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One for those who still try to blame left wing Labour as some kind of power in all this, for some unknown reason...while the Conservative powers force their controls upon us gamblers...
'How has it come to this? The Tories are trashing racing'
One for those who still try to blame left wing Labour as some kind of power in all this, for some unknown reason...while the Conservative powers force their controls upon us gamblers...
'How has it come to this? The Tories are trashing racing'
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Chris Cook!!
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He completely misunderstands how politics has been turned upside down. The Conservatives are no longer conservatives. Obviously. The handful that are left have been put out to pasture on the backbenches. But the politicians in general no longer lead, they don't set the strategic direction. They are simply middle managers. We are now essentially led by the unelected unaccountable mandarins and bureaucratic quangos.
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What a sad world view!!
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They are still Tories in many other fundamental ways and choices - healthcare, welfare, education etc...
They still hold the power too, at least far more than the Labour party do. |
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It's so disingenuous tomo. The duopoly will now produce manifestos that they feel will keep their 'base' happy, but not frighten off swing voters. It has no bearing on what they will actually do. The risk for the country is that Starmers lot are much more aligned with what the blob wants.
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..and on the issue of background power groups and Quangos etc - where are those for the racing powers and linked businesses in all this...?
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Absolutely not stu. Stonewall for example have a grip on education like Japanese knot weed. Many months ago, it was leaked out the horrendous stuff that the kids are being indoctrinated with related to sex ed, 'white privilege', gender ideology and all the rest of it. And they have done the square root of fukk all about it.
Healthcare? They shut down hospitals to anyone who didn't have covid. Their policy is giving the NHS more money and removing cancer targets. Buying up vast private medical resources and leaving them empty. Welfare? How about 5+ million people on out of work benefits, PIP assessments online, index linked benefits with regular bonuses. |
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horrendous stuff that the kids are being indoctrinated with related to sex ed
You sound like a far right member of the GOP in America!!! |
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Oh yes and of course awarding record exam results with no exams. Very conservative
 1.2 million immigrants in a single year (the ones we know about) |
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Prime Ministers' Questions | March 2023
"Graphic lessons on oral sex, how to choke your partner safely and 72 genders—this is what passes for relationships and sex education in British schools. Across the country, children are being subjected to lessons that are age-inappropriate, extreme, sexualising and inaccurate, often using resources from unregulated organisations that are actively campaigning to undermine parents. This is not a victory for equality; it is a catastrophe for childhood. Will my right hon. Friend honour his commitment to end inappropriate sex education by commissioning an independent inquiry into the nature and extent of this safeguarding scandal?" Miriam Cates MP |
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Don't want to go into a wider general politics debate, but taking a key example like healthcare, then talk to any doctor working in the NHS and they have the fairly clear view of what Conservatives are and do to the NHS, vs what a Labour government would compare as.
Not saying they haven't moved to some policies that might have been less hardcore right wing, but I still see they are fairly heavily different on social aspects and know their own agenda that's vastly different to Labour. |
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It's not far right to highlight it, tomo. Of course, the people doing this to kids would love to smear those who call it out.
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Basic point is they are a Conservative government in power (regardless of debates about what it means in entirety).
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Are you in the QAnon cult by any chance?
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Even if one takes a view that Tories are (partly) puppets for behind scenes powers, then we still have to ask where are the behind the scenes business powers for groups like racing, to avoid these ACs damage...??
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The NHS is inherently Labour, stu. It is of course part of the problem that they will strongly resist any change, if it comes from the Tories. The model is broken and completely implausible, unsustainable and will break the country eventually. The Tories don't have a plan anyway, they just manage what the dpt of health tells them they want to do. The fat pill announcement this week is a good example.
But I don't see any prospect of change as people still have a religious like view of the organisation. |
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The model is broken and completely implausible
Well I agree with you about that anyway. |
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Even if one takes a view that Tories are (partly) puppets for behind scenes powers, then we still have to ask where are the behind the scenes business powers for groups like racing, to avoid these ACs damage...??
This is how all of the pernicious changes are introduced/sold. AC's are sold under the banner of safety. It is clever, what they do. So anyone seen arguing against it is framed as defending bookies or people getting into serious trouble through gambling, suicide etc. It's how everything is done now. Through the prism of the lowest common denominator. Nut zero is unbelievably absurd, but anyone rationally arguing against it is framed as not caring about the planet/ kids' future. Essentially we are in a post reality/fact world, a sentiment driven one. To defeat these tactics, you need a smart strategy and smart people. We don't have many of them in public life. |
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I find it overall rather amazing, that the large business powers that could be affected, are not exerting any influence on this process. I don't personally believe the more abstract and emotive aspects of influence really ride so easily over real business interests.
That is also partly the point of the above article I guess. |
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It is absolutely the case. I really don't think people grasp the fundamental changes that are happening to the west, and western values.
I work for a successful SaaS business. But making a profit is now way way down the agenda. It's all about values, impact on the community. Meritocracy has gone. They remove a print button from the UI to stop people using paper as part of the commitment to nut zero. |
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I have heard that it will be on the agenda if we get labour in gvnt, they will try to bring in PPP. Which is ESG on speed, and embed it in fiduciary responsibility.
PPP stands for Profit, People, Planet. |
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You could of course, do pretty much anything under that cover/umbrella. Deliberately so.
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Why is Net Zero absurd by the way?
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I feel this has slightly gone wider into some OT areas, so bringing it directly back to the main focus, gambling and ACs...
