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Interesting article by Donn McLean in the Sunday Times
Interesting article by Donn McLean in the Sunday Times
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So you don't think on-line bookmakers* are predatory? And therefore children don't need protecting from them?
*Obviously I use the term bookmaker laughingly - because they are mostly just fronts for slots and casinos. As per the jolly people at Gala Bingo that sponsor the Chase (masquerading as a bingo site but just 70 slot machines on their home page). |
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I think applying a watershed to betting ads will have no positive impact whatsoever.
What children are being taught/indoctrinated with in schools as fact, such as white privilege, is more damaging by a factor of 10000. But politicians concentrate on things that they think will keep twatter happy, and have no positive real world impact. The caveat is that I have not been back to Ireland for many years. I am assuming it is similar to here. |
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That's too political for me to bother with - I thought we were just discussing the rights and wrongs of protecting children from harm.
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Yes an I'm saying this will have absolutely no positive impact on the intended/claimed objective. But, if I see any evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to be persuaded.
The wider point is that politicians dedicate most of their time to things that will have little or no positive impact in the real world (most of what they do impacts us negatively). Whether that is deliberate or not I suppose is the political element. |
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On it's own, you're probably right. TV has a diminishing impact and most of the other (higher impact) mediums are a law unto themselves or a free for all/wild west.
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screaming from beneaththewaves • July 16, 2023 5:01 PM BST
Dave: Isn't RTV's whole point that an advert-free broadcast would be unaffordable? Perhaps they could implement a higher subscription fee for Southern Irish viewers, and get around it that way? I'd be stunned if having no gambling adverts for the Irish subscribers reduced their revenue significantly. My main point is, that it isn't difficult to have a separate Irish feed devoid of ads and bookies' liars telling us that they've taken huge bets on the class 6 handicap sprint. |
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irrelevant
nothing children see on the idiot box is likely to have any effect when compared to the offensive dangerous garbage they access, in secret, from what are called phones, but are in reality high-powered pcs |
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''minister of state at the Department of Justice and Law Reform, James Browne,''
Another meddling out of touch leftie. Put one in charge of something and they're sure to foul it up. |
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I suspect we can all agree, the internet (and unrestricted access) can be pernicious for children. Most parents don't appear to care, tho. It's certainly not something that can be remedied via central legislation, bolted horse.
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Dave: I'd be stunned if having no gambling adverts for the Irish subscribers reduced their revenue significantly.
I don't want to argue with that, because I don't have the figures. But the whole basis of this controversy is that RTV say that they will not broadcast in Southern Ireland if they can't show adverts for gambling, and that's it. They may be bluffing. Who knows? But that's what they've said, and that's why there's all the hoo-hah. No one has suggested that they might be bluffing. |
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Someone posted on here a question about RTVs claim that all profits go back into racing. I found out some information, but the structure is extremely convoluted and opaque. It's very easy to get your subscription knocked down to a tenner, and they don't do that much to court new subs either.
But they also haemorrhage money on the on screen 'talent', often employing people totally unnecessarily to sit in the studio. Oft discussed, Nevo offers very little but is still there on a very busy day, today nobody in the studio with only two meetings. Yesterday they had Lydia. Nick and a Dixon at Newmarket. Lots go on a jolly for a big Irish meeting, all exes covered no doubt. Their production is pretty good imo, so they don't lack for resourcing behind the glass (downstairs). It's quite an interesting set up for a finance geek like me. Even how those seemingly paid for slots masquerading as interviews pass the legality test. It's ran almost like a not for profit (eg a council spending other peoples' cash) |
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How anyone can say that kids in Betting shops or pubs and clubs will not influence their future behaviour is beyond belief and ditto advertising not influencing the same!! That apart it is obvious that advertising revenue is paramount to RTV in keeping the broadcasts sustainable,not so different on ITV either,cut the ads revenue for gambling and it would be a different schedule.
Also agree with TM about the ads content on mainstream tv in the UK skewing what is real and portraying gays and ethnics as the normal make up of the UK having only seen a minimal amount on my visits.The UK seems in a minority for the type of portrayal on mainstream tv that nobody sensible could argue does not influence youngsters? |
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@sfbth - I can only assume that they are excluding the possibility of a separate Irish stream and speculating on the result of all their advertising revenue ending.
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Fair point, dave. I see what you're getting at now.
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The hypothetical scenario of allowing kids to enter a betting shop is not the debate here. What age do people stay up after 9pm? I'd say 10/11. Are 10/11 year olds going to gambling addicts as there were some betting ads on the telly 7 years ago. Obviously not. This is just appeasing legislation to appear to be taking action over a perceived issue.
The real issues are poor parenting and poor education, and abdication of responsibility to the state. Not a betting ad on ITV racing ! |
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Oh its hypothetical now Cider?
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Allowing kids into a betting shop (without being able to bet) is. Personally I'd have no objection but it's moot, will never happen and not something that anyone is lobbying for.
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Do you have children or grandchildren Cider? Pertinent question imo because you seem to miss the point of the power of advertising and the impact it has on young minds,never mind the parents.
Maybe billions are spent by the companies just for fun? |
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Couldn't the Irish breeding industry step in with adverts for their stallions to fill the gap left by the bookie ban, after all they make huge amounts of money from racing and thanks i believe to Bertie Ahern most of it tax free,
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brilliant idea brainbox
cos rtv sibscribers betting 2 quid a race are all susceptible to coolmore blandishments and cant wait to spend 100k to get their mares covered by one of their stallions |
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Yes probably worded that wrong, perhaps i meant couldn't Coolmore pay for features about their stallions on RTV during racing rather than getting free coverage, might make the other huge breeding operations promote theirs as well to generate revenue.
Still think that reply was funny though, brainbox, |