GC and Birchy

Seems there have been several very rich gamblers highlighted in the recent RP articles for withdrawing due to ACs.

Of course, this is patently ridiculous - most of them could afford to buy a small island, let alone have a fecking bet!


But, being rich and therefore shrewd, they don't want anyone poking into all of their finances - which is quite right really.

Seems 'affordability' has nothing to do with 'affordability' as the key point. Why one earth would a bookie query a guy they knew to be a multi-millionaire?

because he might have been a billionaire last year and lost it all betting down to his last few millions, having or not having money is not the judgement of someone who has a gambling problem
if i were a taxman/fraud investigator etc i might be keeping an eye on these people going public that they,d rather leave racing than show some of their finances,
boris johnson mulyi millionaire could easily afford to bet alot of money but would imagine he,d rather have his right arm chopped of than someone have access to where his money comes from

because he might have been a billionaire last year and lost it all betting down to his last few millions, having or not having money is not the judgement of someone who has a gambling problem

That would be a fair argument, if the bookie had seem them betting and/or depositing absolutely vast amounts - and presumably also losing?

looks like the RP pay extremely good wages not too surprising given the price of the paper

They seem to highlight the big players so the media channels latch on,GC pop up light a fkn meerkat taking heed…

How is on-course betting affected?

Nothing to stop anyone having a phone account with an on course layer and their bets being recorded in the on course ledger and as such not subject to ACs whatever form they may be when implemented by the GC or White Paper unless the on course layers are included in new legislation?

on course not to keen on laying horse,s  to lose especially from those in the no,racing/punting  if you want is basically going back to where it was 35 /40 yrs ago, where laying horses for 99% of punters wasnt easily possible and racing was far better for it,not surprising theres plenty dont want that to happen

99% again? Change the record FFS as Quixall would say!!

how many punters LAID horse to lose 40 yrs ago ?
far as i no to the average joe punter  the only way to lay a horse  was to back every other  horse in the race to win and we didnt have pundits/comms etc putting up horses they thought would lose, other than putting one horse up they thought would win,youve got to get this notion out of your head that betfair,dedicated racing channels etc form the maj of racing punters in uk ,their still a small minority in the overall great scheme

Btw 1st tp, if on course layers are exempt which they probably will be due to practicalities, then turning the clock back could work in favour of racing and the exchanges in terms of wealthier punters, maybe even the mid level.

Bookies could hedge into the exchange if they so wished which would improve liquidity and at the same time the Levy would benefit depending on how bookies are charged in future.There is nothing that I know of which should prevent the owners or trainers who want a punt from having a few accounts with on course layers and placing their bets with them when the bookies are on course.

As far as I am aware there is no restriction or requirement for a punter to be physically present for a bet to be regarded as on course, stand to be corrected if I missed something?

Far too many inaccuracies re the birch. The only way this goose is "winning" is his bookie mates looking after him. Ie 5-4 heads 5-4 tails and thereof. Even birch can't **** that up and lose.

1st tp you should get it out of your head that things have changed as dramatically as your head tells you.I suppose you think the days of Barney Curley stealing bookies money made him a hero to punters?

Maybe Gay Future and Flockton Grey were rare examples and fiddling was rare?

Btw Gay Future might have been a prophesy for the UK!!

1 no 20 lads who think they no their racing go 20/30 times a yr 4 days at chelt etc,might bet a £!00 a race,like a drink, never been on a racing forum,never had a single penny on betfair,dont have /never have had RUK etc,wouldnt buy post other than raceday, would miss 10,s on a bookies stand so take 8,s 10 yds away from another without a care in the world,
compare  i dont no 10,s of 1000,s throughtout uk like that to 50 people on betfair forum ,pro punters,few 1000,s subscribing to ruk etc,theres 1000,s upon 1000,s like my 20 mates compared to those bedwetting about AC,
whatever the rights and wrongs about it

recording bets of £240 ew and winnings of £4k at Brighton last week (R&FO).
Previous weeks reporting similar success.

