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madhatters
04 Dec 23 11:37
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Shortening and drifting
How does this work ?
What % counts and from when ? Grin
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Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 1:54 PM GMT
It just says that Betfair establish an anchor price,and if the difference is over 7.5% then a beacon will appear. Doesnt say at what point they do this. 7.5% represents a relatively small market move and alot of horses will blow both hot and cold. However, they do say "Roughly one in three of the horses that were identified as shorteners by the Betfair Beacons went on to win."

We are all going to be rich !
Report The Management • December 4, 2023 1:56 PM GMT
Any minute now there will be a comprehensive update from BF on the New Products & Features Forum. CryLaugh

In the meantime, the rumour is, that the ones with an Icicle next to them have been tipped up by Farty. Shocked
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 1:57 PM GMT
6.0 Wolves Smokey Mountain has traded below 1.4, now trading at 1.47/1.48 and is showing as HOT !
Report madhatters • December 4, 2023 2:01 PM GMT
Where did you see the info TTT ?

Exactly TM
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 2:01 PM GMT
5.0 Angel Amadea was 12.0, is now 7.0, but isn't hot
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 2:03 PM GMT
Angel Amadeea has also traded at 5.7, so maybe they just cant make up their minds about that one
Report The Management • December 4, 2023 2:07 PM GMT
Madhatters - go to the website - click on the symbol in a race where it appears for a brief summary. Click on the link for more detail.
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 2:08 PM GMT
Click on the symbol next to the horse, flame or snowflake. It brings up a new window. Click on "find out here" at the bottom of page
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 2:11 PM GMT
Customer services have informed me that the symbols will only appear when a bet of £108 is fed into the market.
Report madhatters • December 4, 2023 2:30 PM GMT
Thanks for that both

Don't remember the trial
Where would they get the "anchor price" from
Snaffled from oddschecker ?
With liquidity so poor hours before the event be a bit like the hokey cokey as you said

Hulk must have his own beacon screen Grin
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 5:01 PM GMT
5.0 Outreach 10.0 into 5.4.....nothing
The horse below, 8.0 into 6.0 is HOT !
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 5:02 PM GMT
Outreach became hot at 5.2, but wasnt hot at 5.3
Report stu • December 4, 2023 5:04 PM GMT
That freaked me out for a moment - thought wtf are pictures doing on my exchange!
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 5:06 PM GMT
The hot one lost. The one that was hot but then wasnt hot won.
Report TameTheTiger • December 4, 2023 5:07 PM GMT
5.30 Sirius White was 8.8, is now 6.2, but is COLD
Report cobs101 • December 4, 2023 5:25 PM GMT
Fieldsman was 18 earlier now 9.6. no beacon? I wonder what his 'anchor' price was? WALOS
Report onlooker • December 4, 2023 5:29 PM GMT
The best part of this 'Feature' is ...

There is a  Blue 'Tick'  ☑️ Beaons [?]  Icon - on the Top Bar - above the Market  -  Which means .....

You can Turn the Facking thing OFF. Cry
Report stu • December 4, 2023 6:05 PM GMT
Tend to agree onlooker - did anyone actually ask for this 'development' of the interface..?
Report Whippin Piccadilly • December 4, 2023 6:17 PM GMT
The winner of the last race was 4/9 in the afternoon and went off 4/11 but apparently it was a chilly favourite. lol
Report stu • December 4, 2023 6:38 PM GMT
So wonder how much time and resource was spent for this, instead of something like stability enhancements for the site...
Report yeahyeahwhatever • December 4, 2023 6:44 PM GMT
You can just picture (geddit, geddit) the meetings they had over this can't you. 

snowflake = drifting.

Oh how Betfair Towers must have shook with the resulting laughter.

not.


You know what we'd really like BF?  A stable, reliable and speedy site.  Our needs are few.
Report stu • December 4, 2023 6:47 PM GMT
Indeed.
Report hulk23 • December 4, 2023 6:52 PM GMT
5.30 Sirius White was 8.8, is now 6.2, but is COLD

Hulk must have his own beacon screen

the symbols will only appear when a bet of £108 is fed into the market.


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abso pmsl LaughLaugh mystic meg lads.  look at 6.2 on the cold line ....
Report hulk23 • December 4, 2023 6:53 PM GMT
you all lost.

again ScaredScared
Report penzance • December 4, 2023 6:59 PM GMT
Anchor price is set after certain amounts have been matched
@ certain prices it seems.

< 1.25 £1000
1.26 - 1.66 £800 etc.
There's a table,can't do links.
Report madhatters • December 4, 2023 7:37 PM GMT
Tyger Bay

8  £1,172.14   

BFSP 5.6

No hottie

System down on first day
Report madhatters • December 4, 2023 8:36 PM GMT
Goldsmith got the frosty
Blue Yonder got the hots
As stalls opened ffs

Switching off Grin
Report TameTheTiger • December 6, 2023 2:31 PM GMT
Three good priced COLD ones gone in today. 11.2  13.6  and 19.5.  Over 40 points there !
Report longbridge • December 6, 2023 2:34 PM GMT
found this in help

https://support.betfair.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10315/
Report swiftynifty • December 6, 2023 2:39 PM GMT
brainchild of Michael Fish apparently.
Report madhatters • December 6, 2023 2:41 PM GMT
Cheers Longbridge & Penzeance

Basically anchor set night before
£1000 matched being first trigger for high odds on
& amount filters down as odds go down

Fairly useless in a low liquidity market

If they set the anchor at 10a.m.
Or 4 hoursish before race might be worth noting
Report madhatters • December 6, 2023 2:45 PM GMT
You might tempt me have a look at snowflakes Tiger Grin
Report know all • December 6, 2023 2:45 PM GMT
Good system cold so far and be many about to back one see a cold symbol and won’t back it lol,  minefield until it settles down but in very weak market like we have now it seems 15 years too late
Report hulk23 • December 6, 2023 2:52 PM GMT
you're assuming market movements offer a true reflection of a horses chances of winning or whether, in very weak markets, someone is messing about with them for whatever reason ...  all these snowflakes winning.  makes you wonder.
Report TameTheTiger • December 6, 2023 2:54 PM GMT
two more in quick succession. 4.4 and 4.2
Report madhatters • December 6, 2023 2:55 PM GMT
Time for some big snowballs Laugh
Report Whippin Piccadilly • December 6, 2023 2:55 PM GMT
It was in a collaboration with John Kettley, Swifty! Because as everyone knows....John Kettley is a Weatherman and so is Michael Fish

Could this be the Holy Grail we've all been looking for? Back the snowflakes and lay the flames? Grin
Report TameTheTiger • December 7, 2023 12:37 PM GMT
Cold winner a 7.8
Report Ramruma • December 9, 2023 11:47 AM GMT
Three flaming hot horses in the 11.35 at Sandown, a three-runner race. Time to tweak the algorithm?

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Report TameTheTiger • December 9, 2023 11:57 AM GMT
Thats how they get their 1 in 3 strike rate
Report wondersobright • December 9, 2023 2:12 PM GMT
Laugh
Report Ibrahima Sonko • December 9, 2023 2:51 PM GMT
Isaac Des Obeaux cold but odds on Crazy
Report swiftynifty • January 6, 2024 1:50 PM GMT
nice 4 runner race there at Wincanton, cold horse first, I've broken the code.
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