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People who BLINDLY Back Horses - simply looking at the 'Form String' FINISHING POSITIONS ....
- and NOT - 'What did it finish 2nd to? ...
2 Vitani 3-10-7 Adam West Lee Edwards
Got themselves a BSP 53.6 WINNER, there.
VITANI 2:50 Stratford
5:50 Newton Abbot
Happy Birthday Trixie Let's Get Tipsy Juvenile Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race)
(Class 4) (3yo) (2m167yds) 2m1f Good 8 hurdles
1st £5,089.80 2nd £2,446.50 3rd £1,317
1st Max Of Stars (FR) EvensF Brian Hughes Ollie Pears 3 109 – 52 89
Made all, wandered around 1st, went clear from 3rd, not fluent 4th, went further clear before 5th, easily, unchallenged (op 4/5)
2nd beaten 68 lengths VITANI 5/1 Lee Edwards Adam West 3-10-9 – – – –
Prominent on outer, lost position and dropped to rear 2nd, prominent in chasing group when hampered just before 4th, went second after 4th, soon lost touch, tailed off (op 6/1 and tchd 13/2)
3rd 7 [75] lengths Kilcummin(IRE) 14/1 Kevin Brogan Mark Gillard 3-11-2 – – – –
Prominent, jumped left and lost position 1st, went third after 4th, soon lost touch, tailed off (tchd 12/1)
3 Other 'Runners' - ALL - PULLED UP
- and NOT - 'What did it finish 2nd to? ...
2 Vitani 3-10-7 Adam West Lee Edwards
Got themselves a BSP 53.6 WINNER, there.
VITANI 2:50 Stratford
5:50 Newton Abbot
Happy Birthday Trixie Let's Get Tipsy Juvenile Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race)
(Class 4) (3yo) (2m167yds) 2m1f Good 8 hurdles
1st £5,089.80 2nd £2,446.50 3rd £1,317
1st Max Of Stars (FR) EvensF Brian Hughes Ollie Pears 3 109 – 52 89
Made all, wandered around 1st, went clear from 3rd, not fluent 4th, went further clear before 5th, easily, unchallenged (op 4/5)
2nd beaten 68 lengths VITANI 5/1 Lee Edwards Adam West 3-10-9 – – – –
Prominent on outer, lost position and dropped to rear 2nd, prominent in chasing group when hampered just before 4th, went second after 4th, soon lost touch, tailed off (op 6/1 and tchd 13/2)
3rd 7 [75] lengths Kilcummin(IRE) 14/1 Kevin Brogan Mark Gillard 3-11-2 – – – –
Prominent, jumped left and lost position 1st, went third after 4th, soon lost touch, tailed off (tchd 12/1)
3 Other 'Runners' - ALL - PULLED UP
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i was nearly one of them until i read the form and backed the 2nd instead
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The Lion King fans could also have backed this "Demon Of War" as well.
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I remember the race when Vitani was 2nd - complete farce of a race where nothing was put into the race - we'll see if the winner is a world beater - it just might be I suppose
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Was out on his feet at the end, doubt he'll amount to much, pinched a lead on this front runners track and just held on imo.
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Sorry Stewarts - I wasn't clear - I meant the horse that beat it in a canter the time before
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tolo thinks a horse 000000 simply cannot beat a horse 111111.
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i fink i was infurring the opposite
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Coevers. 1967. Six duck eggs and evens fav. Won. Taught me so much.
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Amazed Gaze 733 has not posted saying ...
'2nds Never Lose' ... 'beaten Lengths don't matter - just the '2' will do'.  |
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mitolo 16 Jul 23 15:16
i was nearly one of them until i read the form tolo thinks a horse 000000 simply cannot beat a horse 111111.  |
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indeed. i saw the 2 and the 50/1 on offer and checked why and decided it was correct, so didnt back it as form of 222222222 cannot beat 111111111
you misinterpret. next time i will make it bleedin obvious, just for you |
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leave mitolo alone - Rico ...
