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Thinking THE CALTONIAN wins that if not squeezed up on the rail by the winner ULTRAMARINE.

Thoughts gentlemen ?
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Report sparrow • December 19, 2023 8:42 PM GMT
Revision to blame for the trouble.
Report Uberalles • December 19, 2023 8:44 PM GMT
1.7  seems big to keep. Should be 1.2 IMO
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 8:45 PM GMT
Really ?

Maybe I missed something, then, but looked to me that jockey on ULTRA' made the move deliberately to cut off the fav'.
Report Regbutler • December 19, 2023 8:46 PM GMT
Agree bluebook but it's the last race of an evening meeting and the stewards want to get on the Xmas sauce
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 8:46 PM GMT
LaughWink
Report scoobytoo • December 19, 2023 8:47 PM GMT
winner had nowhere to go to so it'll stand
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 8:47 PM GMT
Probably been on the sauce all evening... !
Report Regbutler • December 19, 2023 8:48 PM GMT
If it's a deliberate move then should go
Looked like there was a gap there originally

Haven't seen a head on replay though
Report cool_hand_luke • December 19, 2023 8:48 PM GMT
the more you look the more at fault the winner is, was assisted by revision but battered the fav. unfortunately, the stewards are complete amateurs and you should stay away from betting on anything odds on if they clowns are involved.
Report Sergeant Cecil • December 19, 2023 8:48 PM GMT
Thought the jockey on the winner should have waited, Revision didn't cause much interference and was straightened up a good couple of strides before Ultra made his move. Should go IMO, no way did Revision cause enough interference to make Ultra make that extreme move.
Report kjansch • December 19, 2023 8:49 PM GMT
Thats a tough one. the second should have won, there is possibly mitigation for the winner but additionally the jockey switched left to avoid Revision without checking what was there
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 8:49 PM GMT
That was my initial impression too, SC.
Report Sergeant Cecil • December 19, 2023 8:52 PM GMT
Yeah, Revision's come across a tiny bit, when ahead, then straightened, then two strides later Ultra has just decked the second basically. Has to go for me but I doubt it will.
Report Regbutler • December 19, 2023 8:53 PM GMT
Surprised there was anything matched at 1.01 on fptp...

Surely was obvious in running that could be a problem
Report 11kv • December 19, 2023 8:55 PM GMT
Have they forgotten to make a decision ffs
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 8:56 PM GMT
Laugh
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 8:56 PM GMT
Here it comes !

Drum roll... .
Report 11kv • December 19, 2023 8:56 PM GMT
Ultra wd anyone who punted it
Report Sergeant Cecil • December 19, 2023 8:57 PM GMT
Stands.
Report sparrow • December 19, 2023 8:57 PM GMT
stands
Report Jack Bauer "24" • December 19, 2023 8:57 PM GMT
Stands.
Report Angela Rebecchi • December 19, 2023 8:58 PM GMT
Happy
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 9:00 PM GMT
Would that have stood in the US ?

Pointless question, but I would've felt like I'd been chinned if I'd been on the fav', tbh.
Report Regbutler • December 19, 2023 9:02 PM GMT
So, there you are...
Most on this thread thought it should go, but also thought that it wouldn't
And proved right

Don't know what that says about us and our faith in stewards
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 9:05 PM GMT
Sporting Life comments in running for the 2nd are interesting.
Report Sergeant Cecil • December 19, 2023 9:05 PM GMT
You'd think Revision had come across and wiped everything out. There was nothing in that to make Ultramarine dive over to the rail.
Report sparrow • December 19, 2023 9:09 PM GMT
Race 8 - 8:30pm
THE BETMGM: IT'S SHOWTIME HANDICAP STAKES (CLASS 5)

An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race after interference shortly after turning into the home straight when REVISION, unplaced, ridden by Clifford Lee, interfered with the winner, ULTRAMARINE (IRE), ridden by Alistair Rawlinson, who in turn interfered with THE CALTONIAN, placed second, ridden by Jonny Peate. The Stewards found that the interference was initiated by REVISION, and therefore ULTRAMARINE (IRE) and THE CALTONIAN were both sufferers of the interference. As a result of this and the fact that both horses had finished in front of REVISION, the Stewards found that the interference did and could not effect the placings of either in relation to each other. The Stewards found the interference to be accidental as REVISION had drifted left-handed before being quickly corrected carrying ULTRAMARINE (IRE) onto THE CALTONIAN.

Following the race, Clifford Lee reported that REVISION, unplaced, hung left-handed and Elisha Whittington reported that A PINT OF BEAR (IRE), unplaced, ran too free.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 9:12 PM GMT
not one of you clowns seen was an unplace horse that caused it?  Ffs wot a bunch of dopey 🤡
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 9:13 PM GMT
Having watched it again on the SL website, it's noticeable that the winner gets a little squeezed up by REVISION, but only because Rawlinson on ULTRA' is determined to get the gap between REVISION and THE CALTONIAN. Rawlinson clearly knew he'd caused a problem for THE CALTONIAN since he takes a look over his left shoulder.

