the woke mafia now gunning for luis rubiales

People seem to lose their sense of perspective. I am certainly unclear of how the “victim” really feels about the President’s display of euphoria.

Maybe she felt under pressure to initially pass it off as unimportant but equally she may have succumbed to the demands of the sisterhood to conform and pile on.

A powerful man is firmly in the sights of the outraged and he is there to be taken down.  He must lose his job and even an apology I sense would not be entertained.

Without doubt there are men who deserve the full wrath of the feminist movement but I do wonder if sometimes they unleash their venom on the wrong targets and in doing so the more serious cases get lost in the mist.

All this is happening in a country where two young girls have been gang raped in the last couple of weeks and surely those victims are more deserving of mass support and powerful statements from the lionesses and other sporting stars.

People seem to lose their sense of perspective. I am certainly unclear of how the “victim” really feels about the President’s display of euphoria.

Maybe she felt under pressure to initially pass it off as unimportant but equally she may have succumbed to the demands of the sisterhood to conform and pile on.

A powerful man is firmly in the sights of the outraged and he is there to be taken down.  He must lose his job and even an apology I sense would not be entertained.

Without doubt there are men who deserve the full wrath of the feminist movement but I do wonder if sometimes they unleash their venom on the wrong targets and in doing so the more serious cases get lost in the mist.

All this is happening in a country where two young girls have been gang raped in the last couple of weeks and surely those victims are more deserving of mass support and powerful statements from the lionesses and other sporting stars.

They have the platform to keep it in the spotlight those poor  young girls don't.

Just been watching Sky Sports and the discussion is all about keeping the presenters in the spot light to keep the shifts coming thick and fast.

Worse things happen in real life that just get lost in the woke bull sh ite,and will carry on happening until changes are made by people with power to change the way we live  our lives....

Without wishing to condone any action it seems strange that he has garnered more column inches than you would expect for a mass murderer.

He should have just resigned instead of this drawn out ridiculous saga, will end the same way.

Meanwhile we have what appears to some sort of Anal Sex Fantasy  going on at CARNIVAL ,in full view of Little Kids ,Not a word from the Main Media ,Beyond belief TBH

more column inches than you would expect for a mass murderer

Certainly a lot more than the Gangs of Grooming Rapists that were roaming the streets of the UK rounding up of thousands of young White Girls ..

Aug 29, 2023 -- 1:17AM, casemoney wrote:

more column inches than you would expect for a mass murdererCertainly a lot more than the Gangs of Grooming Rapists that were roaming the streets of the UK rounding up of thousands of young White Girls ..

Unfortunately we're seeing a lot of this stuff here in Ireland now, Asian males being caught feeling up kids on buses and trains, or kids being approached in parks in broad daylight and having to be chased away. Luckily people are recording these instances on phones as the mainstream media aren't reporting them.

Watched by billions on live TV, just last September....and the reaction was.............she was sought out and given interview with the BBC so that she could be 'allowed to express her joy' at what she had just done.

Short memories etc etc. No sign of the men haters here.

Double standards abound these days.

I’ll say it before any of the screaming pitchfork wielders do; that is slightly different in that Charles is clearly giving consent.

But the point here that went unmentioned was that the kiss approach wasn’t started by Charles, she was using the situation to take advantage by emotional manipulation.

Ordinarily you can’t even touch the Monarch, let alone lock lips ffs, she’d have probably been dragged over the barricade in ‘normal’ times

But this is partly the point, the woman will attest to the act as non sexual. Just because a person instigates a lip kiss it doesn’t mean it’s sexual violence.

In Rubiales’ defence he clearly showed exuberance in the other actions he made, and where he made the mistake was to overdo his congratulatory response to being picked up by the player.

not sure Charles was given opportunity to consent or not - it's definitely a double standard - still the football manager should know the boundaries by now - the only question is degree of punishment - one assumes it's not quite a hanging offence - but one might wonder nowadays

The Spanish bloke should be promoted to President of FIFA for refusing to give in to this misandry.

If it was just this incident than it is over reaction but he has a long history of similar behaviour including police investigations so he is not suitable for the job.

