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07 Sep 23
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A few times I reckon,passed in Switzerland earlier…
Classic hypocrisy Quixall !! VWD, in your own words "We all die FFS" ?
Ditto acey but frowned on according to Quixall on any other thread.
Eddie Hide was a great northern jockey - he had energy and drive (and some big teeth too) and banged the winners in.
1982 Stewards Enquiry documentary YT features Edward Hide in opening moments where stewards don't recognize he and Willie Carson have a forename. Snooty Old Buffers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqH9dLARww8&t=1100s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqH9dLARww8&t=1100s
CagliariG 07 Sep 23 14:24
Classic hypocrisy Quixall !! VWD, in your own words "We all die FFS" ?
Respect Cagliari.I had a lot of respect for the man,met him a few times a proper gent…unlike most imv..
Classic hypocrisy Quixall !! VWD, in your own words "We all die FFS" ?
Respect Cagliari.I had a lot of respect for the man,met him a few times a proper gent…unlike most imv..
So sub rip for respect and it makes your thread different from the ones you slate?
Tbh no difference imo as most are about respect?
Tbh no difference imo as most are about respect?
I have to respect a person Cagliari,like I said I met him a few times,he was a brave rider round Lanark the tightest in the country at one time…
Henry Cecil is another I gave mention along with Tommy Craig….
Respect is not a word you throw around like confetti ffs
Henry Cecil is another I gave mention along with Tommy Craig….
Respect is not a word you throw around like confetti ffs
The first top northern jockey I remember,basically got the pick of everything in the North,very good jockey and tactician.
A hockey you'd count on to deliver. RIP Mr Hide!
Great jock, I grew up backing him Starkey Lewis and Keith all along about the same time. RIP
Presume he took over from Edgar Britt as stable jockey for Captain Elsey , then his son . Couldnt go a week in our house when I was a kid without hearing his name and probably why I backed Morston . RIP a fine jockey .
Sep 7, 2023 -- 3:07PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:
1982 Stewards Enquiry documentary YT features Edward Hide in opening moments where stewards don't recognize he and Willie Carson have a forename. Snooty Old Buffers!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqH9dLARww8&t=1100s
excellent video.
I'm sorry but I love that they called each other by their second names, jocks included.
And the doddering old steward not able to keep the cigarette still in his hand...
reminds me of school!!!
Married a girl called Heidi I believe, worked at Butlins.
Was remeniscing with my mate(South London boy ) who said ..' There was bedlam in the pub when Waterloo won the 1000 guineas , James Lane in the Marsh ran out of cash and I didnt get paid till Monday morning ' .
Philip is Tony's son who I think trained for a while.
I remember he rode Fearless Lad to win at Beverley. Trainer asked Hide if it was worth him running in the King's Stand. Hide replied "Worth running ? He'll nearly win it". He did.
GLASGOWCALLING.
Very good just got that. It was Maplins though. Seriously Edward Hide was a top class jockey in an era of top class riders.
Very good just got that. It was Maplins though. Seriously Edward Hide was a top class jockey in an era of top class riders.
1st bet I ever had
10p ew babus court, ridden by E Hide
Won at 10/1
1976ish
I was hooked, the rest is history
10p ew babus court, ridden by E Hide
Won at 10/1
1976ish
I was hooked, the rest is history
I thought Mick Easterby's tribute was eloquent and moving.
Eddie Hide was in his prime when I was a novice punter. I remember all the big name winners he rode and also a lesser known one called Dunoon Star who was a multiple winner as a 2 y o. RIP.
Eddie Hide was in his prime when I was a novice punter. I remember all the big name winners he rode and also a lesser known one called Dunoon Star who was a multiple winner as a 2 y o. RIP.
