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'He had one price and we had another' - No Frankie Dettori at Listowel races after disagreement over fee
Frankie Dettori will bring his illustrious career in the saddle to an end later this year. Photo by Harry Murphy/Sportsfile
Frankie Dettori will bring his illustrious career in the saddle to an end later this year. Photo by Harry Murphy/Sportsfile
Today at 12:39
Frankie Dettori will not ride at this year's Listowel Harvest Festival after both sides were unable to agree a fee for his much-touted visit to the Kerry track.
Dettori will hang up his saddle at the end of this year as he brings the curtain down on his record-breaking career and Listowel was set to be a high-profile stop on his farewell tour.
The flamboyant Italian rider had been slated to appear at the Kingdom track last year before suspension ruled him out and both sides have been unable to come to an agreement this time around.
Ahead of the week-long festival from September 17-23, former Listowel chairman Pat Healy revealed that they were regrettably unable to secure the services of the legendary 52-year-old.
"We’re less than two weeks away from the seven-day Harvest Festival and I’m afraid we’ll have no Frankie Dettori in Listowel this year," Healy said in his **** column.
"It’s unfortunate, but if I’m to be honest, Frankie had one price and we had another price which we agreed last year.
"Of course, last year he got suspended after riding in Germany and couldn’t come, but he promised that he’d come this year.
"Unfortunately, we couldn’t meet in the middle, so that’s why Frankie won’t be coming to Listowel. We'll plough on and hope to have a bigger and better Harvest Festival than ever.
"Bookings have been strong, and I have to give a huge thank you to our sponsors, as we once again have a sponsor in every race over the week, as well as our loyal supporters who return year after year."
Frankie Dettori will bring his illustrious career in the saddle to an end later this year. Photo by Harry Murphy/Sportsfile
Frankie Dettori will bring his illustrious career in the saddle to an end later this year. Photo by Harry Murphy/Sportsfile
Today at 12:39
Frankie Dettori will not ride at this year's Listowel Harvest Festival after both sides were unable to agree a fee for his much-touted visit to the Kerry track.
Dettori will hang up his saddle at the end of this year as he brings the curtain down on his record-breaking career and Listowel was set to be a high-profile stop on his farewell tour.
The flamboyant Italian rider had been slated to appear at the Kingdom track last year before suspension ruled him out and both sides have been unable to come to an agreement this time around.
Ahead of the week-long festival from September 17-23, former Listowel chairman Pat Healy revealed that they were regrettably unable to secure the services of the legendary 52-year-old.
"We’re less than two weeks away from the seven-day Harvest Festival and I’m afraid we’ll have no Frankie Dettori in Listowel this year," Healy said in his **** column.
"It’s unfortunate, but if I’m to be honest, Frankie had one price and we had another price which we agreed last year.
"Of course, last year he got suspended after riding in Germany and couldn’t come, but he promised that he’d come this year.
"Unfortunately, we couldn’t meet in the middle, so that’s why Frankie won’t be coming to Listowel. We'll plough on and hope to have a bigger and better Harvest Festival than ever.
"Bookings have been strong, and I have to give a huge thank you to our sponsors, as we once again have a sponsor in every race over the week, as well as our loyal supporters who return year after year."
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He will fall into depression when he retires imo….circus ends with no one to see him,and he won’t last in London…tbf..
Seems like they offered the same money as had been agreed for 2022. A stupid insult imo. An "A" lister would want good money to turn up at Listowel.
I remember one of the radio commentators talking about Dettori's nasty side - something you would never hear mentioned when he's riding on mainstream tv.
I can imagine it a few riders don’t like the guy…
How much would Messi want paying to turn out for Shamrock Rovers?
Just tell them to F off ffs….most of the punting crowd don’t like the circus
Jeez - he's been, by a very long way, the public face of horse racing for nearly 40 years.
Horrible phrase, but he is literally 'box office'. A prime product.
Boosts attendances wherever he goes and therefore you have to pay for what you get.
I haven't been to one of his farewells, but presumably he has to do a lot of public work, when not on a horse, on racedays.
Horrible phrase, but he is literally 'box office'. A prime product.
Boosts attendances wherever he goes and therefore you have to pay for what you get.