No he doesnt sage. He has a history of allegations of corruption, totally different.

Mts T is reminding me about an incident on American Idol(no, I dont watch it) involving Kate Perry who kissed a contestant on the lips without his consent, when he was asked if he would have let her kiss him had she asked, he replied NO!

Nothing said, no accusations of sexual assault or the like, these double standards stink.

Two wrongs do not make a right. But I agree there are double if not treble standards in this hypocritical world. Some news reports, including the BBC list several other accusations of sexual assault.

I googled 'Katy Perry kissed a teenager without his consent' tiger. Lot of discussion about it tbf, but there were no demands that her career be ended.

Exactly my point saddo.

Men hating lesbians, ott feminists, misandrist men haters...all two faced bigots.

The issue with Rubiales which is particularly distasteful is that they are calling the kiss alone sexual violence.
Whether the mood music of his other actions or the tickle tackle surrounding what he may or may not have done are inconsequential to the kiss.

They are purposefully conflating two issues, one which highlights machismo and the perfectly reasonable issue of women not wanting to feel threatened (though this case looks like it’s being stirred up for ideological reason by people who simply want equal pay as the end game) and the other where predatory men rape and kill women.

Whatever happens in this case, he isn’t a predator and no matter what is said or done women will still get raped and murdered because they have always be odious crimes yet still happened anyway.

*been odious crimes

The world moves on. I am old enough to remember opposition to speed limits on roads and seat belts, restrictions on smoking, unrestricted fox hunting, badger baiting, whip use in horse racing etc. but most have been restricted or banned in UK and you have to adjust. On the other hand we can now buy alcohol or bet on a horse 24 hours a day. Women make up a majority of the human race and they are only now realising that they have a political voice-unless they live in an Islamic country.

Not sure how much longer you will have the freedom to bet on anything how you may have wished…which is another example of state interference forcing compliance.

The amusing part of the Rubiales case are the virtue signalling males. Ok plenty will believe there is a case here…but none I have seen have made any gestures of sacrificing their pay.
Professional male football fees and salaries can only come down to meet the raising female pay, it’s unsustainable as it is.

watching the world athletics i heard no one commenting on how it was a black bias panel on day after day.not like the royal balcony

its all one way.

Sage

It’s interesting the comparison you make and the rate of change occurring now.
I’m not sure the smoking one is really ‘yours’ in the sense it’s post millennial but that’s splitting hairs
Fox hunting ban affected barely anyone did it? As for seat belts, fewer cars and again was it really impactful (hoho)?

Look today
Forced lockdown
Forced acceptance of gender/gay/trans
Semi forced jabs
Kneeling over racial issues and the judging of those who refuse
Imposed driving area restriction/ and/or type of car you must choose
The larger global warming argument and humanity’s part in it
These developing gambling restrictions
The rising question of meat eating

And they are just over recent years.

Add masks and multiculturalism and non allowance of religion criticism

That is the change that I am referring to. It has always happened and probably always will leaving those of us over 60 (or less) yearning to turn back the clock but we can't so we must accept the new reality. Covid restrictions were due partly to ignorance of a novel disease and partly to the public demand to remove all risk from our lives. Would you prefer Spanish Flu which was allowed to run its course and killed millions or removing the vote from women? As an ex farmer, I well remember mad cow disease that "experts" confidently predicted would kill many tens of thousands if not millions of people. It didn't but all manner of permanent legal changes were made just in case and remain to this day.

It's absolutely not the same. This agenda has infected education for twenty years. It has never been the case since modernity (in the English speaking 'west' anyway) that there is only one permitted view, and if you don't confirm, you are an evil, far right conspiracy theorist.

The result is that you know have decision makers who have gone through this conditioning.

At no point, at any point at all, was there any evidence that covid was a legitimate threat to young, healthy people. But young healthy people were manipulating into batting for the fascists ruining their lives. Quite unbelievable, in a 'free' western country. Can you imagine all the pain and suffering people went through to defend those freedoms. And now they are just going to be handed away.

Yes, mad cow disease, and foot and mouth to an extent, again lumped in.

