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He used to be my favourite jockey.
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Passed a few years back,top man.I think his daughter has an important roll in racing
Impossible
Do you not remember the rivalry between edderry and starkey in 81 tou agori mou and kings lake ?
Do you not remember the rivalry between edderry and starkey in 81 tou agori mou and kings lake ?
As he was weaving through the field if he was going well he would bark like a dog to let them know he was coming through to win.
'jimnast', unfortunately no. I was still a full-time dedicated student then and only watched horseracing at the weekend on a black/white (my own) tv. Also, no access to video just bookies ticker-tape usually made-up commentary.
But, I did go to Goodwood post Epsom to watch Dancing Brave winning in a canter; racegoers were (sarcastically) clapping Mr Starkey 2f to winning line.
But, I did go to Goodwood post Epsom to watch Dancing Brave winning in a canter; racegoers were (sarcastically) clapping Mr Starkey 2f to winning line.
Funny you mention that goodwood race impossible what happened then that has never happened since ?
Shirley Heights nailed the shoe on the line….superb race
Well done Cardinal no sp returned
Back then there was a rule if you couldn’t win you couldn’t lose and with betting tax that would have been the case
That old rule seemed to have disappeared when the new style bookmakers/exchanges came along.
Back then there was a rule if you couldn’t win you couldn’t lose and with betting tax that would have been the case
That old rule seemed to have disappeared when the new style bookmakers/exchanges came along.
Frankie Dettori may have played a part in Starkers retirement
LET ME EXPLAIN
Luca Cumani was going to replace Ray Cochrane as stable jocky with Frankie, Guy Harwood snapped up Ray Cochrane as stable jocky (not Abdullah nags, Eddery was already in place)
LET ME EXPLAIN
Luca Cumani was going to replace Ray Cochrane as stable jocky with Frankie, Guy Harwood snapped up Ray Cochrane as stable jocky (not Abdullah nags, Eddery was already in place)
My Harwood was know to Grev and the rest as Mr Gud: a strange, but believeable mixture for Guy Harwood as good and God.
Remainder man trained in the north I think was 3rd also placed in the 2000 Guineas
I thought Dancing brave was 1/8 at the start. I was there and did not notice N no sp returned.
It was a race put on for him in his preparation for Paris called the select stakes the race continued after that year
Sep 19, 2023 -- 6:18PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:
I still remember his last ride, after which he got drenched by his weighing room colleagues, I think it was the November Handicap but NOT at Doncaster.
Might be wrong that it was the first running of the race but either way no sp returned
Impossible are you thinking of Mtoto 2 years later? that nag would have been about 1/8
Wasn't there a Tote return on Dancing Brave for that race at Goodwood - assuming it was the warm up race for the Arc ? I was there and remember passing comment to a mate at the time.
The grand sire of denman is mtoto should have won the arc
I have Starkeys last 3 rides in celebrity races won by bill smith,Eddie hide and Brough Scott.
The owner of Mtoto had a winner at Newcastle tonight, he must be getting on.
Tcat I would imagine the tote has to return £1.10 not 100% on that
jimnast I believe that was the case; DB won by a street - I recall it was cracking flags on the day so underfoot conditions wouldn't have been similar to what would have been expected in Paris.
'Cardinal Scott', no I just watched the race (Select Stakes). He was 1/8. I knew Mr Starkey was onboard (I was there), but wiki reckoned Eddery rode the horse every time post Epsom.
Mtoto was one of my favourite horses; Muis Roberts onboard.
Mtoto was one of my favourite horses; Muis Roberts onboard.
Maybe youtube was wrong. The 1986 Select Stakes; the last sp was 1/8f Dancing Brave.
Could've opened up 1/8.
Maybe no s/p if he went 1/10.
Maybe no s/p if he went 1/10.
Yes that’s possible penzance but definitely no sp returned
I never liked how he struck a jockey with his whip when he was caught napping and lost out to an inspired young jock, in the final furlong somewhere.
I forget the specifics.
Suffice to say the young jockey wasn't seen much after that.
I forget the specifics.
Suffice to say the young jockey wasn't seen much after that.
I to have forgot the specifics Eric ,I never forgave Eddie ahern for kicking that horse in the belly at bath,yet in the end forgave Fallon for pulling Webster of his horse at Beverley which really he should have got a life ban,I’m glad he didn’t as he became a great jockey and most of the time a punter’s friend.
Form.