Has he poasted his bets ?

Don't read his Column does he mention the said Bookies in it ?

Just shows what sort of Racing Paper the Post is, letting people like this publish utter rubbish.

If you place an advert in the post on the pretence of being a Tipster,you have to send them written proof of your claims, lets see Birch show written proof of his bets.

Why do you say it is rubbish tantpis?

Because it is untrue or because his employers published his article?

Being untrue

Why would it be untrue IYO, not exactly a huge amount or beyond possibility?

Do you believe his claims, and the claims are beyond possibility.I have been betting for 55 years and but times have changed and it is nearly impossible to Get a wager on at the prices he claims or for the amounts.

What prices does he claim and amounts?

I cannot believe that a person on here actually is even thinking of believing his claims,I no longer subscribe to the Post where he would publish his claims in the weekly paper which is provided with the subscription,knowing that when I or my friends have tried to place bets with a Bookmaker they have always been declined.I f his claims are true let him provide proof,here is my proof for last week.
lf: -£34.50 |
Horse Racing: £1,049.80
Total P&L: £1,015.30
Horse Racing
Showing 1 - 20 of 87 markets
Market
Start time    Settled date    Profit/Loss (£)
Horse Racing / Brighton 21st Aug : 4 TBP
21-Aug-23 16:55    21-Aug-23 17:02    49.34
Horse Racing / Bangor-on-Dee 21st Aug : To Be Placed
21-Aug-23 16:30    21-Aug-23 16:44    57.76
Horse Racing / Brighton 21st Aug : 1m Hcap
21-Aug-23 16:25    21-Aug-23 16:28    -78.39
Horse Racing / Catterick 21st Aug : To Be Placed
21-Aug-23 16:10    21-Aug-23 16:14    74.91
Horse Racing / Brighton 21st Aug : 1m2f Hcap
21-Aug-23 15:50    21-Aug-23 15:54    -58.80
Horse Racing / Brighton 21st Aug : To Be Placed
21-Aug-23 14:40    21-Aug-23 14:44    68.51
Horse Racing / Sandown 20th Aug : 1m6f Hcap
20-Aug-23 18:45    20-Aug-23 18:54    11.48
Horse Racing / Southwell 20th Aug : To Be Placed
20-Aug-23 16:40    20-Aug-23 16:47    44.34
Horse Racing / Pontefract 20th Aug : To Be Placed
20-Aug-23 16:00    20-Aug-23 16:08    33.55
Horse Racing / Tramore 20th Aug : To Be Placed
20-Aug-23 15:15    20-Aug-23 15:24    46.67
Horse Racing / Pontefract 20th Aug : To Be Placed
20-Aug-23 14:55    20-Aug-23 15:05    31.22
Horse Racing / Tramore 20th Aug : To Be Placed
20-Aug-23 14:15    20-Aug-23 14:24    208.55
Horse Racing / Market Rasen 19th Aug : To Be Placed
19-Aug-23 20:00    19-Aug-23 20:16    399.34
Horse Racing / Market Rasen 19th Aug : 3 TBP
19-Aug-23 19:30    19-Aug-23 19:46    -208.00
Horse Racing / Bath 19th Aug : To Be Placed
19-Aug-23 19:10    19-Aug-23 19:18    -298.00
Horse Racing / Bath 19th Aug : To Be Placed
19-Aug-23 18:40    19-Aug-23 18:52    -338.00
Horse Racing / Perth 19th Aug : 3 TBP
19-Aug-23 16:30    19-Aug-23 16:42    62.02
Horse Racing / Newmarket 19th Aug : 2 TBP
19-Aug-23 16:20    19-Aug-23 16:28    177.36
Horse Racing / Newbury 19th Aug : To Be Placed
19-Aug-23 16:05    19-Aug-23 16:16    -118.00
Horse Racing / Curragh 19th Aug : To Be Placed
19-Aug-23 16:00    19-Aug-23 16:09    -258.00
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So lets see him do the same.