Stopped him for his autograph at York when I was ten. Asked him if he was going to win. He told me with a smike to ask Lester who was with him as he only won when Lester let him ! I believed him at the time! ( Lester won. )
You can't beat a Daily Telegraph obituary.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2023/09/08/edward-hide-derby-jockey-morston-oaks-guineas-epsom-racing/
Edward Hide, Derby-winner who became one of the most successful jockeys in British history – obituary
He won all the Classics bar the 2,000 Guineas and was 16 times Sock o' the North, beating Lester Piggott by half a length in the 1973 Derby
Edward Hide, who has died aged 86, was one of the most successful jockeys of the modern era, winning all the Classics bar the 2,000 Guineas, and riding to triumph in the 1973 Derby on Morston, beating his great rival Lester Piggott by half a length.
He retired at the age of 49 in 1986, having ridden 2,593 winners in Britain, making him at the time the sixth most successful jockey in British history; only Gordon Richards, Lester Piggott, Doug Smith, Joe Mercer and Fred Archer had ridden more.
He was particularly dominant on the northern circuit, winning the title of Sock o’ the North no fewer than 16 times, between 1957 and 1983; he also had the bittersweet honour of being the most successful jockey never to have won the jockeys’ championship, a title which persistently eluded him.
Eddie Hide (as he was universally known in the racing world) was a supreme tactician, adept at splitting the field, and canny enough about the formbook only to book himself rides on horses he knew could win. But if he was a slippery customer on the track, the opposite was true off it; his fellow jockeys nicknamed him “Mr Clean”. It was perhaps with tongue in cheek that he called his 1989 memoir Nothing to Hide.
Hide won the 1,000 Guineas in 1972 on Waterloo, and again in 1977 on Mrs McArdy. He won the Oaks in 1967 on Pia, and the St Leger twice, first in 1959 on Cantelo, then again, as a veteran of 42, aboard Julio Mariner in 1978. But nothing compared to his victory in the 1973 Derby, which went down in Epsom mythology.
For one thing, Hide had never sat on Morston before. For another, the Derby was only the chestnut colt’s second race. Epsom’s notorious undulations, turns and awkward slope at the finish make it a nightmare for an inexperienced horse.
When Hide got to the paddock, after an arduous train and bus trip from York, Morston’s owner and trainer, Arthur Budgett, told him: “This colt must not be whipped if he can’t win.” Hide gave his snaggle-toothed smile and said: “Thanks a lot. I could have ridden five winners at Redcar today instead of this non-trier in the Derby.”
Hide was very superstitious: this was his 13th Derby; Morston was 13 on the racecard. In Budgett’s pink and grey colours, at 25-1, Hide stormed home to win by half a length in front of Lester Piggott on Cavo Doro, with Freefoot ridden by Pat Eddery in third place on the rails.
Budgett entered history as the only person in the 20th century to have bred, owned and trained two Derby winners, having won it in 1969 with Blakeney, Morston’s half-brother; for Morston, however, the Derby turned out to be a swansong; a sprained tendon on the way to the St Leger meant that he never raced again.
Edward William George Hide was born at Stanton Lacy near Ludlow on April 12 1937. His father was the trainer Bill Hide, who took on his 13-year old son as an apprentice, and gave him his first race at Birmingham in August 1950; unfortunately, young Edward – who was 4ft 6in, and weighed just over four stone – came last. Undeterred, Hide had his first winner, on Ritornello, at Chepstow in 1951.
Aged 16, in 1953, he fulfilled his childhood dream of riding against, and beating, his hero, Gordon Richards, whom he revered not just as “a fellow Shropshire lad”, but because no rider was ever able to match Richards’s consistent 200 wins per season, even after air travel made it possible for jockeys to ride two meetings a day.
Richards once called Hide up early one Sunday morning, ascertained that he still in bed, and rebuked him: “Edward, many a good man has died in bed.” (Richards would later retain Hide as first jockey, from 1969 to 1970.)
By 1954, Hide was champion apprentice, and for the next six years he was retained by the Malton trainer Captain Charles Elsey, whose string was one of the most powerful in the North; from 1961 to 1968, he would be retained by Elsey’s son, Bill.
Hide’s breakthrough season came in 1957. It started auspiciously when he won the Lincoln, traditional curtain-raiser to the Flat season, on Babur, and he rode his first winner for the Queen, Opera Score, at Newmarket. He went on to win 131 races that year, including a four-timer at Thirsk, a season record he would only exceed in 1974.
