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By:
ribero1
When: 04 Sep 23 15:03
A bit before my time but I was very keen and used to get all the sporting annuals and in some racing was covered pretty well and St paddy was just about the first horse I read about.
By:
ged
When: 04 Sep 23 16:52
St Paddy didn't run in the Arc. He beat High Hat in the Jockey Club Stakes easily a week before. The horse in 5th might have been Match III. The other 2 English horses in the race, Just Great (Piggott) and Tenacity (Breasley) finished 10th and 18th. St Paddy had one more run as a 4yo, and was disappointing in the Champion Stakes.
By:
ged
When: 04 Sep 23 18:43
Yes, it was Match in 5th. (The suffix varies, depending on when and where the horse is referenced).

Here's a link to a Sports Illustrated article written after the race, which includes a description of the race, and lists the first 5 finishers. It's very american, as you'd expect, and the in-running doesn't tally up that well with what actually happened.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1961/10/16/europes-horse-of-the-year
By:
ged
When: 04 Sep 23 18:46
Match came over and won the KG&QE the following year. Right Royal beat him into 2nd in both the Lupin and French Derby as a 3yo.
By:
DrGordons
When: 04 Sep 23 18:58
St Pauli girl second in the Guineas, second in the Oaks, second at Royal Ascot. Beautiful chestnut filly. Watched her win at Epsom from Tattenham hill in August. Worth the drive.
By:
Smoky Hill
When: 04 Sep 23 19:16
Great that you saw St. Pauli Girl, I remember her, flashy chestnut as you say. I so wanted her to win the Oaks.

ged.. interesting article. Very observant of a French official, still rings true today.
"When the Russians figure they can win the Arc they'll invite themselves," which is the way they operate.

I remember Match, or Match III as I remember him.  Much made in the article of Kelso, the great American horse, but Match did beat him in the Washington Intl.

That was one great Arc in '61 and it's often overlooked.

I wasn't sure about St. Paddy but thinking back now, I'm not sure Noel Murless ever had a runner in the race. I can't recall any.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 04 Sep 23 19:24
ON YT you can view The Queen visiting Stockton racecourse, though no racing took place that day I don't think.
By:
ged
When: 05 Sep 23 09:58
Murless did run Aunt Edith in the Arc, but I'm not sure he had any others. She went off fav in 1966, but finished 8th. The ground was very bad that year. He also had the american horse Hill Rise entered in the race that year until a couple of days before, but took him out because of the ground. The owner wasn't pleased, as he had travelled to Paris to see him run, and had sent him to Murless that year (as a 5yo) with the main aim of running in the race.

Busted was due to run in the race in 1967, but injured himself on the gallops not long before. Hopeful Venture was expected to run in 1968, but disappointed in his prep race in the Prix Foy (then the Prix Henri Foy).

The Russians did have a runner in the Arc, but they picked a bad year. They had Anilin in Sea-Bird's year. He actually ran well, and made much of the running, probably at too fast a pace, but still finished 5th, I think.
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 05 Sep 23 10:25
Busted won the Prix Foy, an Arc trial very easily and may have won the big one but for injury.
By:
driver2
When: 05 Sep 23 11:54
Ged, Hopeful Venture won the Prix Foy but was subsequently disqualified by the frogs. I believe that the Queen didn't want him to return to Longchamp as she was understandably furious. So was I, I had 40 quid on it.
By:
Brian
When: 05 Sep 23 12:15
So many from the 60s. One that spring straight into mind are Nicholas Silver, Freddie, Arkle, Mill House, Snowdra Queen, Baulking Green, Saucy Kit, Persian War, Major Rose, Santa Claus, Hethersett, Larkspur, Boismoss, ......
By:
sparrow
When: 05 Sep 23 12:20
Remember all of those Brian but so many more we could mention too.
By:
sparrow
When: 05 Sep 23 12:23
I've still not recovered from the 1965 Derby when I had backed I Say at 33/1 and taking a couple of lengths lead only to see Sea Bird come cantering up behind and run away with the race.Sad
By:
sparrow
When: 05 Sep 23 12:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bar1ssbSmeI
By:
Hayden
When: 05 Sep 23 12:28
Always admired your memory sparrow as a different level to mine but glad i've not got your recovery rate , 58 years is a long time  Grin
By:
driver2
When: 05 Sep 23 12:28
I had a similar experience in 1968, I backed Connaught, but then along came the great Sir Ivor
By:
sparrow
When: 05 Sep 23 12:30
Hayden, Ask me about more recent races and I find I have completely forgotten.Grin
By:
sparrow
When: 05 Sep 23 12:31
Sea Bird for me was the greatest I have seen.
By:
ged
When: 05 Sep 23 13:13
@driver2 - that was the Prix Henry Delamarre the year before, when he was a 3yo. He beat In Command (Harvey Leader/Brian Taylor) 3/4 length with the rest 5 lengths back, but had interfered badly with his rival half way up the straight. The French behaved honorably and didn't sound the klaxon (it was the Queen's first runner in France), and the horse got a great reception, but then Brian Taylor objected and got the race.

In the Foy, he went off 2nd fav, but finished last of 9. He wasn't the same horse that he'd been in the Grand Prix de St Cloud, where he'd beaten Vaguely Noble.
By:
driver2
When: 05 Sep 23 14:08
Thanks ged, I stand corrected.
By:
happysandwich
When: 05 Sep 23 14:28
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Sea Bird for me was the greatest I have seen.

