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Ten Year Old Girl Murdered 3 men sought Including the Father
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Some posters are mixing up two completely different cases owing to the ambiguous phrase "one of these chaps".
The iron bar chap hit his daughter who was wearing makeup to hide the last time he'd hit her. This has nothing to do with the dead 10-year-old. This daughter is still alive, and presumably still getting bashed about on a regular basis. Back to the 10-year-old Sara. Dad might have killed her but is he really likely to be a religious nutter if he married her Polish Catholic mother in the first place? My guess would be she was "unintentionally" killed (even if pain was intended) and then they panicked and fled the country. |
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Offence happened on British soil thus appl=uy British Law. Country of origin of offender or religion or faith does not come into it.
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The iron bar fiend is very up on the identity ladder. Two elements, yes that's the leverage that the judge used to be able to get him off, but also there would be widespread outrage in the media if the perp had been a different pigmentation/persuasion.
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Back to the 10-year-old Sara. Dad might have killed her but is he really likely to be a religious nutter if he married her Polish Catholic mother in the first place? My guess would be she was "unintentionally" killed (even if pain was intended) and then they panicked and fled the country.
Nobody knows do they. Can you recall the last time that a child was murdered in the UK, and it didn't even reach broadcast news? |
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Cider -- the daughter's plea for mercy in the iron bar case was probably genuine. What the kids usually want is dad (or mum) to stop hitting them or fondling them but they don't want the family broken up. They still love the 90 per cent of daddy who takes them to McDonalds, pushes them on the swing and reads them bedtime stories. Unfortunately, social workers do not have magic wands.
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No idea if it was genuine or not. But it should not be relevant. How can you trust the testimony of a child that gets beaten in public with an iron bar by her family? There are millions of families with an absent father these days anyway.
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Cider -- "Can you recall the last time that a child was murdered in the UK, and it didn't even reach broadcast news?"
If it is true that three children are killed by their parents each month, then lots do not make the broadcast news. Especially since the media (and public) got excited about child sexual abuse and forgot about old-fashioned baby battering. https://www.lbc.co.uk/crime/child-abuse-three-killed-every-month-england/ Earlier on the thread I suggested one reason the police might be keeping things from the media: so they do not prejudice the extradition hearing. If Sara's killer is arrested in Pakistan, the next step will be a Pakistan court hearing and perhaps also a political hearing to decide if he can be extradited back to Britain. His defence lawyers will argue that he cannot get a fair trial in England if the media has been running hysterical headlines. Now, I might be wrong. Maybe they are just worried about "racists" stirring up trouble, which is why the raped girls in Rotherham were ignored, but it is at least plausible and, imo more likely. |
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Look, no adult must be allowed to iron-bar a kid esp a sibling in public outside their school irrespective of behaviour. British Law must be uphold regardless.
I'm old school. |
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36 children were killed in 2020 by mistreatment or neglect.
Sorry, I will try again. Can you recall the last time that [b]a child was murdered in the UK, and it didn't even reach broadcast news?[/i] |
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The systematic abuse stuff is an entirely different category. Equally horrendous. But typically those are cases that involve failures with different agencies, general state incompetence. It is notoriously difficult to prove murder in those cases where a baby dies. Esp in lockdown when all the agencies 'worked' from home. And we don't want to go down that particular rabbit hole as it's not related to this murder afaik.
This is apparently a cold blooded murder. |
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It tripped across this story looking for something else. It is genuine (from 2022)
A 45-year-old man has been found guilty of murdering a 15-year-old boy and attempting to murder the boy’s mother in Miles Platting in June last year. Suleman Altaf attended his ex-partner’s home uninvited shortly after 9pm on 9 June 2022. He was carrying a knife and wearing a baseball cap, a surgical mask and latex gloves. After letting himself into the house, he launched an attack upon her, stabbing her numerous times. When her 15-year-old son, Jakoub Szymancki, came to her aid, he stabbed the boy to the throat. CCTV showed Altaf in the area of the house for three hours before the attack. He was in the house just two minutes before he was seen running away with blood on his face. Jakoub Szymancki received a catastrophic injury to the blood vessels in his neck, plus defence wounds to his arms and was pronounced dead at 10.26pm. His mother received 13 stab wounds to her head and body, plus multiple facial fractures, a fractured rib and a collapsed lung. After fleeing the scene Altaf took a £350 taxi to Slough where he attempted to cross the English Channel in a dinghy. At 6.45pm on 10 June 2022, he was intercepted by RLNI lifeboat crew. After an hour of negotiations, when he told them he had intended to sail to France before travelling on to Portugal, he eventually agreed to leave the dinghy and was taken back to shore where he was arrested. In interview he told police officers he had acting in self-defence after being attacked by the boy and his mother. Today he was found guilty of murder, attempted murder and possession of a knife in a public place. |
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Vomit inducing read Cider what a cesspit we live in at times,a disturbing story….
