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Wrong Orse Killarney
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If they only ever bother to scan the winners, I wonder how many more of these there are that we never find out about?
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In Britain the horses are scanned before the race. but even then, they do it too early, which is how Aidan O'Brien managed to run the wrong horse three years ago. The only way to do it properly is the way they do it at Newton Abbot, where you can see each one being scanned exactly as it enters the parade ring.
If Feane is correct, and Irish racing waits until after the race is run to do so, it's frankly beyond belief. Also, I'd like to know whether they scan every runner in Ireland, and not just the ones in the winner's enclosure. Just how many of those 000- horses that get backed down to favourite over there have really been running in the races the Form Book says they were. |
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so you think you're backing the even money fav but you're actually on a complete donkey that won't be scanned when it trails home 9th ... ??
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It's possible.
Perhaps some of our Irish posters on here can confirm what the process is. |
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back in the day when I was leading up (nearly 30 years), the horse was checked for first time at the races. And if the chip wouldn't read they would check the book the old fashioned way. But I don't remember getting checked going into the ring.
I don't know what its like now, but I fully believe Freane when he says they are not checked going into the ring. |
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IHRB need a good kick up the jacksie and get their house in order.
Showing at the moment that they are not capable of being in charge of the petty cash, let alone a sport in which we genuinely are world leaders. |
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All horses running in the UK are now scanned going into the parade ring, clearly does not happen in Ireland.
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"In the UK" Does that include Downpatrick and Down Royal?
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No
The courses in the occupied territories come under IHRB |
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Maybe this was a nice touch. The stewards were obviously going to be lenient with the trainer as he delegated someone else to saddle the horse. He would have surely been punished heavily if he had saddled up himself. Meanwhile the horse was well backed and most bookmakers, on course and in the shops, would have already paid out by the time the stewards objected, 20 minutes later. 3k was probably a p1ss in the ocean when compared with the bookies' pay out. Whether or not it was a touch, it shouldn't remain a possibility in future, (unless I'm in on it.)
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Yes it very well might have been @driver2, and fair play to them if they pulled it off like that.
The issue is that the stewards/vets/authority in Ireland are completely clueless, and events in the last few months show that they are incompetent. |
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casemoney 30 Sep 23 16:15
Anyone who back the Wrong orse surely Funds returned , as you could not win ? Just like the backers of the five losing dogs at Swindon? |
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https://community.betfair.com/greyhounds/go/thread/view/94094/31817397/swindon-tonight
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Indigo Five is/was a maiden rated 62. Hardly one ripe for deliberately lining up as a ringer. If it had that much in hand, they could have landed a legitimate punt!
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Cider, it was a race for 3y olds only and Indigo Five is 4 and didn't carry the weight for age
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There are a couple of coincidences that smell. They sent 2 horses that look alike to Killarney and the trainer was conveniently delayed getting there. I don't buy it.
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I think the WFA is only 3lbs between a 3 yo and a 4yo over 1m at this time of year and Indigo Five actually carried 2lbs more than it's own h'cap mark, which virtually cancels that out. As Indigo Five won easily by nearly 3 lengths means that Indigo Five should go up about 5lbs in future, correct me if i'm wrong.
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Yes I know that, so you're going to go for this massive plot with a couple of pound in hand? Pull another one
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I get your point Driver but on previous recent form i could make Ano Manna 7/2 fav but Indigo Five would have been a 6/1 shot or bigger, unless of course the trainer was aware that Indigo Five was much better than it's mark from a week previously.
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It makes absolutely no sense, as the horse is better than 62 on yesterday's evidence. So why would you waste that opportunity, to cheat in a way that you know will be discovered if you pull it off. A total nonsense theory.
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It makes you wonder whether the horse which won with that much in hand really was Indigo Five.
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Did they fully settle this race, pre and inplay, on here?
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I'm inclined to believe the trainer's story after watching his interview. He stated that all runners are scanned into the parade ring at point to points there, apparently not under rules, which is quite bizarre.
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I think that it was a genuine mix up... the betting will tell if there was a punt on it and nothing seems to have emerged.
However it does show that others can run a ringer, finish down the field, get handicapped off a string of duck eggs and set up the gamble for when the real horse runs. And they know the horse won't be checked. The integrity of the sport, or lack of it including drug misuse/wrong horses declared/feed contamination, is amongst the issues for Irish racing at the moment. |
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i dont think for 1 sec it was planned..but,why isnt the race just made void? those who bet the winner had no chance of collecting,from a simple integrity situation its just absolutely fckn farcical.
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so, anyone get done at 1.01 or 1000 - or win on it here...?
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Ano Manna was treated by Betfair as a non-runner. The 2nd PTP was settled as the winner. From memory it traded up to about 120 in the last few yards.
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bf settle on occial result..winner was disq and placed last..how the fck can bf deem it a nr?
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The stewards used their powers under rule 226 to amend the result. The race was awarded to 10-1 shot Bang Po, trained by Ross O'Sullivan and ridden by Donagh O'Connor. Ano Manna was declared to be a non-runner.
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3.051m. 30yds. 3-y-o12 Ran
Tote.ie H´cap of €11,500.00 3-y-o 1st - €6,900.00, 2nd - €2,300.00, 3rd - €1,150.00, 4th - €575.00, 5th - €345.00, 6th - €230.00 12 Ran News ReportStewards ReportRace Conditions (disq) placed 12thDht silks Ano Manna (IRE) 3, b f 9-10 (Ms Charlotte Musgrave) (1:49.99) (Drawn 12)sr Rated 64 Saxon Warrior (JPN) - Chroussa (IRE)(Holy Roman Emperor (IRE)) Breeder - James F Hanly (Morning price: 7/2 4/1 9/2 5/1 11/2 5/1 4/1) (Ring price: 4/1 7/2) SP 7/2fav John James FeaneL F RocheTote Win €4.50 Place €1.50 towards rear, 10th halfway, headway on outer to go 4th 2f out, ridden to challenge 1f out, strong run to lead over 100 yards out, kept on well, easily (disqualified, incorrect horse ran) |
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Yep. Results services irishracing and sporting life placed Ano Manna DQ'd to 12th before the announcement from track that it had been declared a non-runner. Wasn't confirmed as a non-runner until aound 4.10pm.
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From the Steward's report:
As the horse Ano Manna did not run in this race, that horse was deemed to be non runner under the provisions of Rule 17 and the horse presented to be Ano Manna was disqualified. |
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so, no one on here actually getting gubbed or winning on this?
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i laid winner.
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What price? Gubbed?
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They void loads over here
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i laid winner.
how many 37p's you need to recoup 22 grand ? |
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Just like the backers of the five losing dogs at Swindon?
Did they let the Result stand Sparrow ? So you could give the Bloke with the Scanner a few quid and run anything  |
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Was the in Running market not Void on here ?
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