You would with an handle like yours.Laugh
By:
Smoky Hill
When: 05 Sep 23 14:32
I remember all our horses Brian but would struggle to associate Boismoss with anything, but the name does ring a bell.  Good call that one I think.  Remember old Sempervivum? I used to follow him.

Yes Anilin the great Russian campaigner, ran some good races, all over the place.  They also sent over Reljef and Griffel for the Grand National, neither got very far though.  I wanted them to do well.

Thanks for info on Murless's runners, I didn't know that.
By:
Hayden
When: 05 Sep 23 14:38
Vague recollection of Boismoss in the Cesarewitch and maybe Ernie Johnson riding ?

Pure back of head memory though and could be a mile out.

Ged ?
By:
driver2
When: 05 Sep 23 15:12
https://mickeasterby.co.uk/racehorsedetails.cfm?racehorse_id=1282
By:
driver2
When: 05 Sep 23 15:25
I should have mentioned, the previous post relates to Boismoss
By:
Hayden
When: 05 Sep 23 15:32
Cheers driver   Happy
By:
ged
When: 05 Sep 23 15:55
But for Boismoss, Ryan Price would have won the Cesarewitch 4 times with his first 4 runners in the race. He'd already won it in 1963 with Utrillo, and 1966 with Persian Lancer (an 8yo who hadn't won for 4 years). In 1967, he told everyone beforehand that he would win it again with Major Rose, provided he could beat Boismoss. It turned out he couldn't. Major Rose had 8-0, Boismoss 7-3, down to 7-0 with Johnson's claim. Major Rose was 2nd, but won it in 1968 with 9-4. Major Rose had been with George Todd to start with, but the owner got fed up with the horse not being off, and took him away, sending him first to Keith Piggott, and then to Price. Todd liked to spend years getting to know his horses thoroughly before landing gambles with them.
By:
sparrow
When: 05 Sep 23 16:01
Ryan Price will always be remembered for that era and who could forget Hill House and Rosyth.
By:
Sica Dan
When: 05 Sep 23 21:28
Taj Dewan being short-headed by Royal Palace, the French insisted they were robbed
By:
kevo
When: 05 Sep 23 22:04
Antiar, Makaldar and Frenchman's Cove.
By:
lockup
When: 05 Sep 23 22:52
Prince De Galle's winning the Cambridgeshire back to back one of my first ever winning bets.
By:
driver2
When: 06 Sep 23 00:25
You forgot Le Vermontois sparrow, it absolutely bolted up in the 1966 Schweppes
By:
Brian
When: 06 Sep 23 13:54
I remember Boismoss for purely mercenary reasons as I backed it to win the Cesarwitch on the day of my cousin's wedding and , inspired by a few beers, shared my optimism so I was quite popular for a few hours Grin.

Major Rose was also a favourite of mine but didn't do the forecast! If I recall corectly Major Rose went on to be owned by Des O'Connor!
By:
.Marksman.
When: 06 Sep 23 16:16
Very early memory of horse racing in the media:
Occasionally the Chester Chronicle had colour pics on the front page.  They had one after Major Rose won the Chester Cup.  I had yet to visit a racecourse, and what impressed me was the way the horses were strung out like washing almost to the home turn.  Though the camera angle probably added to this impression.
(I'd long forgotten this until I saw the name Major Rose on this thread.)
By:
ribero1
When: 06 Sep 23 16:26
Wasn't Major Rose owned by Ken Wheldon? seem to think he was a colourful character who was football club chairman?
By:
ged
When: 06 Sep 23 16:52
Bob Heaton owned Major Rose until he was sold at the Doncaster sales in 1969, for 16,000gns, when the horse was 7. Ken Wheldon then owned him until he was sold 2 years later at the same sales for 3,000gns to Des O'Connor. He then ran in the Doncaster Cup for O'Connor, but wasn't in the first 3 of 5, to Rock Roi. I'm not sure he ran again.
By:
Brian
When: 06 Sep 23 17:24
After Des O'Connor sold him , he was owned by a partnership. He went, as a 12-y-o I think, to Catterick for a moderate flat race (first for the partnership) but threw his jockey and was withdrawn. A previous owner (which could have been Bob Heaton) was so dismayed to see this great horse at this level, he paid the partnership what they had spent him on to presumably let him retire gracefully.
By:
Brian
When: 06 Sep 23 17:24
After Des O'Connor sold him , he was owned by a partnership. He went, as a 12-y-o I think, to Catterick for a moderate flat race (first for the partnership) but threw his jockey and was withdrawn. A previous owner (which could have been Bob Heaton) was so dismayed to see this great horse at this level, he paid the partnership what they had spent him on to presumably let him retire gracefully.
By:
Brian
When: 06 Sep 23 17:24
After Des O'Connor sold him , he was owned by a partnership. He went, as a 12-y-o I think, to Catterick for a moderate flat race (first for the partnership) but threw his jockey and was withdrawn. A previous owner (which could have been Bob Heaton) was so dismayed to see this great horse at this level, he paid the partnership what they had spent him on to presumably let him retire gracefully.
By:
ged
When: 06 Sep 23 17:51
Yes, I didn't look hard enough. He did run in the Champion Hurdle trial at Wolverhampton as a 10yo for O'Connor, who had him with Denis Rayson. He finished 3rd in that to Coral Diver, but didn't have much behind him. He then seems to deteriorate fairly quickly, and appears for Steve Nesbitt, in the ownership of a Mr B Johnson - he did manage a 2nd of 7 in an ordinary Beverley handicap over 2 miles at 25/1, in July '72.
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