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Watch some of these channel 5 programmes and listen to plod asking the undesirable if they want sugar in the coffee…..ffs
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This mob in the big house on the Thames don’t have a fkn clue…..
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It's a wonder how Judge John Deed ever made it onto BBC screens, wouldn't these days.
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Why do asylum seekers or economic migrants from S Asia not choose the Far East and South East Asia countries? Like England these countries speak English, established infrastructure, friendly climate, good standard of living and tasty food, etc. Why not?
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Because they like the promised land,the land of milk and honey…..
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Would you like sugar in your coffee
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You couldn’t make it up jimnast
Another beauty “mind your head on the car roof” ffs |
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stop it form |
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Opening the case, prosecutor Alexander Leach KC told the court that Ms Bastek and Mr Altaf were in a relationship between 2012 and 2015. She had three sons including Jakub, and they both had a son together, he said.
The relationship broke down in 2015 and Family Court proceedings began in respect of Mr Altaf having contact with their son, which concluded in May this year. ..... Mr Altaf accepted that he must have struck Ms Bastek and Jakub with a knife but denied any intention to cause harm and said he was acting defensively. He added that he wore the gloves and mask due to his concerns about COVID, jurors heard. Mr Altaf, of no fixed address, denies murder, attempted murder and possession of a knife. Jurors have been discharged in the case after Judge Patrick Field KC informed them that Mr Altaf was poorly and would not be well enough to return to court this week. The case was adjourned to January 9 next year for a new trial date to be fixed. |
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At one time they cost a penny…….
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A complete waste of money keeping the filth alive who could carry out such a savage act. The best thing to do would be to pin them against the nearest wall and blast a huge bullet into their scumbag skull.
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Cider - what is the point of posting details of this case from 2022? which may or may not have similarities to the recent case?.
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The issues are multi faceted, that the savagery is happening is one thing. But I don't even recall hearing about this case. It's pretty hard to find significant detail on the mainstream outlets, that pic and detail is from the MEN. Couldn't see any significant reporting of the conviction. The initial quote is from the CPS.
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I am aspergers blackburn, and it has its benefits and negatives in equal measure, however it's something that I definitely wouldn't want to change. Anyway, it seems normal to me, but apparently one of the traits is that I identify patterns. I asked another poster to give me an example of a child being murdered in cold blood that didn't dominate the media. Purely by coincidence, I noticed this one when searching for something unrelated. Quite uncanny, the apparent correlation, do you not think? And the common denominators.
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We did have weeks of a footballer kicking a cat, two wags wasting their husbands' money in court, a bloke touching up other blokes in a private club. And about six years of trump. You can see that those in charge of creating the narrative ensure that we are on top of the important stuff.
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*=#blackbarn
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Cider - the "old" 2022 case you mention resulted in a conviction earlier THIS month. Loads of stuff to see, if you want, just by googling the convicted surname.
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Cider - no bother re the name!! Common on here. Spellchecker doesn't know I have a black barn!!!!
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Anyone remember Lord Ali and his two family members? The former was found guilty after a trial of grooming young boys and girls in the 80's. The former was sent down still protesting his innocence; the other two were too ill (emotionally/mentally) to be brought to court. But, all of them are still in the UK no doubt drawing benefits. However, I hope the former Lord will be sent back to his home country upon his release.
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I'm not saying it's absolutely impossible to find info on it. I have posted it on here.
Where you honestly aware of the story before I posted it on here? I was not. It's something that's tangibly impossible to prove, we can only use benchmarks and comparisons of ostensibly similar incidents. |
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Cider "Where you honestly aware of the story before I posted it on here? I was not".
Neither was I, but then this is not the kind of story I would be looking for. Presumably this is the kind of story you were looking for. |
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That's what I'm talking about. I guarantee you knew that they apparently found a risk of legionnaires on the bibby, or it was warm in europe recently. If the perp in this case was white, and the victims were protected identities, you would have heard about it.
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I suspect cider thinks such a horrific attack worthy of the 6.00 news blackbarn, as would I if I watched it.
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Like the riveting tale of an old lady who worked for the royal family, asking an attendee to a royal function, where they were from?
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Blackbarn, you really are the lowest of the low, give it a break ffs.
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Basil - I am aware that you do not like me, but sometimes your posts offend commonsense. This is thus far a perfectly courteous and friendly debate. If you wish to take offence at something I have said, please post me and we can discuss. Thanks
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Why would anyone dislike you on here blackbarn?
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