Was Shirley heights the Halifax colours sure it was him I spoke to at York in the stand beside the old owners stand he was entertaining Statto. Ps Statto gets invited more places than me .
Was Shirley heights the Halifax colours sure it was him I spoke to at York in the stand beside the old owners stand he was entertaining Statto. Ps Statto gets invited more places than me .
Just watched the Irish 2000G tussle between Kings Lake and To Agori Mou. The decision of the local stewards were reversed and the former (victorious by a neck) kept the race; a few encounters took place between them, and only a neck separated them again.
There was a lot of needle involved impossible it was great at royal ascot when tou agori won
Who were the owners involved? I'm more clued up post Shergar.
Ronnie you would have seen Shirley heights win the Mecca Dante ,he had a busy time before the derby ran in 3 trials,at York the future st leger winner was in the race.
Tou agori mou was owned by a restaurant owner who had owned ela mana mou when favourite for the 79 derby ,not a clue who owned kings lake but Vincent O’Brien trained him ,I remember seeing him in the first arc I went to in 1981 a race which was always going to stretch him,he was a very good horse he even beat blue wind at leopardstown and she was no mug.
The 3rd meeting between them both in the Sussex stakes was on the same day as a major event any guesses?
I hazard a guess: Prince Charles' and Diana's marriage?
Fair Salinia Oaks for Stoute….Stoute rated him big time..
Jimnast - Kings Lake was owned by Jean-Pierre Binet; I think it ran in his wife's colours.
Thanks blackbarn I would never have known I seem to think they were dark colours maybe green and black.
Fair Salina beat dancing maid form she was a very good horse
It’s only just now that I feel he has had his day form he has been at the very top throughout my time racing ,but we did say that about Henry then came light shift and you know who
He was unlucky with kings best just like Golden Fleece we will never know how good they could have been.
"Fair Salinia Oaks for Stoute….Stoute rated him big time.."
So did HRAC!!
So did HRAC!!
Jimnast - Green with Black Sleeves were his colours, but if KL raced in Mme Binet's colours they would have been same colours but hooped sleeves and cap. Very dark either way; well remembered.
Thanks blackbarn if I say so myself I still have very good recall even with modern day racing ,but it’s all I’ve ever done really for brain cells not over loaded.
Just looking back to the 81 arc incredible that kings lake was only a 7/2 chance ,not doubting his ability but the test the arc is was surely going to prove to much.
Shergar was pulled out not long before the day so I would imagine he would have been around a 12 chance in the anti post
Just looking back to the 81 arc incredible that kings lake was only a 7/2 chance ,not doubting his ability but the test the arc is was surely going to prove to much.
Shergar was pulled out not long before the day so I would imagine he would have been around a 12 chance in the anti post
Mention of that Dancing Brave run at Goodwood brings a cherished memory. My wife was in a maternity bed in Norwich waiting to be induced. After the injection or whatever it was, I asked the midwife what time I could expect the arrival. She gave me a rough window which I quickly worked out allowed just enough time to get to the nearest bookies and see the main event of the day, and get back in time to save face. I just made it. My daughter just turned thirty seven last week. A couple of weeks later she was just about settled enough back home to allow me to make it to Paris for the greatest race I ever saw.
It’s highly unlikely steerforth you will ever see a better one.
It’s a good job your wife was induced another week or so delay you wouldn’t have been in Paris.
It’s a good job your wife was induced another week or so delay you wouldn’t have been in Paris.
jimnast 19 Sep 23 18:56
Remainder man trained in the north I think was 3rd also placed in the 2000 Guineas
Reg Hollinshead the trainer.
Remainder man trained in the north I think was 3rd also placed in the 2000 Guineas
Reg Hollinshead the trainer.
Yes I think your right on both accounts there sparrow
Form we were talking about Micheal stoute well if still in is heyday that filly who runs in the listed race at Yarmouth today would be the type you could have a good punt on.
Blind jimnast…
Anything he sent to Scotland years back
Anything he sent to Scotland years back
You have a short memory then Quixall, on leave in 81 if my memory serves and went to Hamilton to buy some money, turned over around 2/5 for more than a monkey!!
That apart, standing at the top of the entrance to the old members bar at Yarmouth and watching through bins I said to my mate about our horse "FFS he thinks he's fukcing Greville on Dancing effing brave, cupid stunt"
The horse won but as I turned around there was Greville in his Safari suit wearing huge sunglasses and a wry grin!!! As we all trooped back into the bar he whispered "woof" in my lug!!