I haven't been to one of his farewells, but presumably he has to do a lot of public work, when not on a horse, on racedays.
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He will fall into depression when he retires imo…
easy for people that are always sh1te
formoftheace06 Sep 23 13:04Joined: 17 Apr 12 | Topic/replies: 9,701 | Blogger: formoftheace's blog
He will fall into depression when he retires imo…
easy for people that are always sh1te
I think that it's a case of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. He could have given a lot back by allowing little kids (and not so little kids) to see him in the flesh. Does he really need the extra money?
Does he really need the extra money ? No but the Irish guy wanted him on the cheap and now goes public so that dumb @sses like plenty on this forum who obviously would go anywhere at any price because they are such lovely people can have a crack at him.
Sep 6, 2023 -- 2:22PM, stewarts rise wrote:
How much would Messi want paying to turn out for Shamrock Rovers?
Myself and Workrider would have a chat with him first
bolloz, since when do jokeys get appearance money?
sooner the cheeky twerp stops the better
sooner the cheeky twerp stops the better
Quixall Crossett ran at Haydock because his trainer received appearance money for him!!!
Sep 6, 2023 -- 2:41PM, Poppydog. wrote:
Jeez - he's been, by a very long way, the public face of horse racing for nearly 40 years. Horrible phrase, but he is literally 'box office'. A prime product.
I was under the impression he was going to visit for free after some Irish football game can’t remember the full story.
Poor from frankie
Poor from frankie
Riding @Down Royal Friday.
Wonder of they gave him a fee?
Wonder of they gave him a fee?
Can anyone name the 5 Irish tracks he has ridden at ?
Multi millionaire - and he wants an appearance fee !!!!
Words fail me.
Words fail me.
You would do everything for free if you were a billionaire would you ? Because if you would you are an idiot but i'm kicking myself for being surprised at so many stupid/nasty comments on this thread.
Dettori been riding a long while now.
Did he ride Phoenix Park?
Might've shut before his time though.
Did he ride Phoenix Park?
Might've shut before his time though.
Nice Q Jimnast. I am certain on 4, those being Leopardstown, the Curragh, Killarney, and Bellewstown for the Barney Curley race. Would take an educated punt at Phoenix Park as the 5th course. Surely rode there before it closed.
i will stick me neck out and say the curragh is one
bellewstown
leopardstown
fairyhouse
navan
bellewstown
leopardstown
fairyhouse
navan
Phoenix park on the right lines but wrong
Mitolo surprisingly not navan which is a great racecourse if anybody gets a chance to visit.
Mitolo surprisingly not navan which is a great racecourse if anybody gets a chance to visit.
I don't think Howie has had his meds this afternoon.
Perhaps Matron is running a bit late.
Perhaps Matron is running a bit late.
I was at bellewstown when he rode he was great that day mixing everywhere but disappointed on this listowel business.
Dettori returns to Kerry for four rides at Killarney Festival
Next week though Dettori will return to The Kingdom, 21 years after making an appearance at the now defunct Tralee track.
On that occasion he had three rides in front of a near 6,000-strong crowd, winning on the last of them, Allotrope, from which he obligingly performed his famed flying dismount.
Tralee as well, according this article.
On that occasion he had three rides in front of a near 6,000-strong crowd, winning on the last of them, Allotrope, from which he obligingly performed his famed flying dismount.
Tralee as well, according this article.
Of course, the Dettori fan club don't want to consider other views
Presumably it's the stuff that agents get into rather than FD himself. And they will be on a %.
You could argue it either way, but poor form putting it in the public domain.
You could argue it either way, but poor form putting it in the public domain.
Had forgotten about that day in Tralee. Almost certain to have been a Sheikh Mo horse for Mr Oxx.
How much down royal paying him for going there this Friday
No doubt Richard Pugh will have made sure he's booked to commentate on the day so he can dazzle everyone with his knowledge of Dettori throughout each race, all without taking a breath.
Can't wait for him to retire. Sick of all the sycophantic commentators mentioning his name constantly in every race he rides in.
