Mark Winn (3)

i saw it too GEORGE...

oh no i might win this...

powder puff token shake of the reigns follows.

Hibby, I think the racing parlance for that is 'third run for a mark'.

I'll have a look later to see if the stewards had him in for a R & R enq.

i would suggest they were watching the 6 o'clock news tbh GEORGE...

it was a pitiful effort from WINN...

(who rides a fair bit for GOLDIE these days)...

just saying...

Seb Sanders was struggling for words on skysports when Matt Chapman "suggested" Winn was giving it a non jigger ride.

If that doesnt attract the attention of the Stewards i dont know what does

his card has been marked now...

i suspect GOLDIE might look elsewhere soon tbh.

Tom Eaves the second is Mark.

Permission was given for REBEL PATH (FR) to be mounted in the chute.

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BHA Stewards thought it was acceptable from Winn...

oh well.

The form comments for most of his rides. Slowly away, not clear run, held up in rear, nearest at the finish.

Big old ban !

Al Muqdad
49-4
40/1
T: D O'MearaJ: Mark Winn (3)
Dwelt, in touch in rear, kept on under a hand ride inside final furlong, not trouble leaders op 22/1

It usually takes a while for the R & R enq reports to appear but they're saying on SSR that Winn got 18 days.

18 days. So what. Give the horse a mark of 80 that might stop it.

He’ll regret this George,could be known as the smelly now….silly boy…

Can't comment on the race but did the trainer also get done? Or is it a case of the jockey taking all the blame and apparently taking it upon himself to do this?

I’ve seen worse than that lately,Ellison rider at Newcastle…..motionless until all over,nowt said….

oh dear, what have we here...

"however O’Meara himself expressed dissatisfaction with the ride given by Winn, explaining that he believed AL MUQDAD could and should have been ridden more vigorously in the home straight"

Report in full:

An enquiry was held into the running and riding of AL MUQDAD ridden by Mark Winn and trained by David O’Meara, which was restrained leaving the stalls and settled at the rear of the field where it travelled strongly before appearing to be very tenderly handled in the home straight until the final strides, to finish fourth beaten by 2 lengths. Winn and O’Meara’s representative were interviewed and shown recordings of the race and evidence was also taken from Mr O’Meara via telephone. The Veterinary Officer performed two post-race examinations of AL MUQDAD, which was selected for routine testing, and had nothing to report. Winn stated that his instructions were to drop the gelding out early to help ensure he settled as AL MUQDAD has been very keen on the gallops at home and to hunt away and keep it simple. Winn explained that he was satisfied with his early pitch down the inner at the rear of the field and the gelding had switched off with cover chasing an even pace. Winn indicated that approaching the home turn he had been squeezing AL MUQDAD along with his legs and when the leaders fanned very wide on straightening he obtained clear running. From this point Winn considered that AL MUQDAD had every opportunity to obtain its best possible placing as the gelding was giving maximum effort under his hands and heels riding and he did not feel it prudent to resort to the whip at any point. O’Meara’s representative confirmed the instructions and that the ride had accorded with them through the first half of the race, however O’Meara himself expressed dissatisfaction with the ride given by Winn, explaining that he believed AL MUQDAD could and should have been ridden more vigorously in the home straight. Winn was suspended for 18 days for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to ensure that AL MUQDAD was given full opportunity to obtain the best possible placing, in that he had failed to demonstrate any sustained period of timely, real and substantial effort at a crucial stage of the race, when there was always clear opportunity for him to do so.

So did Winn get his riding orders from the owner then?

As I thought.That seems to be the norm now. Take the blame if it goes wrong and you'll be looked after going forward.

It does seem to be the way that a trainer can point the finger at the jockey and by doing so exonerate himself of any blame.

There was the day at Lingfield, for example, when Rohaan's effort appeared delayed and Dave Evans said he wasn't happy with the ride, which meant Darragh Keenan took sole blame and a ban.

i remember mark winn being the rider of a few prolific winners a couple of seasons ago

Quite a few end up in the hip pocket,spells the end imo….

