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Suggestions for alleviating racings ills?
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Thats correct, as in USA exoctics are very popular but in Australia you can also bet fixed odds so maybe something along the lines of that would be the way to go all i know is that our model broke and it aint gonna get better.
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As already stated a good thread
I certainly wouldn’t want to cull 30 courses Celtic in fact I’d like to see towcester and Folkestone reopen.even Huntingdon and Chelmsford which I don’t like I still wouldn’t wish for there closure as one of the beauties of uk racing is the variety of tracks ,they can’t all be as good as ascot and Kelso Form I to don’t particularly like seeing racecourse bookmakers with there hands out in front of them but I also think it’s unfair after what they pay to bet each day they also have to pay full entry for there staff unlike the tote. Howard 1241 post simple but spot on |
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Racing 6699 suggests just tote and betfair what would happen to anti post betting?
Currently on betfair if someone fancied Marine Nationale for the arkle the could have £20 at evens El fabio for the champion chase also £20 at evens Burdett road for the triumph £50 at 5/1 Galopin for the gold cup £154 at 5/4 The biggest bet anyone could have on the grand national is £102 The derby £111 The oaks £25 2000 guineas £36 1000 guineas £23 Those amounts are not for everyone once there gone there gone Regarding the tote they have pulled many stunts down the years and declare what your getting after the race,betfair on occasions have made there rules up as they go along, I am well aware the online bookmakers have far to much power and also need to be more transparent as to what there policy is to laying punters but be careful what you wish for it would be duller without the choice. Finally what would those who like multiple bets like yankees ,trixie ,lucky 31s and all the other types do ? |
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Absolutely love the variety etc, but supply outstrips demand, and that demand is not coming back. You can still go to great record shops and buy vinyl albums, but there isn't enough demand for one of those shops on every high street. AW racing has flooded the fixture list, but it isn't going away. If courses can still spin a profit with business events, concerts and other sidelines fair enough, but there is no longer enough juice in the core product to sustain all the tracks in my opinion.
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Agreed Cider. Some tracks are only there by default, Fakenham should be first on the list to go. Decent NH horses can't operate round a tight track like that. Back in the "good old days" tracks were supported by local people and local trainers but now you are just as likely to have horses from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland all running for £4000 at Sedgefield or Newton Abbot. Costs would be considerably reduced by having 4 or 5 day festivals at one course (or perhaps 2 neighbouring courses) as they do in Ireland and the US. Having racing at different venues every day means endless travelling for stall handlers, media staff, caterers, tote workers, stable staff, jockeys etc. Bonkers.
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for a start, get it back on the bbc with decent presenters
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So sageform because decent horses can’t act around Fakenham it’s there by default the fact there are far more moderate horses than decent ones doesn’t matter
Fakenham is well supported by the local community serves some of the best choices of food you will get on any racecourse and is a very good viewing track, it has just 11 scheduled fixtures for 2024 the 4 West Country tracks where on decent horses run have 65 days so perhaps it’s a couple of those that should be first on the list to make it fairer for those who like to go racing. |
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You would think fans of Racing would not advocate the closure of any tracks yet day after day on here people talk about doing away with meetings that they personally dislike. Nothing new as I can recall the same being said on here 10 or 15 years ago and those tracks are still in business.
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Absolutely sparrow
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It's about facing up to reality and not living in the past. Not 'wanting' to close tracks, but realising in the long term it is unavoidable. Or get rid of all weather. But racing is now framed for the bookmakers and online betting in the main, so that's not going to happen as AW is cheap to put on and low maintenance. What would UK racing (jumps in particular) look like now if we did not get Irish runners supporting many of our races? For their own benefit of course. You can look at any individual jumps track and make an argument to keep it running, but the bigger picture is that the demand is no longer there to support all of them. And a lot of them are on prime real estate land. So something has to give.
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Cider aw racing has been here over 30 years now and serves a huge purpose for uk racing regarding where would we be without the Irish things change I remember the north of England ruling national hunt racing I also remember galmoy been the only Irish winner at the Cheltenham festival
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The superbly run catterick has invested plenty in improvements to there facilities the standard of racing isn’t great so would that be one to go ?
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Yes cider, all in the name of "Reality" with your "prime real estate land" thinking.
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Overall AW racing has been a positive development, but over time it has led to saturation and other negative impacts. I'm a big fan of AW and It was very profitable for me when I was betting on racing for my living. I would need to do some research but I suspect Brighton and Windsor would be up there, and possibly Epsom (sacrilege!) and Salisbury. On the jumps possibly Exeter Leicester Worcester NA.
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National hunt returns to Windsor in December cider so should be safe medium term Worcester is on a flood plane so is unsellable,Epsom has staged the worlds most important flat race for over 200 years even two world wars couldn’t stop the derby,
If I had to price one up to be favourite to go it would be Redcar ,plenty of space to build homes for all the migrants. |
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I don't expect it to happen, just what I would go for! Windsor for example has a perfectly adequate track just around the corner. Though obviously Monday evenings in the summer are meant to be a big thing there. I went once when I was living in sunbury and for me it was nothing special.
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I said on another thread the other day how overrated Monday night at Windsor are ,the boat trip ok but that’s about it
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Windsor on Monday's would be better without Chapman shouting and hollering his way all through the card.
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It's a dreadful track imo. ie the topography. horrible biases, turns etc. plus the facilities, at least when I went. poor viewing as well.
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Not quite, as in very poor spells of weather, AW keeps the show on the road.
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Most of the time!
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The only show AW keeps on the road is the bookies show. Designed for bookies and cheating, and continues to do that to this day.
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MJK struggles with the form on the AW.
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A few other things the aw does mjk is give young jockeys a start up in there career’s like billy loughlane it gives many owners who can’t buy foals by frankel a chance to have runners and get very well looked after by the aw tracks whilst getting much pleasure from the sport,it also gave one of the greats of this century a chance to make her racecourse debut on the aw and sign of her racing career in the uk on the aw
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Jimnast if they're happy being owners in it then that's fine. But nobody will ever convince me AW is somehow everything that is good about racing. Particularly Newcastle AW/jockeys involved. That's beyond laughable at this stage.
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MJK Joined: 13 May 10
Replies: 1637406 Jan 24 12:02 As usual you pounce when anyone (me in particular)says anything negative about the filth racing. Oh and anyone who actually believes form means anything on AW racing is a total idiot And as usual you take every opportunity to criticise AW racing. I don't care for some other types of racing but don't come on here knocking it all the time as I appreciate that many others will probably enjoy it. |
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Absolutely enjoy it. But don't pretend it's good for racing in general when everyone knows it's the opposite.
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So you now claim to speak for "everyone".
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So is it the AW surface you object to or the low grade handicaps that are run on it in the winter? To me it is a more consistent surface and my main concern is the very sharp bend and short straights at Wolvs and Lingfield. Do you prefer to see horses ruined by heavy ground in October on turf?
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You might be right but it is not an intrinsic result of using AW surfaces! It is because they race at night in the winter in front of small crowds for low prize money. When they run a good quality race on AW I can't see why it is any different from turf apart from the surface. A significant number of trainers do ALL of their training on AW surfaces so I always beware a horse from one of those having a debut on turf. I can only see AW becoming a bigger and bigger factor in our racing in future.
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