Just to be able to put it into perspective anyone know the figures involved.? a nice compromise might have been for dettori to accept the lower amount but insist on a charity donation for the extra,listowel might not have agreed but it would have been far better p.r. for him
Fall apart without the camera loves walking in wearing shades and the media zoom ffs….all the past top men hated it,you know the ones
Listowel will still be racing long after Frankie is gone
I understand Dettori is a likeable person and jockey. Why is his retirement such a big thing? He's done his stink, and been rewarded well from it.
Does anyone really give a hoot whether Dettori is at Listowel (apparently too expensive), Windsor or Newmarket? Personally no; I like the sport he's in, but an accolade or celerity status? Not from me. I'd give more credence and appreciation to those who've their life time nursing and caring for the young, sick and elderly.
Is Dettori a Piggott, Eddery or Carson? To me no.
Happy Retirement Dettori!
Does anyone really give a hoot whether Dettori is at Listowel (apparently too expensive), Windsor or Newmarket? Personally no; I like the sport he's in, but an accolade or celerity status? Not from me. I'd give more credence and appreciation to those who've their life time nursing and caring for the young, sick and elderly.
Is Dettori a Piggott, Eddery or Carson? To me no.
Happy Retirement Dettori!
Sep 6, 2023 -- 5:33PM, monarch wrote:
Had forgotten about that day in Tralee. Almost certain to have been a Sheikh Mo horse for Mr Oxx.
Bullseye!
https://www.racingpost.com/results/199/tralee/1998-08-24/256403
Penzance asks Did he ride Phoenix Park?"
Yes in a Group 1 on the fave for Luca and Sheikh Mo
https://www.racingpost.com/results/194/phoenix-park/1990-08-12/101402
Yes in a Group 1 on the fave for Luca and Sheikh Mo
https://www.racingpost.com/results/194/phoenix-park/1990-08-12/101402
Frankie has crossed into the mainstream, impossible. How many modern day jockeys can lay claim that? Most people in Britain could look at his picture and tell you whom it is. RB perhaps comparable. He would put hundreds, if not thousands on the gate. Just by him appearing.
The impact he has is not debatable. Sure, it could be tedious and seem indulgent for us who watch racing on a daily basis.
The impact he has is not debatable. Sure, it could be tedious and seem indulgent for us who watch racing on a daily basis.
He is a greedy little man, Can't believe the way the media treat him, you would think he was an icon of the sport. Never mention his suspensions for drug abuse his failing to ride out on hundreds of rides if he can't win, hovering up all the high value races, while other Jockeys travel the country working 7 days a week, Jocking off Havlin on all off Gosdens classy horses. Bet the weighing room will be glad to see the back of him. My Guess he's so greed he won't retire if he can go on earning millions.
Already got his eye on media work, I wonder who should be getting worried about being jocked off?
Shoo in for 2024 Strictly - if they meet his fee demands.
He is undoubtedly an icon of the sport. Whether that is deserved, is down to personal opinion I suppose. There are not too many perfect people about. I am not amongst them.
For me, auctioning off the trophies and effects that he had been awarded and had no interest in was much more questionable than this story. There is something disingenuous about smiling for award pics and then auctioning the award pieces off to the highest bidder. When you are in the super wealthy bracket.
^^Indeed. Imagine your trophy was one amongst the trophies he auctioned off? Was it for charity or self-pocket?
When it comes to demanding appearance money and jocking off lesser riders, Lester Piggott (whom many of us idolize) quite rightly set the bar, so who are we to criticise Frankie? Great sportsman get paid according to the pleasure they give their audience and whether or not you enjoy Frankie's antics, he puts bums on seats, which, pardon the pun, is the bottom line.
It is ironic that Frankie's first ride ay Down Royal tonight is called No Thanks.
"For me, auctioning off the trophies and effects that he had been awarded and had no interest in was much more questionable than this story. There is something disingenuous about smiling for award pics and then auctioning the award pieces off to the highest bidder. When you are in the super wealthy bracket". Cider have you ever been married to a woman that tells you to earn money but throw away junk ? It's not always what the bloke wants. Georgebaker , all the other jocks would be much nicer people ?
The game has been kind to Dettori. As such, an appearance fee is not the right thank-you for the sport. I'd pay his expenses but not an appearance fee.
Has any jock ever openly had a go at him? it feels like many jocks dislike him and his ways but keep it under wraps as he is the darling of those embedded on the racing gravy train and therefore there would be too much backlash if they had a pop.
