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Good article on politics linked to ACs
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Ring any bells?
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That was published Oct 31, 2014. Got to hand it to them, they play the long game....
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Interesting document, yes cider...
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The power that these people have can be seen in the way the UK government is handling the immigrant crisis.
The Tories are facing a heavy defeat at the next election, while local communities are up in arms. And still the boats arrive. So who is running the UK? If it were the Tories they'd have stopped the boats long ago. |
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I spent 5 minutes this morning, carry out a bit of googling.
The author of that WEF article is someone called REBECCA CASSIDY. REBECCA CASSIDY was a Specialist Advisor to the Select Committee on the Social and Economic Impact of the Gambling Industry in the House of Lords. .https://www.gold.ac.uk/research/case-studies/reforming-gambling-policy-/ She was apparently heavily involved in producing this massive document: HOUSE OF LORDS Select Committee on the Social and Economic Impact of the Gambling Industry Report of Session 2019–21 HL Paper 79 Gambling Harm— Time for Action .https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/1700/documents/16622/default/ At our first meeting on 18 June 2019 we appointed Professor Rebecca Cassidy, Professor of Anthropology at Goldsmiths, University of London, as our specialist adviser for the inquiry. She was reappointed when the Committee was appointed for the second time on 28 October 2019. I would need to get paid to go through it lol, there is a section dedicated to affordability checks, and some very interesting comments from Hneysuckle's owner. eg, If we can address it and get it right, I think that the number of problem gamblers in existence today—a magnitude of about 400,000—will come down significantly once that plays through over the next three to five years Here's some other bits: How to measure affordability 318. These are examples where it is clear that the gamblers could not afford the bets they were placing, but usually things will not be quite so clear cut. 319. Gambling operators already have available a large amount of information about their customers, especially those gambling online. In February 2019 the Gambling Commission published responses to a consultation showing that licensees could access information relating to a customer’s financial circumstances, such as bank statements, proof of income, and credit checks. Others suggested that licensees could analyse income and expenditure, with a number suggesting using socio-demographic data to form an understanding of affordability. One respondent said that a customer’s lifestyle could inform a licensee about how much they could afford to gamble.350 320. beBettor is a gambling compliance data processing company assisting gambling companies with the issue of affordability. They told us that they help gambling companies understand how much their customers can afford to gamble before experiencing financial harm, and measure gambling activity data within their network of operators against these affordability estimates. They said: “The affordability estimates we provide are calculated through processing individual customer data, and mapping this against sociodemographic and economic data sources available in the public domain (“Open Data”). Part of the difficulty in assessing the social and economic impact of gambling to date is that the industry response has been fragmented, with operators reluctant to work together. However, operators working collaboratively will achieve greater results in the area of problem gambling than more isolated efforts.”351 This 'beBettor' appears to be quite a large operation. Our Affordability Checks Privacy centric customer affordability checks powered by Open Government Data Science Interestingly, a couple of minutes digging shows some recognisable expressions used on their site. Frictionless affordability assessments Frictionless customer affordability and financial vulnerability checks conducted seamlessly in the background A definition. What is Open Government Data? Open Government Data (OGD) is a philosophy- and increasingly a set of policies - that promotes transparency, accountability and value creation by making government data available to all. Public bodies produce and commission huge quantities of data and information. By making their datasets available, public institutions become more transparent and accountable to citizens. By encouraging the use, reuse and free distribution of datasets, governments promote business creation and innovative, citizen-centric services. .https://www.oecd.org/gov/digital-government/open-government-data.htm |
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340. What would be more valuable still would be if the gambling operators
could approach the banks for data on the accounts of customers who are problem gamblers, or at risk of being so, or who are opening new gambling accounts. The gambling operators, if they were serious about the importance of affordability checks, might have been expected to discuss with the banks how they could cooperate, but Ms Frean told us that Starling Bank “have 367 Written evidence from Lloyds Banking Group (GAM0120) 368 Q 223 (Alexandra Frean) 369 Ibid. 370 Supplementary written evidence from Starling Bank (GAM0122) 90 SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY COMMITTEE not been approached by any gambling companies to do affordability checks. We would certainly be open to speaking to them about it ….”371 Similarly, Lloyds Bank were “not aware of any direct contact from gambling operators in relation to undertaking affordability checks, but we are open to having such discussions.”372 341. As we have said, for gambling operators to share among themselves the data required for affordability checks raises data protection issues that can be resolved. For banks to be able to share such data with the industry will raise separate data protection issues, and we have not sought the opinion of the ICO on this. 342. The Gambling Commission, the Betting and Gaming Council, and UK Finance should work with the Information Commissioner’s Office to create a consistent industry-wide approach on the sharing of customers’ financial data for the purpose of affordability checks. oo-er. I'm afraid this is only going one way. |
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Well there are a lot more cleverer people on here than me that can get to the nuts and bolts of it all and can articulate it as well but to me this is done and dusted, the powers that have influence in and on the GC are abolitionists of either gambling or any form of animal sports and this is there way of killing both in this country.
