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Jim Crowley Whip Count (Double Figures?)
Jim Crowley Whip Count (Double Figures?)
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load of bollocks i went racing over 50 yrs with my dad and the stands didnt need BHA telling them about the CRACKS< whipping,bloodied horses meated out by piggot and co ,its always been an issue, as a teenager i can still remember now watch piggot thrash a horse called moott the hoople to within an inch f its life at newcastle and it was the talk of the track,bars etc,same as AP, irish jocks thrashing away at chelt etc,etc
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When do you believe was the most recent era of commonplace whip abuse in UK horse racing?
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Take your head out of the sand,the tickling sticks are not even close to what you describe,sounds like you have not moved on as racing already has!!
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Has there been a case of a horse marked with the new style whip ?
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I can't remember the year but assuming early/mid 90s when Peter Scudamore helped develop a new style whip with a cushion and presume the modern one developed from the prototype?
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you could give luke morris a feather duster but it still looks absolutely shocking,
like i say if their a tickling stick we,re losing nothing without them, take any kid, racing newbie to a track when they have apprentices etc showing off the EQUASISER and the cracking noise alone would stop lots of them coming racing again |
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1st timer is still calling for a drink drive limit.
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When do you believe was the most recent era of commonplace whip abuse in UK horse racing?
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any random kid also most likely believes the world is about to combust unless I stop driving my car. judging the world by the opinions of heavily indoctrinated kids is probably not the best way to form industry policy.
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Nobody has even mention the first couple of taps Crowley used were to keep his mount from leaning to its right,it straightened as a result so maybe should be counted as in the interests of safety?
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1st time poster,do you think a generation of youngsters were put off by Nicky Carlisle because of how he looked? LOL
Btw Luke Morris has no choice due to the damage he has to his joints!! |
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1,m 63 as old school as they come and if i,m commenting on the equasiser been tried at racecourses its because ive been there heard it and seen it in action and was shocked by the noise it makes, so why do you feel the need to mock the current younger generation because it fits your current world narrative conflating all your current thinking into every subject you discuss/comment on
ie your so called anti woke agenda |
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Sadly as you get older, public opinion changes. What might have seemed normal 40 or 50 years ago is now illegal and vice versa. Racing has 2 issues that conflict with one another. Gambling has been liberalised beyond what anyone in the 1970s could have imagined while animal welfare issues have moved massively and may continue to do so. Will we have horse or greyhound racing, cows on farms or even pet dogs in 20 or 40 years time? I won't be here to see that but the rate of change is accelerating. Jim Crowley knew the rules but he has been riding for many years and would have been applauded by almost everyone for that ride 10 years ago.
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Of course, everything evolves with time, that's life. How many people outside of those with a deep interest in the sport, or a deep interest in ending it are discussing Crowley's ride on Hukum? The only reason it is being discussed by anyone is that he severely contravened the new rules, not because Hukum was possibly abused.
There are two elements at play obviously. Are the new rules proportionate in general is a different conversation to whether they were implemented correctly. In my view they are extremely disproportionate, that does not mean he should have contravened them due to it being an important race. |
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In my view the far worse treatment that the animals receive these days is when they are clearly beaten but carry on being ridden out almost a furlong behind, or just plodding along to finish. Especially over jump races it is shameful sometimes that they jockeys persist when out of the race. Presumably due to the handicapping system encouraging them to cross the finish line.
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It is not always shameful. Some of those horses are swinging the lead and if you pull up as soon as you are 10 lengths behind, the horse will say thanks, I will try that again. You could of course argue that they are not worth persevering with by staying in training.
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Yes shameful 'sometimes'. That's the actual abuse (in my view) they should be weeding out. In was in Ireland, Kilbeggan I think the other day where the finishers were pulling up having finished the race, and some dork was still firing his knackered and beaten mount (at around 5pmh) into the last. Of course the horse took a heavy fall, and laid lifeless on the ground. By the grace of god I believe he actually got up but looked long odds on that he wouldn't. Most of this happens away from the broadcast cameras.
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Like so much of the depressing post modern discourse, perception is valued over substance.
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why do chappers and others on here feel the need to lie to defend the whip by saying horses cant even feel the pro cush,when we all no they can hence why they use it and those that can get the strongest jock to use it the most tim es even if means breaking the rules, for them
just watched preview of galway hurdle where the mullins horse ballyistok swished his tail 5 times after been hit 5 times after the last clear as day ,whip lands he swishes tail,why would that happen if half a tonne of horse couldnt feel it ? argue the case without lying and taking people for fools |
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20 day ban,10 grand fine and suddenly aged 40+ in 4 days crowley manages to count to 6 instead of 9 in heat of battle
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The nearly £30,000 Jockey's percentage - from winning the Nassau - will more than pay the Fine.
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crowley now given it the its not that easy to stay within the rules, no 99.9% of thick as fook jockeys just manage it in 99.9% of races 7 days a week, and crowley manages to cut his strokes down by 50% inside a week
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Put him in the stocks!
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How has gambling been liberalised in 2023 pray? The very opposite is the truth. It is so interfered with. regulated and restricted now it is almost impossible to get a decent bet on!
It is Gaming that has been made so available to the great unwashed and hence our present day problems for serious punters! |
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Wasting your time honcho,TAPS barely describes this forum!!
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Zzzzzzz ffs dead thread ffs turn it in…
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LH, I was comparing to the 1960-70s if you were referring to my post at 13.06. In those days few people could bet unless they went racing or did the football pools or bet illegally. The freedom to bet on any sport, to lay online, to bet free of betting tax, to watch racing at home apart from the big meetings was unknown back then. I agree that the liberal period is coming to an end now with affordability checks but most people will never be asked. After 25 years, surely Betfair know my betting habits by now? But the idea of restricting jockeys use of the whip was equally unheard of at that time.
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