Sir Mark Prescott's 4 favourite races

Great stuff  - GEORGE.B

What raconteur.

Enjoys bullfighting allegedly

Why do so many people think this guy is the Risen ffs

Because he can tell a far better story - than you would ever be able to ....

- and - he is a genuine, and exceptionally knowledgeable, Racing Historian.

Oh right sorry…..and the bullfighting….that’s ok Fkn @rse

A man who eats baked beans straight out of the can is OK by me. Very loyal to his jockeys, he never says anything nice about them and they never say anything about him. Once said things cannot be unsaid. A good lesson in life.

You get the sandwiches I’ll get the petrol……Hamilton to Newmarket conversion with stable rider George Duffield….ffs

Blood sport…..says it all really…..tbf

Expected a favourite race to be one of his 1m 6f horses getting tailed off over 5 furlongs.

A cheating scumbag. Simple as.

MJK 18 Jul 23 10:52 
A cheating scumbag. Simple as.




I recall a TV interview with Henry Cecil by Chapman where Henry had said that any trainer knowingly running a horse over the wrong trip was cheating in his opinion.

WALOFS calling him a cheat,does he have his horses pulled,doped or anything contrary to the rules of racing? His approach is perfectly sensible in teaching young horses to race with a view to the future,most punters know how he operates as do the authorities,only disgruntled punters living on another planet would be unaware!!

CagliariG
I totally agree.

teaching young horses to race

Yes, a truly great sporting sight to behold, great lumbering distance types, pretending to sprint

I'm with Henry on this one.

So going by your assertions stu and sparrow,every trainer who runs a 2 year old over 5 or 6 F that then goes on to run in middle distance races is a cheat? To be a cheat there has to be some deception so would you care to espouse who Prescott is deceiving and why the majority of trainers are any different?

Get's his horses a workable H'cap mark,like most trainers try to do.
Is it any worse than trainers running a horse over 6F 3x & not being
sighted then winning over the same trip after being hammered in the
betting?

The bull gets the sword into the lungs then vomit around a gallon of blood suffering unimaginable pain..

Keep drooling..

Got nothing to do with training horses has it Quixall?

Who's drooling?
I'm talking about horse racing,silly b0ll0x.

So does anyone else want to agree with Henry Cecil?

All started a while back Cagliari.I mentioned his pastime/hobbies

I’ve never had much time for people who refer to a person by the surname,especially an employee

Regarding his training ability I can’t say I’ve given it much thought,I remember a few having an @rgasm when Pasternak landed a so called fortune….this kind of thing is almost an occurrence daily/weekly/monthly in the game…

sparrow 18 Jul 23 12:14 
So does anyone else want to agree with Henry Cecil?

A barrowload imv

Henry's statement was too wide in scope sparrow because it would include any trainer running a horse over sprint distances knowing that its future was over maybe 10 or 12 just as an example,so you could include Henry himself or the likes of AOB?

penzance 18 Jul 23 12:14 
Who's drooling?
I'm talking about horse racing,silly b0ll0x

Not referring to you directly but you see it on the channels and other interviews…..drooling!

The Risen….ffs

Top man is Sir Mark.
He trains horses to race, the reason they were bred.

There is no rule in racing that you must can not run staying bred horses in sprints, or sprint bred horses in staying races.
That might be confusing to people whose form study is counting the 1s before the horse's name.

I have fond memories of Sir Mark's grey filly On Call winning at Leopardstown in 1998 at 8/1.
The race was 1m 6f, and On Call had won 6 of her 7 previous races, all at 1m 4f, 1m 6f, 2m.
It was a Listed race, and On Call was there to get her first black type.
The odds-on favourite was an Irish Oaks winner, returning after a long break, and so fat she looked like she was 10 months pregnant.

Would you prefer Saint Barney Curley then Quixall? A proper cheat who stole millions from ordinary punters but helped African kids with some of it?