Next will be alcohol, they have already started taxing higher strength booze more and those limits will only head one way and that is down.They know it is easier to slowly strangle these things till it becomes the 'norm' that is why a cashless society is more easier to control. |
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Rebecca Cassidy is the author of a book called Vicious Games: Capitalism and Gambling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ITDKJ9YXpw It's the classic route: unhappy, frumpy lefty gets anthropology degree at yooney -> sponsorship by Davos -> House of Lords -> quango (Gambling Commission) -> ban gambling because it's capitalist. At no point is there any need to worry about voters or MPs or democracy in general. This bitter woman has learned how to bypass all of that. (Alway s remember what 'capitalism' is: a posh word for what normal people call freedom.) |
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There seems a lot of this view above, but the step that's still illdefined is that last one, 'ban gambling'.
I can see they can do a fair bit without bills or papers being passed, but ultimately laws, papers and rulings will have to be put in place that will define this more clearly. |
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and that part is still fundamentally controlled by government.
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You can achieve a de facto ban on legal gambling by making it an experience so difficult and unpleasant that no one would want to do it anyway. That's what Cassidy is arguing for, and what she's on the cusp of achieving. Hell, she already has achieved it when you go by the number of people who have already given up because of the effects of her proposals/demands.
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That is true, but partly because they still have actually finalised anything in all this stupid process. It needs that to happen.
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*still have not actually
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I don't believe the intention is to ban 'gambling' completely, but as I wrote before, the ideal model for them is a national lottery style format where the game can only be beaten by chance, and they can cream off half the revenue for tax and other socialist projects. Everything is identifiable and can be controlled. I referenced that Omaze before, and for it's a shameful product imv, targeting the gullible (and low IQ). But it's not even regulated, as they don't call it gambling, and nobody seems to care that old ladies and hard up families are getting rinsed by those types of products.
CROPSTICK, part of the problem is that there are clever people around, very clever at times. But they resist seeing what is staring them in the face, as they don't want to be labelled conspiracy theorists or tin hatters online. I don't know why it's like this, but we can take the BBC as the bellwether of 'acceptable' opinion within public discourse currently. One could imagine the BBC getting right behind the concept of treating gambling (and potentially people who can't control their gambling) as a public health issue. They now hate horse racing, and anything to do with caucasian older men, or traditional British/English. So killing off HR is right in their arc. People on the freedom side of this fight can expect to get zero support from the mainstream, the blob or much of the HoC (a few backbenchers at best). |
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Framing (they aren't meant to make it public doh, heads will roll presumably, not for the racism but dropping the ball)
Sadiq Khan was forced to distance himself from a claim on his website that a picture of a young white family “does not represent real Londoners”. The Labour London mayor was criticised over the message, which appeared as part of a guide to his and the Greater London Authority’s (GLA) brand. The guide opened with the words: “A City For All Londoners”, and promised to appeal to all ages, genders, sexual orientations and family make-ups. But a picture of a couple and their two children walking along the Thames, with parliament in the background, was highlighted as an example of pictures not to use. A label on the picture read: “Doesn’t represent real Londoners”. |
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It's about time we had some honesty from Khan, I guess....
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I keep repeating myself... Your message may be getting lost in your high output, listing is never a good look, can't say I have detected yor message.
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Cider's message in brief.The tories are not tories but vote for them anyway.Ian Duncan smith and the Daily Mail are part of a left wing conspiracy to cancel gabling.Only Cider and GB news know the truth.Everything else is misinformation.
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Do you reckon if that was published when Boris Johnson was London mayor, and the picture was of a black family, he would last to the end of the day ?
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The tories are not tories (they are Tories, they aren't conservatives)
but vote for them anyway. (no) Ian Duncan smith and the Daily Mail are part of a left wing conspiracy to cancel gabling(sic). I don't believe IDS, or the publication referenced have anything to do with it. Only Cider and GB news know the truth. Everything else is misinformation. Plenty of people know, but they are frightened of being smeared. I personally couldn't give a sh1t. GB News is significantly imperfect, but it's the best we have right now, in the terms of a national broadcaster (very low bar). Ofcom will try and shut it down, I predict. |
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Well he got away with picaninnies Letterboxes tank topped b#m boys ect for years and didn't resign so I would think he would have got away with it.
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It was satire, as I assume you are aware of, but if he had wrote the article when mayor, he would still have been forced to quit.