But, I wouldn't say it was absolutely clear-cut. Connections of ULTRA' will be pleased their jockey pulled out all the stops to win.
Report sparrow • December 19, 2023 9:14 PM GMT
I think I mentioned it
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 9:16 PM GMT
Eh, Rico ?

REVISION has been mentioned.

Maybe us mortals had doubts as we don't have the benefit of your omniscience from your lofty perch above us all.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 9:18 PM GMT
ive just seen the hd on...it was blatantly obvious revision took the winner towards the rail which hmp the 2nd..it was a full bank job to stand.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 9:19 PM GMT
sparrow 19 Dec 23 20:42 
Revision to blame for the trouble.

wd sparra marra...must have copped the lot?
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 9:19 PM GMT
Had your bank on then, did you ?
Report sparrow • December 19, 2023 9:25 PM GMT
Hardly ever bet on stewards but I said only one thing that Revision caused the trouble.
Report cool_hand_luke • December 19, 2023 9:25 PM GMT

Dec 19, 2023 -- 9:18PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


ive just seen the hd on...it was blatantly obvious revision took the winner towards the rail which hmp the 2nd..it was a full bank job to stand.


welcome to the Stewarty b school of aftertimers.

Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 9:30 PM GMT
ive been right 49/50 last 50 stewards...you get yourself to specsavers at 9am..clueless. and blind.
Report Regbutler • December 19, 2023 9:36 PM GMT
Wazza... You were noticeable by your absence on this thread until...
The result stands announced

Now telling us all it was obvious

4/6 and 6/4 in the stewards suggests otherwise
Report bluebook • December 19, 2023 9:41 PM GMT
Wasn't referring to you sparrow, but to God. Plain

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

AMEN
Report sparrow • December 19, 2023 9:47 PM GMT
I know you weren't bluebook.
Report cool_hand_luke • December 19, 2023 10:20 PM GMT

Dec 19, 2023 -- 9:30PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


ive been right 49/50 last 50 stewards...you get yourself to specsavers at 9am..clueless. and blind.


come on Rico, your better than that....that's not a fair retort to being compared to Stewarty B, have another go

Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 10:41 PM GMT
i left office at 6 reg...only seen reply after seeing this.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 10:42 PM GMT
luke..are you telling me after you seen the hd on it wasnt blatantly obv revision caused the winner to go left and hmp the 2nd?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 10:45 PM GMT
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Report swiftynifty • December 19, 2023 10:53 PM GMT
The winner should have been chucked, and if the stewards had heard Rawlinson's interview on ATR afterwards it almost certainly would've been. He admitted he was making a bee-line for the rail (regardless of any interference from Revision) and admitted firstly he hadn't intended to leave a gap open on the rail as he'd been drawn on the rail and planned to race very handily throughout, and secondly he didn't really know The Caltonian was there until he'd moved in front. Poor decision.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 10:55 PM GMT
so your saying revision played no part in forcing the winner towards the rail?
Report swiftynifty • December 19, 2023 10:58 PM GMT
Revision caused the 'winner' to move to lane 2. Rawlinson then had intentions to go to lane one of his own accord and admitted as much (albeit alomst certainly not to the stewards once connections had got a firm grip of him before he went in)
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 11:07 PM GMT
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beggars utter belief what some people see..revision has 100% moved a yd left forcing the winner a yard left into the path of the 2nd.
Report cool_hand_luke • December 19, 2023 11:22 PM GMT

Dec 19, 2023 -- 10:42PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


luke..are you telling me after you seen the hd on it wasnt blatantly obv revision caused the winner to go left and hmp the 2nd?


No, as stated earlier, Revision caused the incident, however, from my take the winner then took full advantage closing the door on the eventual second. Always likely to keep the race.

Report swiftynifty • December 19, 2023 11:24 PM GMT
Exactement mon ami.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 19, 2023 11:25 PM GMT
stewards kon kurred with rico..

wd stewards.
Report cool_hand_luke • December 19, 2023 11:30 PM GMT
GrinGrinGrin

They know you have a 98% win percentage
Report swiftynifty • December 19, 2023 11:37 PM GMT
Winner was 1.8 plus for a short time. You shouldn't have knocked off early.
Report bluebook • December 20, 2023 12:06 AM GMT
Apologies for being a grammar pedant, but it's 'you're', not 'your', i.e. 'you are saying', rather than 'it's your horse', etc.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps • December 20, 2023 12:08 PM GMT
im well aware of that swifto..but ta four reminding me...
Report swiftynifty • December 20, 2023 12:59 PM GMT
no problemo.
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