Oh I’ve said my piece regarding that ignorant person……

The world is full of decent people who do well for charity far better than Curley

Check the YouTube videos….dreadful person

Cagliari,there are countless sports people out there as well as other high earners who wish to keep anonymous but give thousands if not millions….

Would you call trainers who run PTP winners over 3 miles cheats for running in 2 mile hurdles or bumper horses who run over 1.5 miles then go up to 2.5 + on hurdling debut?

Stop pulling away from my point…..his hobbies….

Never pay much attention to NH

His hobbies have nothing to do with his training abilities Quixall,would you say the same about Mick Appleby? His hobbies turn my stomach but don't get in the way of backing his horses which is all it comes down to, prejudice can cost you dearly if you let it get in the way of a bet imvho?

Never comment on his training ability which is there for all to see…..his pastimes are not good imv…

Appleby…can’t remember the last time I punted one of his…..each to their own if you are referring to his spouse

Not so long ago we had to educate you about his wife Quixall!!

Yeah I never knew he was married to a he….but there you go

His ex (female) divorced him because she didn't know which way to turn!!

I could imagine….what another Phil and Elton…..

Did you know he became gay due to becoming addicted to prescribed medication?

Probably because he fancied the other side

Jul 18, 2023 -- 12:14PM, sparrow wrote:

So does anyone else want to agree with Henry Cecil?

Absolutely.  Cecil got his rewards by trying to win, not cheat. Legend.

Suppositories!!

Bear with me Quixall,only on here as confined to barracks,got heat stroke Saturday when cleaning out the chickens,those bug$ers have air conditioning in the coop but insist on staying out.Already nudging 49C on the veranda according to my OH!!!

So HRA never ran a middle distance horse at sprint distances then MJK?

CagliariG 18 Jul 23 14:23 
So HRA never ran a middle distance horse at sprint distances then MJK?






Knowingly was the word used by Henry.

So you are saying that he didn't know he was running the horses over too short a trip compared to the future sparrow?

If that is true then what does it suggest,he was guessing IYO?

It was Henry that said it, not me.  I think he knew what he was doing and who am I to disbelieve him?

You failed to answer my Q regarding Andrew,why the spat he seems ok

I haven't seen any question Quixall,what did you ask?

Assuming me and not sparrow?

Had a search Quixall and assume you mean the Sociopath thread? If so ,simply the preponderance of porkie pies going back years and continuing to the present.Claimed to have blocked me when he got fed up being caught so that he did not have to respond,however like steB could not resist reacting to subtle baiting.

Typical sociopathic behaviour btw,when confronted they try to deflect and turn the tables and always fail, many years of experience investigating and locking up similar but Ikeaman will refer to me as a sapper or squaddie because he knows he is a con man and will not dare engage to refute my assertions of his lies. HTH

Fair enough,people on here take it far too serious…..imv

Tongue-in-cheek is harmless imo,I only see one on here which in my opinion is quite vicious,not a nice individual…

Who…..

TBF it is a serious business Quixall though I have always tried a bit of humour along the way but have never tried to put anybody away or just for smartie points or adulation.Ikeaman must be the losing most poster next to StewB and yet has to tell the forum what he had for breakfast among other bollox to cover the fact,all of it proven porkies.

CagliariG18 Jul 23 11:55
So going by your assertions stu and sparrow,every trainer who runs a 2 year old over 5 or 6 F that then goes on to run in middle distance races is a cheat? To be a cheat there has to be some deception so would you care to espouse who Prescott is deceiving and why the majority of trainers are any different?

I didn't actually use the word 'cheat' - I was just laughing at some of the eulogising this guy somehow receives from some in the sport/ or even on here oddly. So much sycophantic talk about trainers around in this murky sport - I'm realistic, I know it's often a murky art training, but equally don't give a steaming one about them as people or professionals. I have a similar view of jockeys, with same above issues.