I don't believe the Khan inspired racism has even found its way to the bbc news desk as yet. |
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I am only having a laugh with you Cider,I don't like any of them be lucky.
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All good. A couple of my posts on this thread have been a bit of a splurge, but this forum is not very good for links, and detailed content. It struck me this morning before I went out that I did not check on the WEF post, who was the author and if there was any links to what is going on in the UK. So I posted what I found.
My overarching point, what I keep repeating is that many people are fighting the wrong 'man'. It has very little to do with helping problem gamblers. It's just something that can be leveraged to attack us. This is a fight for our entire culture, and the way of life we had enjoyed, and been accustomed to. The Khan connection is the framing, what I have touched on previously. This is the stuff that goes on way way outside of the public gaze, why do you think we now get a constant diet of non white people on tv ads, for example. 'we' are being conditioned. I will dip out of the 'AF' conversation for a while, which I intended to anyway, before this thread was started. |
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I do agree with some of your points, about wider control and influences cider.
But I think we have to tackle this as a more narrow issue, even if there are those wider issues as factors. We have to tackle the government process of limitations on gambling. They created things like the GC, in the first place. Whether we can tackle the government process is still a difficult question though, I agree. |
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when it goes completely cashless you'll get a phone call from the bank at the end of the month informing you they've identified excess spending on alcohol and tobacco on your account and you're being referred to a counselor.
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and they've updated your credit file. addicted to smoking and alcoholic.
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GC won’t buckle to anyone they’re looking for brownie points,the punters are fkd imo…
Fodder ! |
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cider and co miss the obvious point that maj of people under say 45 , in his advert scenario dont see black people in adverts they just see PEOPLE,so who are the adverts aimed at exactly ?
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I yearn for the times that we just saw people as exactly that, and not judged by their identity. Why do almost all the people who create ads seem to believe that they have to recruit/include actors who aren't white. It's a deliberate misrepresentation of the UK. It exactly follows the ideology of that Khan mistake, that an all white family is now manufactured as a misrepresentation of the country amongst the chattering classes, ie a bad thing. A quarter brain can see that it's not about having not white people included in ads, it's the deliberate cultivation of something that is not true. Although, we are heading there tbf.
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adverts not true LOL
you mean they dont drive cars down mountain passes ar 180 mph and halland and co dont really do those tricks with a ball really ,well thats my fun stopped i thought everything in an advert was real  ,your obcessed with khan but people didnt mind bendy buses,water cannons that didnt/couldmnt fire water,,,garden bridges etc etc imagine khan presiding over all that |
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Being obtuse does not suit you at all.
according to the 2021 Census, the total population of England and Wales was 59.6 million, and 81.7% of the population was white Whenever you see a human being represented in an ad on the English telly, you would expect the distribution to settle into those percentages over a sample. It doesn't matter whether they are playing the part of a normal person/family, or a fantasy one. Unless, it is being deliberately subverted and not a random sample. |
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It's probably closer to the inverse of the natural distribution.
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Here's another stat for you to digest
What percentage of UK families are mixed race? 1.7 million people (2.9%) had mixed ethnicity – 0.5 million of those identified with the mixed white and black Caribbean ethnic group (0.9%), and 0.5 million with the mixed white and Asian ethnic group (0.8%) 22 Dec 2022 |
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nice to see cider after yrs/months of 24/7 tweets teling us we,re been taking over etc that over 80% of people in uk are white, anything to think he,s winning a debate at any given moment in time
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The proportion of the UK population aged 16 years and over identifying as heterosexual or straight was 93.6% in 2020; there has been a decreasing trend since the series began in 2014.
An estimated 3.1% of the UK population aged 16 years and over identified as lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB) in 2020, an increase from 2.7% in 2019 and almost double the percentage from 2014 (1.6%). The proportion of men in the UK identifying as LGB increased from 1.9% to 3.4% between 2014 and 2020; the proportion of women identifying as LGB has risen from 1.4% to 2.8% over the same period. People aged 16 to 24 years continue to be the most likely to identify as LGB in 2020 (8.0%) reflecting an increasing trend for this age group since 2014; this breaks down to 2.7% identifying as gay or lesbian, and 5.3% identifying as bisexual. The engineering is working. |
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nice to see cider after yrs/months of 24/7 tweets teling us we,re been taking over etc that over 80% of people in uk are white, anything to think he,s winning a debate at any given moment in time
I don't use twatter, but yes you are right for once, and correct in conceding that you are being whipped in this particular back and forth. Fair play. |
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" The worlds gone Mad " .... Welll said Mick.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/gambling-review/the-worlds-gone-mad-mick-channon-boycotts-betting-over-controversial-affordability-checks-aki9S9E5MBbN/ |
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Mick Channon, that's a big one.
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You would have to concur reading this thread GC!!
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