class imo.
By:
acey deucy
When: 21 Jan 24 15:07
Good Race.
By:
geoff m
When: 21 Jan 24 15:11
Protektorat would have won that off levels. Total overaction by bookmakers. Wouldnt what horses they have pushed out having shortened L Homme Presse up?LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Storm Alert
When: 21 Jan 24 15:12
Might have been close and the 4lb of course, but surely LP has a lot of improvement to come, it took him half the race to get any sort of rhythm going.
By:
1st time poster
When: 21 Jan 24 15:18
CD was messing on with stirrups or something for 1st mile of race giving easy lengths to the 2nd
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Jan 24 15:20
Well called Acey, Never in doubt. Right again!
By:
sageform
When: 21 Jan 24 15:22
i take that point Storm Alert. L'Homme Presse should improve enough to beat Protektorat again at levels over that trip but Protektorat was a well beaten fifth of 6 finishers in the 2023 Gold Cup! It is also true that Skelton has been in blinding form recently while Venetia was 0 from 12!
By:
acey deucy
When: 21 Jan 24 15:25
If all my selections ran that well i would be more than happy....You Win Shum you lose shum.Plain
By:
layingisthewayforward
When: 21 Jan 24 15:32
Poor old Acey. Another loser to add to the collection Cry
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Jan 24 15:33
Sorry acey thought you had tipped the winner.
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Jan 24 15:34
Well done Tiger, great shout!
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Jan 24 15:36
I knew I had bet it last night on someone`s advice.
By:
acey deucy
When: 21 Jan 24 15:38
Could do with a few more threeds like this creates a bit of interest no?Wink
By:
acey deucy
When: 21 Jan 24 15:39
Had a **** of a Day though two bets Saint Segal and Protektorat.Sad
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Jan 24 15:45
There is always another day. Chasing on horses you don`t fancy is daft.
By:
Storm Alert
When: 21 Jan 24 15:45
Good thread. I agree with Sage neither of these two will be winning the GC.
By:
acey deucy
When: 21 Jan 24 15:47
You always got plenty to say Mac...After the Race.LaughLaugh
By:
impossible123
When: 21 Jan 24 15:57
The 4lb told there. Nevermind, cannot win them all; the jockey and horse tried - that was the main thing.
By:
strontium
When: 21 Jan 24 18:54
LHP will improve for fitness, jumping and trip. Still not likely to get close to GDC though, but it would be nice if something makes a race of it. Won cosily today, whatever pounds for lengths may say.
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 21 Jan 24 19:42
Enjoy yoyr tiddlywinks acey.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 21 Jan 24 20:00
Really do not see how anyone can think the 4lb made the difference between victory and defeat.

Hoping to see GDC put in another monster performance at the DRF to jeopardise his Gold Cup claims.
By:
FELTFAIR
When: 21 Jan 24 20:12
If they both turn up in the Gold Cup at level weights I would expect Protektorat to come out on top.
By:
acey deucy
When: 21 Jan 24 20:23
I would be gobsmacked if they could get near the Fav in The Gold Cup....But i have been gobsmacked before.Plain
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 21 Jan 24 23:30
I would be gobsmacked too.
By:
strontium
When: 22 Jan 24 11:51
Really? Sure, if GDC runs like he did last time out, nothing will get near him. But if he runs like he did the two races before that, he'll get beaten by something.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Jan 24 14:45
Yes, really.  Otherwise I wouldn;t have said so.
By:
duffy
When: 22 Jan 24 14:57
Agree Stront, plenty are focussing on GDC's last run, but if we look at the wider picture since last March then the conclusion we must come to is that he has a vulnerability as well of any brilliance he may show and as impressive as he was last time the truth is that he was the only one to run any kind of race and the horse that's beaten him twice since last March wasn't even in the field.

If you were really wanting to pour cold water on it you could say that Fastorslow was nothing more than a glorified handicapper himself who beat GDC twice whilst about 2 stone wrong at the weights. Even with what appears the paucity of opposition nigh on even money about the favourite is pushing itPlain
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Jan 24 15:19
Surely the price is irrelevant in this discussion.  L'Homme Presse ran a stinker two back and two back from that one too.
Does that make him a "dodgepot" as well?
By:
1st time poster
When: 22 Jan 24 15:23
skelton running prot again before chelt, diff campaign pot hunting, if it runs at chelt more chance of running in ryanair
By:
strontium
When: 22 Jan 24 16:37
Two back, LHP won a handicap at Newcastle off 164. He was poor the time before that (Aintree), which was his only bad run since he went chasing.
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