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Another agree,sensible
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All great nostalgic stuff but does not recongise that jumps racing is now dominated by rich owners. And all they are in the game for is to get Cheltenham winners.
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They don't want him to have a hard race. You can understand that. But as I say there is a big chance that a valuable handicap could be won easily certainly on decent ground.
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Yep 2 hundred large at the sales and an £800 job wins the KG…..superb imo
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All they seem to spout about is the ground…..Elsworth never did the status thing…..animals love to play …
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The money doesn't guarantee success obviously. But you would not have had Cheveley Park involved in DO's era. The prestige of cheltenham supersedes prize money, or anything else, by a wide margin. From the connections perspective, why risk anything else when you have a virtual lock for one of the championship races there every season.
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So the rich owners are just in the game in order to beat the other rich owners at Cheltenham ? Well I suppose the top English trainers want Cheltenham winners so will hardly complain about it.
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To be remembered as a great or household name outside the racing fraternity you need to do something out of the ordinary , Red Rum's Grand National record , Desert Orchid lucky to be a really good horse and a front running grey and of course Arkle who not only won all the special races but conceded lumps in top races as well.
Chill won't be remembered in that category winning what he is and beating the same horses in the same conditions , not his fault but fact. Just maybe though Buckley doesn't care about all that and is content in the fact Chill probably will be remembered as a great within the racing fraternity and being the best at what the horse is best at is all that really matters. If that's the view and you just want to invite the opposition to take you on without looking for potential obstacles that may not need to exist , like Frankel maybe , then that's fine as well. Good luck all  |
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The list is endless Hayden…..imv
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For the vast majority at the top end of jumps, howard. State Man is the best hurdler in Ireland and sat out a season so he could win a handicap there.
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The racing punter awaits,but with this lot it could be a while
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Hurdle this year then chase it…bring the game alive for a change…
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Buckley has talked about Gold Cup's ( Cheltenham & Ascot ) and seems a bit of a drama queen type to me. Because up to now it looks like he's doing exactly what the trainer wants.
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might be gambling involved in that one cider. Bit like forgive n'forget
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They knew he had a stone plus in hand. So it was heavily backed. But the objective was to win a Cheltenham handicap as he had lost his novice status. Gaelic Warrior was another they did the same thing with. But obviously found out that he leans to the right somewhat and still somehow conspired to get beat!
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Hewick being a cheap horse and more modest ownership means is more from the DO ilk. Something we'll never know, but would be interesting to see how his career turned out if he ended up at Hendo or Mullins.
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Some absolute guff on here as always to be expected, Constitution is running in this era not the past so comparisons about campaign arrangements are pointless as are slagging the owner or trainer. It is the way of the world as it stands in NH racing and they should be applauded for looking after the horse rather than looking for obstacles simply to appease punters or BF forum experts.
How do any of you know the plans for the future they may have? Will it be 4 Champion Hurdles or maybe a Champion Chase followed by a couple of KGs and maybe a GC or two, maybe even an Ascot Gold Cup or two? Imo the owner and trainer have enough nous to know that the horse is only really starting a possible legendary career certainly more than most on here e.g Quixall re- Desert Orchid, Elsie had not a clue how good he was when he got him, See You Then who would not have won one CH if left to the experts on here. And btw Quixall got more headlines outside of racing papers than any of the greats mentioned on here, go figure!!!? |
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Cagliari,what a load off urine you are spouting,it’s obvious it’s going to win the lot on the steel ffs
Bring it on and and let the horse enjoy and entertain the fodder,trainer & owner are bowing to the media imv Ffs….. They also did not know the potential ffs….win the obvious for the next two seasons then chase it…..I think it can jump ! Ffs |
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It's simple. Just run the f'kn horse. I cannot see the point in being an owner otherwise. You do not buy a horse to keep it in its box.
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Look back through the years and come back when the bridle horse matches up
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monarch 27 Dec 23 17:21
It's simple. Just run the f'kn horse. I cannot see the point in being an owner otherwise. You do not buy a horse to keep it in its box. Exactly ! |
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Showing your true colours Quixall. clueless like your Dessie comments and AOAWetc!!!
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Zzzzzz pish
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Because you know have no reasoning for an adult debate?
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Huh ffs
Debating whether the best horse in the land should take on both codes of NH during its career…. |
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And what would Einstein of the forum do ?
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The only way CH gets beaten as things stand is if you tip him Quixall he is probably good enough to defeat your incompetence!!
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Dessie took on chasing because he was average as an hurdler and was going nowhere as a potential champion in that sphere.
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Lol typical ffs
I asked you what you do if you owned the horse…..and you were sincere regarding the game…..entertaining the fodder and prestige….. |
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What is the aim for most owners in the NH game ?
Answer on a postcard ffs |
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Have you ever owned a racehorse Quixall?
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fred been sabbatarged by F4rty the failed punter and tobymugs who cant tip a winner in the comps league but still claiming +862 lsp and a 123kg ficticious tuna.. WAPOC's.
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Between L'escargot and Best Mate no horse managed to retain the Cheltenham Gold Cup.
The argument was made, that with Hen Knight avoiding handicaps like the plague, fewer runs per season and only in conditions races; this was the way forward if you wanted to keep your Grade 1 horse at the top level. It must be said that the worm has well and truly turned. The number of graded opportunities for top level horses at all levels, from 2m chasing to 3m Hurdles means that any half decent horse can skate through a season virtually unopposed until they meet their destiny at Chelters mid march. This has led to all manner of champions in these divisions being lauded. Sometimes quite ludicrously. I remember Tom Segal once claiming that Altior must be the greatest 2m chaser of all time. As big an example of recency bias as ever I have seen. Shame on him. Fact is that the only division in NH racing that really produces competitive racing these days is Staying Chasers. Constitution Hill can win all the Champion Hurdles he wants but there is simply not the strength in depth in that division that existed in the 70s with the likes of Sea Pigeon etc. Constitution Hill is racing's Glasgow Celtic. The truly great 2m chasers like Flyingbolt, Dessie, Kauto graduated out of that discipline to achieve greatness. Until Henderson is prepared to do that with his charge he can never be compared with the greats of the sport. Sorry. |
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Any chance of a photo of the bet Rico, only takes minutes according to you? Point out the lsp claim and where I would need a Newspaper to claim a small tuna with a random weight or indeed where I claimed "I" landed such a fish?
Look forward to the photo but apologise for keeping a dead thread alive!! HTH |
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Btw only just realised it was with 365 so really easy Rico, well done btw being Rico 365 posting on Christmas Day, did Les Gray keep you company again?
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bets only available for 24hrs it says. soz.
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Another PORKIE from the Forums saddest loser but never mind Rico just post up the LSP claim and the tuna?
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Like I say the list is endless……match it owner & trainer if you have the bottle….
Watching it win hard held with the overated on board for the next three seasons will be like reading the Wallsend b@llsacks 1.01 posts…..probably around a million ffs |
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Rico,did you lift a hand to the opposite sex ?
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