To a certain degree natural events get given a green light, but covid was more than that it was the forced transmission of a new medical approach.
What I’m really asking I guess is of all the cultural changes and suspected scientific ones, if they were as important as they suggest how come they all had to be forced on us within 1 generation?
Pretty long odds to say they all became important at the same time.

It strikes me a growing trend, I was never a ‘conspiracist’, but it’s not clear the damage of covid jabs and when I see irrational arguments like those comparing women applauding Rubiales’ statement to be ‘disappointing and akin to those refusing to kneel’ I start to wonder about the whole thing

And ofc this gambling bollox where the regulator, supposed to be knowledgable claims to help stop people lose they will discount their wins

What a phooking shower

The same people moaning about not getting on the housing ladder would be stating that the boat people are all genuine, and should get free housing and free everything. Because.

You can't logically argue with these people. It's well worn, but woke is to all intents and purposes, a religion. That means that you can't use sense and logic to defeat it. It's an ingrained belief structure, to be defended to the death. The woke mob have determined that Rubiales is evil, a modern day witch, and needs to be ended. And he will be.

Hard to decide what is more laughable, the non conspiracy theorists who spout more conspiracy theories on here than you could shake a stick at or Gaze and his grails!!

100% agree there cider, you cannot reason or argue with the woke crowd as logic isn't there to start with.

But where is woke coming from? I would blame it squarely on social media and pressure groups who manipulate the "old" news outlets. There are still headlines online that air travel will be disrupted for several days while reporters on the ground are reporting that all is just about back to normal already. The problem is that cases involving a single person or a small group are household knowledge within seconds via social media and Sky News so and the authorities (love them or hate them) can never catch up. Black Lives Matter was a perfect example. A single person delayed for 3 days in some obscure airport can inform the world on Facebook but the 2 million travellers whose journey is normal say nothing.

Social media is a problem, but the news corps decide to drip feed the headlines.
Take the overall women’s sport picture
Every week there’s reporting of new outrage, all shaped for a single outcome; to hatchet accumulated power from an established male game.
If you earn it and create value, then fine. But to parasite on the basis you are owed something simply by being born?
That’s the very meaning of privilege.

SM is a big factor as 'stories' can be amplified and suppressed. Some people will think it's a good thing, but Trump would have won the second term without the SM collusion around the Biden laptop.

SM is a very valuable tool, which is why there was so much absurd outrage about Musk buying twatter. But it's not the cause.

I don't know the true cause, but there is a lot of truth in the long march theory. There was no mainstream/majority support for this type of agenda in the English speaking west, so they have taken control of the institutions instead, rendering elected politicians pretty toothless. Like I say now, we've had twenty years of kids being told what to think and not how to think. Those kids are now in influential positions.

This is an example of the 'long march'


Home Office’s ex-asylum boss joins pro-migrant charity
Emma Haddad will take up post at Amnesty International, which called Sunak's migrant act ‘inhumane, racist and divisive’



Emma Haddad was appointed Director General for Asylum and Protection in the Home Office in February 2021.

Before this, Emma was Director General, Service Excellence in the Department for Work and Pensions from April 2019.

Previous roles in the Civil Service include:

Director, Working Age Benefits in the Department for Work and Pensions
Director, Refugee Resettlement Operation in the Home Office
Director, Asylum in the Home Office
Director, International Policy in the UK Border Agency
National Expert in Migration, European Commission

In a nutshell, an open borders fanatic was running the mechanics of the UK's asylum system

Who would put her in  charge if they wanted to stop them, lmao.

I think this is all a distraction to stop us noticing that there is too much women's sport on TV.  When we had the last women's world cup, I watched some of the games and they were good quality and entertaining.  But this time, with all the excessive pretournament coverage and woke nonsense, I was sick of it before it even started and I didn't watch any of it.  In fact I don't watch any women's team sport now.

The correlation is palpable, an anti gambling absolutist was advising the government about gambling legislation.

Cider, how does the extremely successful company whose lowest priority is profit cope with you being on here spouting conspiracies so much?

