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Sunday night fixture - jockeys voice concerns on impact for stable staff
Sunday night fixture - jockeys voice concerns on impact for stable staff
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it's not an opinion. that element of the trial has been triggered as the online betting companies claim it will be good for turnover. connections have essentially been bribed with significantly higher prize money for low grade horses, to ensure the races are filled.
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Racing on a Sunday night makes more sense than this premiership nonsense. I don't know if it will attract more betting revenue but it's probably worth a try. The staffing issue is a red herring, there will always be poor employers but most trainers treat staff well.
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So you have no opinion as to whether punters might be interested or not in the racing?
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My question to cider
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Once the novelty has passed, if it hasn't already. I don't see any additional appeal outside of floodlight racing that happens on any other day of the week.
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So you don't think there are people interested in lower grade racing then, cider? Yes or No?
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I am interested in lower grade racing. So the answer is obviously yes.
I'm stating here that debate on this should really be around whether racing wants to model what it does around online bookies only. There is no big bash cricket match scheduled to suit the bookies. Staff working conditions is a red herring. Many people who worked for me over the years actually appreciated the flexibility that working unsociable hours (and earnings) provided. |
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Interesting, Cider, that you think T20 cricket is not to suit the Indian betting market.
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The betting is a side effect. Show me an ipl match played in front on an empty stadium (unaffected by covid restrictions)
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fwiw I'm not claiming it's right or wrong, simply that's where the debate should be. Perhaps the 'sport' is happy putting on a product effectively behind closed doors if it means sustainability, and enhanced prize money via off course betting profits.
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Yes, that's fair comment Cider. But it's a gargantuan side effect - hundreds of millions of pounds are traded on individual IPL matches on this site alone. That money is driving the sport, to a considerable extent.
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Racing is part of the entertainment industry (despite they way some participants behave). If there is a public appetite for Sunday evening racing, and money to be made from it, it should happen. The issue is not that stable staff have to work Sunday nights - lots of people do jobs with unsocial hours, the problem arises if those staff then have to be at work early Monday morning. But that's something trainers will have to adapt to, like any other employer.
I am also in favour of much better quality Sunday afternoon (and bank holiday) racing in GB. There's no reason for so much of the better to be concentrated on Saturdays, and the Easter program (for example) is embarrassing (aside from the all weather finals day). |
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I agree that the staff working situation is a red herring cider and as a shift worker for most of my working life was quite happy to have different days off or work overtime for extra money.
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I've been away from managing people for some time, but in my days it was unlawful not to leave a gap between scheduled shifts. ie you couldn't demand someone finished at midnight and started at 6am next day. outside of exceptions, eg security.
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They only seem to interview jockeys and trainers never the staff,maybe I missed something,extra cash and a day off mid week…..get on with it…
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Ordinarily you would still give people a 'weekend'. If working regularly Sunday then their working week would be Sun-Thu. Lots of people liked a regular weekday off.
In relation to racing, I imagine it's quite a nice day for the staff to work late. Still enjoy a lie in that morning, and little or no traffic. |
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I'd say the jocks were registering their disquiet by proxy. I don't see why they couldn't make the days restricted to jockeys who don't get loads of rides winners, like they do some days in Ireland.
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The factories act still covers that I believe but in my case it was the road traffic act. These days some employers seem to be able to get around all the legislation by having their staff become "self employed" but that would not apply to stable staff.
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Also agree that the jockeys case has little merit and some of them should remember the time when they struggled to get rides and make a living.
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as sat/sun are racing/working days would i be right in assuming as opposed to other workplaces,they,d be like shops on a saturday and wouldnt be paying premimum/OT rates,
who puts up the 150 extra we read about courses or stables ? |
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At the end of the day many of the staff employed are represented by the National Association of Racing Staff who are responsible for negotiating pay and conditions.