Who's bets, yours or his?
tia

He is an utter Bull****r and you know it.

I prefer hard facts tantpis and I do not get where you provide any, just because you never got a price on one he did does not mean it was not available?

But good luck to you if you want to believe him, do not know yourself but it has always been the saying that the proof is in the pudding.Prove his statements and I will be the first to apologise to him and yourself.

I could not care less tanpis, just seems too many on here spend 24/7 moaning that everything is bent or untrue, mostly without hard evidence to back the moans up.

Understand where you are coming from but these are my opinions of him if you want to believe otherwise that is your choice, anyway good luck to you in your punting.

I knew Birchy many years ago tantpis, he was useless on horses, dogs man through and through. Horrendous haircuts done on the cheap , by his sister if memory serves from decades ago.

One thing ,I would go no offers about him telling porkies, just not him, not the person I knew.

All that stuff apart tantpis, you could be forgiven for thinking that the GC have already won, even given the OP.

The simple fact is that Bookies are not compelled to carry out ACs and it is purely voluntary on their part, it is obvious they have been cleaning house in anticipation of new legislation, and doing it badly.

Another simple fact is that if they have breached the expected new regulations before they are implemented they cannot be held liable for those breaches under any new regulations on the terms the GC want. No retrospective penalties in other words but bookies taking early action in expectation of even more draconian rules and avoiding ridiculous fines by a non elected body?

My question was more along the Lines of is he Mentioning the Books he had bets with, Occasional Bet being shown that he Had , a Bit of Advertising for said bookmaker

which would no Doubt help his Cause

That is fair comment casemoney given the RPs dubious use of odds in articles.Do you remember their front page of years ago claiming a big pricewise winner which actually won around 6/4 after lots of non runners and 70p or so in rule 4s?

What about bookies themselves? Who and where do the on-course bookies bet with? If here, any AC from betfair? Similarly, high street bookies. Are bookies subject to the same stringent AC as punters? If not, why not? One rule for us punters, another for their mates then.

I'd like to know the above please if anyone is in the know. Much appreciated.

Not difficult impossible ffs, apart from the indies who have no online presence not a worry, the GC stuff is online so far!!!

HTH

The high street bookies can restrict a new face. Is that not another form of AC? Maybe I'll try that next time for a response.

I firmly believe bookies are using AC to facilitate their ultimate objective ie to secure a detailed info of a punter's financial and betting activities; restricting or closing the account, if necessary.

That is not even in doubt, what they haven't thought of though is no punters means no racing.

turkeys voting for Christmas

Devils Advocate: MP/GC So you show me all these punters being restricted to pennies and accounts being closed and owners leaving the sport because they cant get a bet on and examples of both small to large punters being asked for proof they can afford to bet.
Yet here we have a punter who is employed by yourself and therefore beyond reproach (presumably they have checked what he writes) who can not only get on for £240 ew winning £2k plus on a low grade race at a minor track yet still has at least 3 accounts with the biggest firms.
Whats the problem????

Very good point, if true makes it look bad for people arguing against Acs

More success he has won £4805 this August so far. Hills laid him £360 on one of his winners.He tips most Mondays in the RP never read about his success in that column.

A naive gullible fantasist. Do these checks not apply to him? And if not why not. Think we all know the answer. Does the guy EVER lose?

RP has been printing negative stuff about AC incessantly. However, RP has never printed the repercussions of fobt addicts and problem gamblers.

Bookies = Fobt = AC. But, bookies are prioritizing AC for horseracing. Pathetic and absurd!

Bookies = Fobt = New gaming licence (QED). If so, AC will be history for horseracing.

On the GC first check...

How is the rolling month/year for the triggered loss to be determined? continuously in time, or only to the time that horse racing is available in UK?

So the "clock" will only be on from flag fall of the first race to the weigh-in of the last race???

I would argue for the latter, because then the year effectively is a period of about 2 years..
and you will have days during the winter when racing is not on....