The horse won but as I turned around there was Greville in his Safari suit wearing huge sunglasses and a wry grin!!! As we all trooped back into the bar he whispered "woof" in my lug!!
Sep 19, 2023 -- 10:39PM, steerforth wrote:
Mention of that Dancing Brave run at Goodwood brings a cherished memory. My wife was in a maternity bed in Norwich waiting to be induced. After the injection or whatever it was, I asked the midwife what time I could expect the arrival. She gave me a rough window which I quickly worked out allowed just enough time to get to the nearest bookies and see the main event of the day, and get back in time to save face. I just made it. My daughter just turned thirty seven last week. A couple of weeks later she was just about settled enough back home to allow me to make it to Paris for the greatest race I ever saw.
I love this narrative! Many thanks, Steeforth.
Cagliari - Re Greville and "Woof". I expect you know, but just in case you, or others, don't Greville was famous for his dog impressions. A well known incident is quoted in HRAC'S 1983 ghosted autobiography. Which is a very good read by the way - called On the Level.
Sep 19, 2023 -- 7:57PM, jimnast wrote:
I to have forgot the specifics Eric ,I never forgave Eddie ahern for kicking that horse in the belly at bath,yet in the end forgave Fallon for pulling Webster of his horse at Beverley which really he should have got a life ban,I’m glad he didn’t as he became a great jockey and most of the time a punter’s friend.
Yeah, I remember that one too jimnast.
As for forgiving KF,
I remember Jack Ramsden also, but that's another story.
Wasn't he the Jockey that once fell off a horse after it was allegedly zapped by a stun-gun or something similar or did I totally imagine it?
A man who claimed he invented a James Bond-style ultrasonic gun to stun race horses and cover up his involvement in a drug conspiracy failed today in his effort to force a London court to declare a mistrial.
Judge Gerald Butler ruled that an application by James Laming’s attorney to invalidate the four-week trial because of a technical procedure should not be upheld.
The defense claimed the court clerk had not signed the indictment papers properly.
But the judge said it was not “fatal” to the indictment that the clerk signed the front of the document rather than at the end of the charges, as the rules stated.
“There is ample authority for the proposition that the indictment rules are directory and not mandatory,” he said.
Laming, 49, was convicted last week of conspiring to supply cocaine in a multimillion-dollar operation with self-confessed Peruvian drug baron Rene Black.
During the trial Laming claimed he had invented an ultrasonic stun gun--inaudible to humans but terrifying to horses--in order to fix races as part of a plot to launder drug money.
He claimed the gun, hidden in a pair of binoculars, was used successfully to unseat jockey Greville Starkey just yards from victory on Ile de Chypre in the King George V Handicap at Royal Ascot last year.
Two other defendants in the trial, Martin Cox and Patrick Fraser, were cleared of involvement in the conspiracy to supply cocaine but had admitted possession.
Judge Gerald Butler ruled that an application by James Laming’s attorney to invalidate the four-week trial because of a technical procedure should not be upheld.
The defense claimed the court clerk had not signed the indictment papers properly.
But the judge said it was not “fatal” to the indictment that the clerk signed the front of the document rather than at the end of the charges, as the rules stated.
“There is ample authority for the proposition that the indictment rules are directory and not mandatory,” he said.
Laming, 49, was convicted last week of conspiring to supply cocaine in a multimillion-dollar operation with self-confessed Peruvian drug baron Rene Black.
During the trial Laming claimed he had invented an ultrasonic stun gun--inaudible to humans but terrifying to horses--in order to fix races as part of a plot to launder drug money.
He claimed the gun, hidden in a pair of binoculars, was used successfully to unseat jockey Greville Starkey just yards from victory on Ile de Chypre in the King George V Handicap at Royal Ascot last year.
Two other defendants in the trial, Martin Cox and Patrick Fraser, were cleared of involvement in the conspiracy to supply cocaine but had admitted possession.
I'm feeling old.
I remember Greville for Merchant Adventurer and London Gazette ( the latter he rode over hurdles ).
I remember Greville for Merchant Adventurer and London Gazette ( the latter he rode over hurdles ).
Got him to sign my racecard as he left the jockey's room to ride Michael Stoute's soft ground loving Vaigly Great in the 1978 Vernon's ( in the days when it was staged in the first weekend in November). The colt had won the Ayr Gold Cup on the snaff two outings previous. He finished third in the Haydock race behind the Ryan Jarvis trained 20/1 poke Absalom, and hot favourite Sanedtki, a mare who had won the Foret and was with Olivier Douieb. Double Form and Boldboy were amongst the also rans.