He wouldn't be my least favourite trainer, though that's not exactly saying much given what I think of most racing trainers!

Don't panic stu,you are safe from any libel action!!

He does still make big lumbering distance type horses sprint though

If you think that's praiseworthy...ok.

Any worse than the likes of AOB running horses in the Guineas and then realising they were actually sprinters stu?

At least he knows what he has?

Depends what you mean by worse really - I'm no AOB fan either just to add.

The thing everyone knows, and potentially knocks about Prescott, is the level of blatant use of distance in relation to breeding.

That is the whole issue normally stu but all within the rules and any punter who cries about it obviously does so because they fail to understand and fail to capitalise where the obvious is smacking them in the hooter?

Just imagine if he had trained Red Rum,that would have been a story worth talking about?

As punters we should be aware of course I agree. But I won't join those who want to assume the @rse-licking positions around them.

Fair enough stu,I am not one of them.But HRA is an example of someone who is subject to hero worship by sparrow et al despite his flaws,how do you distinguish?

My mum baby sat for Henry and David and would hear no wrong and when "her" horse went to Henry she thought it was the best thing since having me in her life!!!

I often wonder how she found so many flaws in me that she would never see in HRA!!

I most certainly did not hero worship Cecil for all sorts of reasons .

Comparing O'Brien bringing a horse back to sprinting who he was hoping would stay a mile but didn't and what Prescott does is total nonsense. Nonsense post of the month actually.

ROFL MJK,you are as clueless as gaze!! AOB can guess based on breeding but Prescott is a crook because he knows beforehand what he has?

Post now in NPOTY (nonsense post of the year). Upgraded from Month.

Tinkers get their knickers in a twist badly over Sir Mark

ultimately if you are a knight of the realm rather than a two-bit kitchen seller you can do what the fúck you like

At the risk of introducing Ace-like irrelevancies, he is not a Knight of the Realm, he is not even a Knight, he is a Baronet (inherited). Still entitled to use Sir but not a Knight.

Correct - blackbarn

The baronetcy is from his Grandfather, who was created a Baronet in 1938

Upon his grandfather's death - the baronetcy passed to his son - who must have not had any son's himself to pass it onto -
- so the baronetcy passed onto his nephew Mark Prescott in 1965.

Who the baronetcy will be passed onto when Sir Mark Prescott dies is an unknow - But Sir Mark, too, has no Son's - and whether he has any extended family - for another 'sideways' move does not appear to be widely known.

In that case - maybe it will die with him. ...

- or - he could always leave it in his will to - George Duffield....

'for services rendered'.   

Now they set fire to some sort of material tied to the bulls horns and watch it run around petrified and in pain,and the b@stards cheer…

I wonder if the Risen would enjoy this vomit inducing cruelty…..probably..imv…well he enjoys a sword going in imo….

On the subject of running horses with a  plan to begin their handicapping career on a lenient rating as possible, it only feels like yesterday that you could go as long as a month running off penalties - it was in fact around 1990 when they updated the system. I can't recall ever seeing any comparative stats reg sequences being ran up before and after the change in the system. Whatever, handicaps were far more interesting when the OR's were updated monthly, and though not directly related, they were also far more fascinating with a good spread in the weight range. Duffield  could do light weights, and  Sir Mark also used two other light weights in the mid - late 70's,  in Ray Still and Colin Nutter.

No matter how you look at it, he ran (and still runs) his horses in a way that an "armchair" punter (the majority) had little chance of getting right - which suits the high-street bookmakers VERY well. More robbing the less-well-off to benefit the rich (corporations and Prescott and cronies). Too harsh? Too true. Yes, and I'm quite pro measures to keep the levels of those kinds of losses down for those who really can't afford it.

Having a run of 'good thing' losers it seems. Enjoying a big cigar presently no doubt. Another nice holiday paid for. WAC.

Hasn’t smoked for years.

I use the word cigar instead of a non allowed one