TIA

Alyson Rudd compared it to The Handmaid's Tale

CagliariG
No conspiracy theories from me, feel free to argue with any specific points raised. In regard to why I might be on here instead of 'working', well I'm in the wfh brigade, and I have to do very little. What can I say.

Do you think the "English speaking free Western countries" should be the benchmark for how people should live their lives and are the rest of the world non existent in your universe?

I do watch women's sport if it is a sport I would normally watch men play. There is an unhealthy rush by BBC and Sky (others are available) to load coverage with female commentators and pundits. Some are OK. Others are only there to tick boxes. The same goes for race and regional accent. David Coleman or Julian Wilson would have no chance of a job now. It is all part of dumbing down which is why I watch Eurosport, TNT, RUK or anything other than a terrestrial channel to watch live sport.

The rest of the world have done pretty well from the "English speaking free Western countries" so far.

I have distinct dislike/objection with 'us' forcing our values on other nations. That's entirely different to defending our own values.

I do like Eurosport.  I watched it for the athletics last week in preference to BBC.  Even with the advert breaks it was preferred to the BBC's coverage.

In reply to Cagliari, I do find it laughable that the British (and the BBC in particular) seem to think that British values which are in a fairly small minority worldwide are "right" while contrary ones are "wrong" Are woke liberal values "progressive" or are they decadent?

The UK is a small pimple on the arse of the globe Cider and the so called English speaking free Western Countries did a little bit better than the rape of the rest of the world suffered at their hands over centuries?

Of course it is small geographically and by population. Britain's historic influence persists all over the world.


Part of the engineering via education I've been outlining is that the British Empire was heinous. There are plenty of woke points on offer to be self flagellating in this area.

All good then in Cider world, England won WW2 etc and yet you probably would not accept that as as far from the truth as the shyte the woke brigade spout today? i.e millions believed it and many still do?

Some woman player called Ellie Toone has said Rubiales must resign ‘because it’s too far gone now’

She must have missed the fact he apologised straight away

Toone- ‘too far gone for an apology’ that should have read

That's a bit garbled CagliariG. If you asking, do I believe England won WWII all by itself, the answer is absolutely not. Did we play a pivotal part, absolutely.

CagliariG

Would you prefer 'experts' to tell you what to do. Or be provided with reliable information, and make your own choices?

Sacrifice individual preferences and liberties for the 'greater good' ?

I would prefer it if the conspiracy theorists STF up and returned the Forum back to gambling and horseracing tbh!! hth

Are you not capable of not opening topics and not posting on topics that you don't like? If so, I would recommend seeking out some help with that.

The dodging of the questions is however, duly noted.

No need to dodge anything from you Cider, opening threads a democratic choice imo?

Finding the majority of them driven away from the original topics by the likes of you and your small minded agenda's and conspiracy garbage is my point!!

HTH

Seems remarkable how the player thinks she was Violated !!  She was smiling as she approached Luis and she was still smiling after walking off. What does that tell you ? OK Luis over the top in his celebrating and the " crotch grab " video was a bit strange. Apology at the most and move on imo.

Agreed GC, she even squeezed his waist as she smiled, seems the England team are the driving force, hardly a mention here!!

Hypocrisy is a free choice for you to make, too. It is, ironically enough, a liberalist value. Necessity for those of that inclination, some might say.

State of the forum these days.

Christ.

Half of you would be better on 4chan.

Which half ?

More sackings at the Spanish  FA

Seems the Little Women pack a punch!

Oh dear,

The sex pest some of you have been defending is currently on trial for sexual assault and coercion.

The sex pest is on the stand today

Giving a woman a congratulatory kiss for winning is hardly sexual assault in the vast majority of peoples definitions i wouldn't have thought.

sex pest ffs

congratulatory kiss after she won the world cup.  that's all it was. 

ruined her life apparently

what a load of  woke bollax !

Indeed utter nonsense

From what I saw she was smiling as she continued her walk,as hulk rightly says it was a congratulatory kiss after his country had won the women’s World Cup.

Perhaps they should knock it on the head if there all so touchy.

Would she have been so distressed if it was a woman who kissed her?