He is one of the good guys - and, at least, honest, too - who has just done himself out of a 58.0 Winner.... albeit, no doubt, to only a small 'passing interest' stake |
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thanks for your concern onlooker but its misplaced. who you calling a good guy? i have zero need of any support, quite the reverse
and i was going to go full-bank sh1t or bust all-in |
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OL/tolo
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i was 11111 the day i raced john regis
john was still fav .... |
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you sure it wasnt Cyrille Regis?
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What was your vest No 108?
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Cyril Smith beat hulk giving 7lbs!!
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Plenty of punters picking their selections from the daily rags, my late father one of them, last time out second one of his methods.
Poor bloke had four winners up only once.  |
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Clive Holt wrote a book around form figures regardless of what type of race or rise or fall in class,gave the form figures eg 4 for a win 3 for a second etc plus points for a course win or C & D win etc.
He had some big priced winners using the method but some horrendous days,he tried various courses for his experiment and ended up disappointed if memory serves. |
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regardless of what type of race
pmsl so 2nd in a 2 runner race at redcar beaten half a mile trumps 5th in the Arc beaten a length ... |
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Actually Hulk, yes, that's where Holt's "formula" would have taken you. But that might just have thrown up the 100/1 winner that accounted for his profitability. As I recall, the ads were fully of 20/1+ winners as examples of the potency of the system, but if you happened to have the ability to open a formbook and read the words and numbers on the page, you'd very soon be avoiding the big ones.
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get the same results just randomly backing outsiders. no Holt required.
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Yep! If you ignored the rubbish formula, the book was actually pretty good. The first time I ever read anything about value prices, preceding Mark Coton by several years.
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That formula had points for C&D ,Cse & Distance wnrs aswell.
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We all create great backstories about FORM working out, WHEN it works out ..... it's convenient to forget the just as frequent form reversals, turnarounds and just downright makes no sense results. This game is almost as much bingo as bingo. You might even have a better chance at bingo as, in the racing game, there are many forces outside your control and knowledge - randomness and skullduggery of the highest order of course being the main ones.
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I think Clive Holt added the place figures points per win etc…
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That is what most doing their bollox say shooda!!
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No he did not Quixall as far as my memory goes,I knew Clive fo a fair few years btw,noted on here when he passed!! His trial was only win,stand corrected if wrong?
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Points per win points per second points for third zzzz add them up and punt ffs
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Ahead of the game 2 years running.
Click on my handle/Photo gallery for proof. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UwpOM0chTzuOlSQ-mY0jLuxfVWUpxQE_9bbFgLu1dfc/edit#gid=1007032011 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_NbwCB7bvZhuTUFzjK5tzv5rEwBss-h05hKGENL9v-o/edit#gid=903715697 |
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@Cagliari - regarding "bollox" - TRUE :D
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Very good - and nicely documented - happysandwich
But - What is the relevance, or correlation, to the Title of this Thread ? You do not say anything. |
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Funny you should say that Manoleeds - I was just actually gonna let it pass!
However the first (recent) time that he started spamming this crap again on Andrew's thread - the very next day, he "accidentally" misses out a winner at BFSP of 4.03!   Zoukster (19:00 Goodwood) 9th June. Probably better just to drop it - and save him the embarrassment of anybody taking a closer look!  |
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Regarding this actual thread (before the praise-seeker arrived); the concept is very "gazesque" i.e. always or never do something based on some often irrelevant or meaningless numbers, regardless of any context.
Broadly speaking it's for the lazy and the ignorant. Context is everything. Anybody saying different is trying to con you or sell you something along the lines of The Holy Grail. Sadly, (apart from fast pictures obviously) there isn't any substitute for knowledge, hard work, good ideas and some originality of thinking imo. |
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Onlooker,
“Boris’ Bottle” was my winter fuel allowance I put into Betfair on 15th Dec ‘21 On 1st January ’23 I withdrew £208.74. “Happy’s Monkey” is £500 of last years winnings. https://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/happysandwich/large/ad9e36343c6d24e01ae2a917b4acae53.png?v=269550 |
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That's all well and good - But ...
You have not answered ... What have your Selections/Results got to do with THIS Thread? |
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You're not supposed to ask awkward questions onlooker - just give him a pat on the back and say well done!
Reality is not part of the system! |