For most of the 1970s, he was freelance, but rode regularly for the Yorkshire trainer Mick Easterby, winning four top sprints on Lochnager and then the 1,000 Guineas on Mrs McArdy. His 2,500th win came in Edinburgh, in 1982, on Chrome Mag.
In the mid-1980s, he went to race in Hong Kong, where he found the ardent gambling culture a mixed blessing: “If I was recognised in a restaurant, waiters would ask for a recommendation and then bet their whole month’s wages on it. That’s a heck of a lot of pressure,” he recalled. In 1985, he rode his last British winner on Hi-Tech Leader.
He had hoped, on his retirement, to be appointed Steward’s Secretary by the Jockey Club, but – to press outrage – his application was turned down, and the role was given instead to a cavalry officer who had ridden in a few point-to-points.
The Sporting Life called it “class-conscious folly”. Instead, he acted as agent for the jockey Walter Swinburn, booking his rides; then as assistant trainer to John Gosden; then as racing manager for Lord Matthews.
Hide was frank about jockeys’ battle with weight, calling on the government to ban diuretics. “I was keeping a natural two stone off. It was never easy. And being thirsty was worse than being hungry.” He would breakfast on “a raw egg, bit of glucose, milk and a tot of sherry, beaten together with some ice”, then try to lose weight in the sauna.
His bathroom scales lived in the back of his car. Over his career, he estimated he had lost more than 312st, shedding an average of 18st between each March and November. When he was particularly etiolated, his party trick was sliding through a tennis press.
In 1961 Edward Hide married Sue Brett, with whom he bred show ponies and racehorses at their farm near Malton; they had 80 winners. She survives him, with their daughter Lizzie and their son, the Daily Telegraph travel journalist Will Hide.
Edward Hide, born April 12 1937, died September 7 2023
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2023/09/08/edward-hide-derby-jockey-morston-oaks-guineas-epsom-racing/
Edward Hide, Derby-winner who became one of the most successful jockeys in British history – obituary
He won all the Classics bar the 2,000 Guineas and was 16 times Sock o' the North, beating Lester Piggott by half a length in the 1973 Derby
Edward Hide, who has died aged 86, was one of the most successful jockeys of the modern era, winning all the Classics bar the 2,000 Guineas, and riding to triumph in the 1973 Derby on Morston, beating his great rival Lester Piggott by half a length.
He retired at the age of 49 in 1986, having ridden 2,593 winners in Britain, making him at the time the sixth most successful jockey in British history; only Gordon Richards, Lester Piggott, Doug Smith, Joe Mercer and Fred Archer had ridden more.
He was particularly dominant on the northern circuit, winning the title of Sock o’ the North no fewer than 16 times, between 1957 and 1983; he also had the bittersweet honour of being the most successful jockey never to have won the jockeys’ championship, a title which persistently eluded him.
Eddie Hide (as he was universally known in the racing world) was a supreme tactician, adept at splitting the field, and canny enough about the formbook only to book himself rides on horses he knew could win. But if he was a slippery customer on the track, the opposite was true off it; his fellow jockeys nicknamed him “Mr Clean”. It was perhaps with tongue in cheek that he called his 1989 memoir Nothing to Hide.
Hide won the 1,000 Guineas in 1972 on Waterloo, and again in 1977 on Mrs McArdy. He won the Oaks in 1967 on Pia, and the St Leger twice, first in 1959 on Cantelo, then again, as a veteran of 42, aboard Julio Mariner in 1978. But nothing compared to his victory in the 1973 Derby, which went down in Epsom mythology.
For one thing, Hide had never sat on Morston before. For another, the Derby was only the chestnut colt’s second race. Epsom’s notorious undulations, turns and awkward slope at the finish make it a nightmare for an inexperienced horse.