Female footballer Sam Kerr today not guilty of calling a police officer stupid and white even though it was on camera.

I saw that jimnast, racial discrimination only works one way, you should know that by now.

Rubiales is just lucky she wasn't black as well , he could probably expect to be hung.

be giving him a wide berth in prison.  what's he in for ? 

kissed someone without their permission. 


madman.  stay clear.

They didn't remove someone from the country the other day,  because his son only liked McDonald's chicken nuggets. In doing so would have breached his human rights.

The decision is being appealed.

Last one out, turn off the light

World has gone mad.

Looked to me like he should keep his hands and his mouth to himself. It's called consent and if you don't agree with that it suggests you might be a bit rapey yourself.

The Spanish spend half their days kissing each other, including strangers.  It's a greeting. Over here we just ignore each other.

All that money spent could have gone to charity.

I don't have too much sympathy with Rubiales but I agree an over reaction considering the context. How many sex fiends do so in front of millions watching it on TV?

He needs to up-his-game to become a proper sexual predator - then he could move to America and run for President.

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Looked to me like he should keep his hands and his mouth to himself. It's called consent and if you don't agree with that it suggests you might be a bit rapey yourself.

If we don't agree with you, we might be a bit rapey! What on earth does that mean?

Rubiales found guilty of Sexual assault, fined 9000 euros. What a mad world we now live in, as jimnast previously said she went off smiling and laughing, wasn't distressed at all.
   I see someone called Lucy Bronze(woman footballer), jumped on the bandwagon to say something needed to be done, no doubt nobody would have complained if it had been a woman who had given her a gentle kiss.

England defender Lucy Bronze has praised the Spain players involved in the Luis Rubiales case after the former president of the Spanish football federation was found guilty of kissing Jenni Hermoso without her consent.

On Thursday, Rubiales was ordered to pay a fine worth more than 10,000 euros after a Madrid court returned its verdict, with the incident overshadowing Spain’s World Cup final celebrations after victory over England in 2023.
Speaking shortly before the verdict was reached, Bronze, who played with Hermoso and several other members of the Spain team that lifted the World Cup during her time with Barcelona, shared her support for what they had been through.

“I’m good friends with a lot of the players that have been involved in it and, knowing them, it’s been incredible that these players have had to go through that,” Bronze said. “Not just winning the World Cup, but they’re in the court case, they’re speaking out.

“It’s incredibly brave, as individuals and as a team collectively. They’re fighting for change, not just in that court case but in their federation. It’s amazing. As an England team we’ve made changes, not for the same reasons, but we stand by them.

“We want them to get what they deserve and to just enjoy their football as well. I’ve been there and my last year at Barcelona, watching their ordeals after the World Cup, I think it was challenging for them. It would be nice for them to get back to their football and focusing on that because they are incredible people and unbelievable players as well.”

Watching there ordeals ffs these people really need to get a grip of themselves the world is n turmoil and all this carry on over a peck on the lips.

Incredible people

There footballers

I have watched the footage several times on the news and at no time before or after the kiss did the girl look in the least bit offended, she was still smiling as she walked off the podium, she certainly didnt look like someone who had been violated in anyway.

Absolutely spot on Glasgow

ffs was gonna comment on this again but its winding me up ! but cant say I'm surprised at the verdict. woke bollax !

Youre at the racetrack, you and the bloke next to you are shouting for the same horse. The horse wins (unlikely,i know) the bloke grabs your head and plants a smacker on your lips, is that ok then ?

Even addressing a group as 'Ladies and Gentlemen' is being criticised by some woke loonies. The

biggest problem is there aren't enough people to stand up against this nonsense and tell them

to **** off.

Tame

It wouldn’t be for me but I would just wipe my mouth and get on with the rest of my day.

Tiger. Have you ever kissed a woman on the lips? If so did you ask for her consent or was it a

spontaneous act on both your parts? The incident being discussed looked a lot more like the latter

to me.

No doubt she will now sue for damages for the 'great trauma' it has caused her!

I think he should register a complaint against the player for kissing him on the lips!

roggrain, pop yourself off to specsavers