True driver2. This forum is full of useless nobodies whose pleasure it is to take a knock at talented and wealthy people.
impossible123 08 Sep 23 15:31
The game has been kind to Dettori. As such, an appearance fee is not the right thank-you for the sport. I'd pay his expenses but not an appearance fee.
Do you have the receipt Frankie ffs
The game has been kind to Dettori. As such, an appearance fee is not the right thank-you for the sport. I'd pay his expenses but not an appearance fee.
Do you have the receipt Frankie ffs
howard 08 Sep 23 15:35
True driver2. This forum is full of useless nobodies whose pleasure it is to take a knock at talented and wealthy people.
Harsh !
True driver2. This forum is full of useless nobodies whose pleasure it is to take a knock at talented and wealthy people.
Harsh !
Cardinal Scott -- "Has any jock ever openly had a go at him? it feels like many jocks dislike him and his ways but keep it under wraps as he is the darling of those embedded on the racing gravy train and therefore there would be too much backlash if they had a pop."
Has any jockey ever openly had a go at another one? Key word being openly, rather than heat of the moment, behind closed doors.
That is why the Robbie Dunne/Bryony Frost stramash was such big news.
Has any jockey ever openly had a go at another one? Key word being openly, rather than heat of the moment, behind closed doors.
That is why the Robbie Dunne/Bryony Frost stramash was such big news.
And has the music business been kind to Stones , AC/DC etc. Seen them turning up for expenses ?
The tracks must be offering the appearance fee, rather than FD's team asking for it. It takes time, effort and money to attend a meeting abroad which you wouldn't ordinarily be riding at. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. The tracks are going to make a bundle out of it as well. It's poor form to go public with private conversations in my view.
Correct Cider. The Irish guy shouldn't say anything but now he has perhaps he can tell us what was offered AND how much extra gate money was likely to be made. Thought not.
So he'd agreed last year to appear for £x but he got suspended .This year it seems be wanted £y which was bigger than £x.
As it was his own fault that he didn't make 2022, why won't he honour the 2022 price?
Racing made him -surely not too much to ask to give something back?
As it was his own fault that he didn't make 2022, why won't he honour the 2022 price?
Racing made him -surely not too much to ask to give something back?
Dettori is a greedy little so and so by nature. Enough is to little for him.Milk the cow to the end.Glad to see the back of people like him and the circus around him.
Indeed! I'd not touch him if I was the governor of an Irish track. I think to ask for more money because one is retiring is not gentlemanly, and correct; a different matter if for a cause eg an illness or a charity.
Racing made him a Superstar and Multi Millionaire he should not be charging a bean.In fact he should give all his appearance money to charideee.
Auctioning some of his trophies for personal gain (unless for a charitable cause or destitution) is never on for me. I think it shows a degree of elitism and lack of appreciation. Personally, I do find it abhorrent; Dettori is only a sport personality not anyone of importance eg a medic dispensing free services restoring sight, prosthetic limbs, etc to the poor, sick, young and elderly.
Wtf are you spouting about impossible? Never mind being a medic, a charity event that Frankie and Willie Mullins took part in last year raised 100,000 pounds which went directly to DAFA and was used to build a hospital in Africa. Barney Curley raised millions for his charity and Frankie has become involved with DAFA before and since Barney's death. Do your homework before you insult these people. And yes some of the proceeds from "the greedy little man" went to the charity!
The "greedy little man"can and should give millions to DAFA without blinking.
Never forget the night in Prague with Tredders(rip)Dettori turned up well you can guess the rest.
Nope, I couldn't begin to guess, I don't know what you're talking about
I find it distasteful not going to a track to ride in the past but willingly turning up on his retirement year, and charging an appearance fee. Another distasteful and disrespectful behaviour of Dettori was to auction some of the trophies gained from his profession for personal gain, and not to a good cause of charity; I'd be offended if one of the trophies auctioned had come from my establishment.
I firmly believe Dettori ought to have followed his previous charitable deeds in his retirement year; Dettori is who he's because of horseracing, period!
I firmly believe Dettori ought to have followed his previous charitable deeds in his retirement year; Dettori is who he's because of horseracing, period!
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