I feel no sympathy but witnessed far worse….

well done the stewards for giving WINN an 18 day ban imv...

but as a few on here are saying...

trainers seem to walk away from these things without any punishment at all...

if the trainer here is unhappy with the ride then i would presume he will not be giving WINN any more rides...

we will see.

Bobby SHAFToe...

mmm...???

Must be a collector's item, a jock getting actually penalised for lack of effort - seems to happen frequently every day to me.

learnt from the master

who will win the next --- or?? ;)

Mulrennan - for those who need it spelt out :)

damnit! caught on the line - at least he was trying

looked more interested in how the Culhane horse was doing imv shooda.

I saw him looking over his shoulder early and thought "what's that all about?"

if you watch the close up replay of the final few yards he was constantly looking to the right to see who was coming up the rail shooda...

pretty sure it was the Culhane horse he was looking out for...

i could be completely wrong tho.

Is it Culhane owned you mean?

oh I see - rubalite

aye...

Following the race, Mark Winn reported that BOBBY SHAFTOE, placed fifth, ran too free.

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aye ok then.

18 day ban with the trainer making the comments that he did about the ride, but seemingly not news-worthy enough to make the RP home page.

as i've said before GEORGE...

they all just play the 'racing is straight' game...

authorities...

media...

make sure the mug public aren't alienated.

shooda....

Mulrennan riding for Stella Barclay today...

Saw it - forecasted it with the outsider that was 2nd to the fav - still won on the race

another dodgy ride fingered first by the betfair phorum. 

thought it was all pocket talk on 'ere ??

He's not riding for Barclay in the next - both have a chance

2nd guessing this lot is something i tend to avoid tbh.

Jan 17, 2024 -- 2:46PM, hulk23 wrote:

another dodgy ride fingered first by the betfair phorum.

Would the stewards have bothered if it hadn't been mentioned on SSR?

Stella Barclay

How many of the smaller yards can call upon the experience & expertise of someone with his pedigree?

Well I was quite happy to have Shane Gray over Mulrennan in that one - I certainly don't trust the ambassador - each to their own

Chief workrider/race planner Tony Culhane.

and owner.

and carrot grower

and knows all the jockeys 'oop north'.

You see rides like the hapless Winn gives in virtually every race, non jiggers and deliberate poor rides are what is killing the sport. Much easier for corrupt connections to lay their horses with a guaranteed return, than backing and getting beaten on the day. Simples really, so easy to for connections to cheat and fill their pockets.

Careful Basil, you'll be getting it from the 'the game's not for you' mob.

Jan 17, 2024 -- 4:29PM, basilbrush wrote:

You see rides like the hapless Winn gives in virtually every race, non jiggers and deliberate poor rides are what is killing the sport. Much easier for corrupt connections to lay their horses with a guaranteed return, than backing and getting beaten on the day. Simples really, so easy to for connections to cheat and fill their pockets.

I have been saying this for years! Betting exchanges are a breeding ground for cheating , fiddling & dishonest practices.
A great idea in principle , but so open to corruption and manipulation .
Ban all betting exchanges and it will no doubt help keep racing alive for the average punter.
There has always been cheating in racing , but the exchanges have taken it to an unbelievable new level.

Ban all betting exchanges and it will no doubt help keep racing alive for the average punter.
There has always been cheating in racing , but the exchanges have taken it to an unbelievable new level.

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it's made cheating more transparent...

if the authorities give a fk about checking things out thoroughly...

which of course they don't...

coz they want to play the 'racing is 99.99% straight' game.

We were told Betfair would provide the paper trail that would stamp out skulduggery in racing.

As there are now so very few convictions we must assume the game has never been so clean.




PS. I was born 16/01/2024

i think Betfair provides what it's asked to provide tbh swifty...

if the authorities don't ask they don't get...

that's how it appears to work to me at least...

problem is i doubt the folk who are supposed to be watching things at the BHA could tell the difference between a big drift and a bowl of cornflakes.