Well whichever way we look at it, Labour getting into power can't be any worse for gamblers than this Conservative government have proven themselves to be, over recent years of influence on gamblers and gambling as an institution. That is quite mad when you think of the supposed values of 'personal freedom' vs 'nanny state' that these two are often represented to be - gambling has always been a part of the former ideal, as an acceptable pursuit in political views. I also think back and remember that brief period while Labour were in power, and they actually made a key point of supporting the ideals of gambling as a pursuit (think earlier days of BF when that was...) - though that seems like a distant memory in our current days of politics. |
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Meritocracy has gone,when was it ever here?
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We are now essentially led by the unelected unaccountable mandarins and bureaucratic quangos
And which party put those quangos in place? Cider has been swallowing too much cider - id wager he hasn't been inside a school in about 50 years. Much better to blame som secret cabal for one's chosen plotocs being sheet and ruining then country for 15 years - its always someone else fault ain it boomers? The state of racing (and the directionless way it is led) is a rather elegant way of looking at the rest of the country. |
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Why is Net Zero absurd by the way?
Lol. Okay I'll fall for it: Because if we get there it will make difference to world emissions. Bearing in mind that we've exported most of our emissions elsewhere. That's a massive 1%, by the way. |
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Good stuff from Cider as usual.
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Thanks DC
And which party put those quangos in place? Blair predominately. But you have to understand, it's apolitical. They were happy to defer legislating to the EU and now it's the blob. Do you think Steve Barclay has some grand plan for the health service, or Gillian Keegan has one for education? 'New' Labour were much more strategic when they won a landslide and made changes that were virtually impossible to reverse. It remains to be seen how they cope with the quangos and the blob, if they achieve a majority. As I referenced at the top though, politics is unrecognisable from 1997, but the RP journo is still writing as if nothing has changed. Whatever it is, technology, social media, the digital age, lowering of standards, something else or a combination of all of them, this fantasy that the politicians are in charge, that Hunt walks into the treasury and decides the budget is, is an utter fantasy, a relic. They simply manage, are presented with theoretical choices which are hobsons choices. And if they go against the preferred option, that are undermined at every point by incessant leaking and powerful friends in the media, and collusion within the blob (such as the BoE dumping gilts onto the market when GBP was under pressure). |
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stu, it ties in because the incredulity apparently is why something that would be seen as Tory is seemingly being attacked, using policies that a 15 year old could tell wouldn't work. It's not coming from the Tories, and it's part of the much much wider picture of people who want to change our fundamental culture.
I keep repeating myself, but it doesn't register with many. They are still trying to apply logical/rational thinking, to this narrow subject. It's only when it is judged in the much wider context of what is happening, what is being done to us that it makes any sense. |
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This short clip demonstrates the high level of our politics, in a nutshell.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0-CdZj9Jd8 |
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But you do recall Labour being fairly active in promoting of gambling in the UK, while in power?
Some were rather worried by the fact they supported gambling so much... |
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What's 'the blob'?
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stu, I recall the excitement about supposed 24 hr licences and super casinos, bringing vegas to the UK. Labour liberalised a fair bit in the gambling space (and banking!).
"The Gambling Commission are quite a big concern. Are they under control? Are they working in the parameters being set by the government? That’s something I’ll raise to the minister. I don’t want them to hide behind any possible levy review as that’s a separate thing all together. If they say there’s a review of the levy our response will be so what? We don’t know which way a review will take us. It could be better, it could be worse." Prominent jumps owner Carl Hinchy announced this week he would be exiting the sport as checks left him unable to bet on his horses and he was also critical of restrictions over his own spending. This comes despite former gambling minister Paul Scully having stressed it was neither the government nor the Gambling Commission's job to determine how much a person can bet. Robertson will advise Scully's successor to take such an approach. He said: "There’s a philosophical issue here. The only time you get checks on your income is when you’re looking to borrow money and not spend it so this is a new concept. I don’t think we should tell people how to spend their money, that would be a significant change of approach that any government would have to justify. We’ve got to be a Conservative government but, in a number of ways, we’re not being that at the moment. "There are some individuals who have suffered terribly and my heart really does go out to them. I think there’s a need to target these people and there’s all sorts of other ways, such as the betting trends, to try and help them. There will be pressure on betting companies to do that but not to say how much can you afford as it’s up to the person. There’s a line to be drawn there and I think the group would take that view. "The government will feel the need to do something otherwise they’ll get backlash, although I hope – very strongly – they don’t do anything detrimental." These are comments from a Tory MP in the RP. To be fair, very much on the pro racing side. I keep repeating it, but this is an ideological fight. The people driving this, are not elected. I'm certain that this will be pushed whomever has a majority in the HoC. I do feel like people are stuck psychologically in those times when elected politicians determined the direction of travel. Those times have gone, and I don't have any answers. Even if something radical happened at the ballot box, the new people would also be hamstrung as the true power no longer lays with the HoC. |
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I personally still have hope that the powers will, at least to some extent, see some of the potential fiscal damage they could cause via the more extreme end of these proposals.
I know some may downplay it, but I don't believe business powers that might be affected have no 'behind the scenes' power either. Time will tell either way however, so we will have to see. |
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“lessons will be learned” I can just see it happening ffs….like some major enquiry…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd3IaJRQBXg
Godfrey explains it all for you here in one short 10 minute video for those of you still in denial  |
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I get there are wider influences in the world, but bottom line is this will still come down to old fashioned bills and laws around them, that will have to be voted in by our MPs.
That is the central mechanism that will see our fates as gamblers decided. |
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No old-fashioned bills or laws or MP's votes required for this at all. None.
The Gambling Commission will enact whatever it fancies. |