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premiums for working weekends have been phased out in many examples. aside from if you work for the state, obviously!
small stables might need people to do it as OT. i believe there was a stipulation that the staff got extra money, specific to the trial (ergo, more 'bribery'!) |
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correct cider but an old goat like me still cant get my head round [ and i wont do it ] working sat/sun/half **** etc for single time even if as in some cases that single time is paid at a good rate,
which is what happens with these rolling 4 day 12 hr weeks ,seems a great rate when your working mon to thurs, but seems like **** rate when following weeks your 4 days include sat and sun  |
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there are many factors 1st timer, obviously the country is not as religious/Cristian as it once was, and Sunday is no longer a day of rest as such. in my experience, when we opened the floodgates to the EU, millions came to the country and would accept lower working conditions for minimum wage, and unsociable hours. not intending to be political but it changed the game. they were still getting a much better deal than they would have done back home, and brought with them a culture of working hard.
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People nowadays would blame the trade unions for insisting on extra pay for weekend and unsocial working hours.
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Nearly all the full time people we took on at minimum wage did not have a British passport. Late 90's thru to 2013 was when I was heavily involved.
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worked up scotland /nigg bay etc in 80,s when you wernt allowed to work on sundays, pubs etc didnt even open, digs wouldnt cook breckie etc,
worked on a new hospital on teesside few yrs back , and a new gaffer started who i new he said he,d got 2 hrs ot every day on job,i said i no its same rate i,m not working, he said yeh but we only hang about 10 /15 mins and get away ,i still said no and got bus home instead of waiting for van ,they were getting home before me  ,but i,d been fighting with the firms owner over rates for 20 yrs and i new he,d sent me there to jump on me when i worked over for single time, job lasted 8 weeks as well but i wasnt given him the pleasure/satisfaction,i,d have refused it even if therte a yr |
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Wow, you mean staff might want some time off?
You woulda thunk it. |
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Gone a bit off topic here. I think it's a bit of a trial and I suppose in racing's current funding regime it's worth a go. If people want to watch racing and bet on a Sunday night, racing should be in the business to profit from that. It was good prize money for the lower grades and I'm sure plenty of owners/trainers would be happy to run for it.
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If the idea is the higher prize money/quality of race improving turnover then stage these during the day when the majority of people/families are not preparing for the following week. Family life is more important than gambling.
If it's purely to stimulate some kind of betting turnover 24/7 then stage 'banded' races at night. |
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If you want to watch racing on Sunday night, why should you be restricted to banded racing? I think the family argument is stretching it a bit swifty.
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Sunday nights should be no different to any other night especially being a day when most people have the whole day off.
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truehoncho, clearly the idea is not customers through the gate, it's for turnover . So if the argument is higher quality racing increasing turnover then improve the Sunday afternoon program which has hardly changed since it started.
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You may be right Swifty, I don't know how many attended Wolves. I suppose they have a view that Sunday evening racing increases turnover more than better racing earlier in the day. It may or may not work out but as I have said its better than this premiership nonsense imo.
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Kevo posted previously the BHA figures.
405 people turned up. They sold 150 tickets in advance so just 255 walk-ups attended. dead duck. Betting turnover no higher than a midweek evening meeting. Charlie Fellows mentioned mental health concerns. Chelmsford next leg of experiment on 21st Jan. Liverpool v Bournemouth down the pub. |
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Charlie Fellows? Ok, isn't he the rich kid who bought Cumani's stables for £5m? I'm sure he can afford to not worry about the extra revenue to be earned on a Sunday. So betting turnover was as high as mid week, surely that means its worth pursuing for a while.
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and I notice he won a race with one of Lady Bamford's Frankel geldings. He didn't seem to mind turning up for the extra prize money with a horse that was probably worth half a million quid. Hope is mental health hasn't suffered.
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He may have called for a day off on Monday if they race on Sunday evening.
They'll persevere with it now until the final fixture at Southwell on 10th March and then do the number crunching. For me, trying to attract a wider audience to the sport would be better served if these meetings were scheduled somehow into a summer programme when families are more likely to attend as opposed to a freezing cold sunday night when the kids are in school the following morning and folf are back at work. Elsewise it's just an attempt to raise betting levels to enrich the levy. |
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There were no hospitality or Restaraunt facilities last week.
Staffing issues? Not prepared to pay staff a premium? |
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BHA led by Julia Harrington quite hopeful that storm PIsha will force the abandonmant of the Chelmsford meeting tomorrow in order to bury the on-going embarrassment caused by this ill-timed experiment.
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