When Hide got to the paddock, after an arduous train and bus trip from York, Morston’s owner and trainer, Arthur Budgett, told him: “This colt must not be whipped if he can’t win.” Hide gave his snaggle-toothed smile and said: “Thanks a lot. I could have ridden five winners at Redcar today instead of this non-trier in the Derby.”
Hide was very superstitious: this was his 13th Derby; Morston was 13 on the racecard. In Budgett’s pink and grey colours, at 25-1, Hide stormed home to win by half a length in front of Lester Piggott on Cavo Doro, with Freefoot ridden by Pat Eddery in third place on the rails.
Budgett entered history as the only person in the 20th century to have bred, owned and trained two Derby winners, having won it in 1969 with Blakeney, Morston’s half-brother; for Morston, however, the Derby turned out to be a swansong; a sprained tendon on the way to the St Leger meant that he never raced again.
Edward William George Hide was born at Stanton Lacy near Ludlow on April 12 1937. His father was the trainer Bill Hide, who took on his 13-year old son as an apprentice, and gave him his first race at Birmingham in August 1950; unfortunately, young Edward – who was 4ft 6in, and weighed just over four stone – came last. Undeterred, Hide had his first winner, on Ritornello, at Chepstow in 1951.
Aged 16, in 1953, he fulfilled his childhood dream of riding against, and beating, his hero, Gordon Richards, whom he revered not just as “a fellow Shropshire lad”, but because no rider was ever able to match Richards’s consistent 200 wins per season, even after air travel made it possible for jockeys to ride two meetings a day.
Richards once called Hide up early one Sunday morning, ascertained that he still in bed, and rebuked him: “Edward, many a good man has died in bed.” (Richards would later retain Hide as first jockey, from 1969 to 1970.)
By 1954, Hide was champion apprentice, and for the next six years he was retained by the Malton trainer Captain Charles Elsey, whose string was one of the most powerful in the North; from 1961 to 1968, he would be retained by Elsey’s son, Bill.
Hide’s breakthrough season came in 1957. It started auspiciously when he won the Lincoln, traditional curtain-raiser to the Flat season, on Babur, and he rode his first winner for the Queen, Opera Score, at Newmarket. He went on to win 131 races that year, including a four-timer at Thirsk, a season record he would only exceed in 1974.
For most of the 1970s, he was freelance, but rode regularly for the Yorkshire trainer Mick Easterby, winning four top sprints on Lochnager and then the 1,000 Guineas on Mrs McArdy. His 2,500th win came in Edinburgh, in 1982, on Chrome Mag.
In the mid-1980s, he went to race in Hong Kong, where he found the ardent gambling culture a mixed blessing: “If I was recognised in a restaurant, waiters would ask for a recommendation and then bet their whole month’s wages on it. That’s a heck of a lot of pressure,” he recalled. In 1985, he rode his last British winner on Hi-Tech Leader.
He had hoped, on his retirement, to be appointed Steward’s Secretary by the Jockey Club, but – to press outrage – his application was turned down, and the role was given instead to a cavalry officer who had ridden in a few point-to-points.
The Sporting Life called it “class-conscious folly”. Instead, he acted as agent for the jockey Walter Swinburn, booking his rides; then as assistant trainer to John Gosden; then as racing manager for Lord Matthews.
Hide was frank about jockeys’ battle with weight, calling on the government to ban diuretics. “I was keeping a natural two stone off. It was never easy. And being thirsty was worse than being hungry.” He would breakfast on “a raw egg, bit of glucose, milk and a tot of sherry, beaten together with some ice”, then try to lose weight in the sauna.
His bathroom scales lived in the back of his car. Over his career, he estimated he had lost more than 312st, shedding an average of 18st between each March and November. When he was particularly etiolated, his party trick was sliding through a tennis press.
In 1961 Edward Hide married Sue Brett, with whom he bred show ponies and racehorses at their farm near Malton; they had 80 winners. She survives him, with their daughter Lizzie and their son, the Daily Telegraph travel journalist Will Hide.
Edward Hide, born April 12 1937, died September 7 2023
The 1973 Derby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_rfEc68C1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_rfEc68C1Q
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