Double form won the race in 1979
Never realised the vernons was run as late as that liebe
Never realised the vernons was run as late as that liebe
Well you left the best bit out liebe as I didn’t remember 78 but remembered 79 I thought I would do some research on this race and as you rightly say it was in early November in 78 for the last time ,however the bit you left out was in those days it was run on the round course.
Looking at double form in 79 the 3rd was a very popular horse Devon ditty.
Looking at double form in 79 the 3rd was a very popular horse Devon ditty.
My memory is normally reasonably sharp but had no recollection of the race being run on the round course -however, have just checked the Timeform Annual for that year and indeed they only had a straight five at the time. In the course description they state that six furlong races are run on a taginential extension. That's a new word I've learnt this morning!
Well we have both learnt something this morning liebe
What a good start to the day
What a good start to the day
I’m sure you know it was Robert Sangster who came up with the race yet surprisingly he only ever won the race once.
Was there when Orojoya won - though haven't been to a running since the day Goodricke won. Was lucky enough to be present when Dayjur beat Royal Academy. Later on the card a young Dettori was unseated after the post on a Sheikh Mohammed/ Cumani animal
Favourite race Star Appeal's 1975 Arc , was there and all you could hear was ' Allez France ' , Dahlia in the field too and all silenced by a wonderful ride by Greville . And no I wasnt on at 118s .
The day dayjur won the opening race was won by crystal spirt who went on to win the sun alliance hurdle and run 4 th In nomadic ways (Sangster) stayers hurdle
Use to make dog barking noises in the stalls to wind up the other horses. lol
No mention on this Thread of Guy Harwood's Apprentice/2nd Jockey = A 'Tony' Clark -
- who (somewhat surprisingly, to both the racing establishment and the media) was entrusted with many big-race rides for Harwood, when Starkey had a long-term injury.
A 'Tony' Clark Won the Benson & Hedge/Juddmonte International on Ile de Chypre.
- who (somewhat surprisingly, to both the racing establishment and the media) was entrusted with many big-race rides for Harwood, when Starkey had a long-term injury.
A 'Tony' Clark Won the Benson & Hedge/Juddmonte International on Ile de Chypre.
My first thoughts when seeing the name Greville Starkey is the " V " sign to Pat Eddery after the winning post.
Pretty sure it was on one of the 3 battles they had riding To-Agori-Mou vs Kings Lake.
Pretty sure it was on one of the 3 battles they had riding To-Agori-Mou vs Kings Lake.
They also met at deauville Hayden so 4 times ,tou agori mou finished in front in France can’t remember the name of the winner
One of the To-Agori-Mou wins though jimnast he did V sign Eddery between his legs.
She wasn’t offended she allowed her son to get married the day they next raced each other
https://youtu.be/qOZjUT26qXc?si=vCAQimbIpicT3KJc
Extended coverage of the 1981 Sussex beginning with the runners leaving the paddock. Majority of us were no doubt on the razzle that day, watching the racing in the pub. The BBC coverage is exemplary - could almost cry how downhill terrestial coverage has gone. Interesting to hear Jimmy Lindley allude to To Agori Mou's common head - something we don't see anymore in the flat breed.
Extended coverage of the 1981 Sussex beginning with the runners leaving the paddock. Majority of us were no doubt on the razzle that day, watching the racing in the pub. The BBC coverage is exemplary - could almost cry how downhill terrestial coverage has gone. Interesting to hear Jimmy Lindley allude to To Agori Mou's common head - something we don't see anymore in the flat breed.
Sep 19, 2023 -- 6:18PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:
I still remember his last ride, after which he got drenched by his weighing room colleagues, I think it was the November Handicap but NOT at Doncaster.
^^^ And here is the proof ^^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIgFU9DEDTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIgFU9DEDTg
I've not read any previous posts. Is he not dead? I remember reading this somewhere horsey some time ago.
Yet another excuse (not that its needed ) to watch his sublime ride on Star Appeal in the Arc .
think STARKEY,s name is back in headlines /vogue due to a lot of punters .no racing people listening to the RUK Michael stoute interview ,where he said Starkey was best judge of horse flesh stoute has ever seen and stoute moved heaven and earth to get him in the yard when he retired
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