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dont think its going well atmoment and really short on runners these last few days, but easterby had a terrible run and has come back so hope charlie boy throwing multiple darts all over the country comes back soon, we need him to have a few winners
^ Why?
Just like his Father ... He is a menace on any Racecard
Just like his Father ... He is a menace on any Racecard
He didn’t look to pleased at the journos at Newmarket getting too close during the interview,barging in desperation..ffs
They don’t care about the fodder just like any other yard….accounts at the end of the season….count the profits…
onlooker
^ Why?
Just like his Father ... He is a menace on any Racecard
i agree he is looking worse and i never thought that possible, but he will have some well handicapped horses they way its going, but i do need him to find a few winners as it gives the facade he is doing well and they start shorter especially after a win
^ Why?
Just like his Father ... He is a menace on any Racecard
i agree he is looking worse and i never thought that possible, but he will have some well handicapped horses they way its going, but i do need him to find a few winners as it gives the facade he is doing well and they start shorter especially after a win
so unlucky today was charlie boy 3, 2nds and they all looked like they would win and just headed, so plenty runners Saturday, surely his luck will change those darts must hit sometime soon, im wondering who is placing the horses in these races is he doing it himself as he cant be paying a pro to do it?
He’s flying 3winners Saturday 2winners yesterday, showing daddy how it should be done
There is a real touch of irony behind today's story in the RP where Charlie bemoans losing a talented horse to America.
With a stable of over 200 horses I've always thought the Johnston stable have massively underperformed when it's come to Classics and G1s over the years. Lots of wins but not as many group races as they should have. It's a long time between Mister Baileys and Attraction
They're fine if you want some boat running round Hamilton or Catterick over 1m4f+ but found out at the top table too often. They have some owners with deep pockets too so not quite sure what the problem should be.
With a stable of over 200 horses I've always thought the Johnston stable have massively underperformed when it's come to Classics and G1s over the years. Lots of wins but not as many group races as they should have. It's a long time between Mister Baileys and Attraction
They're fine if you want some boat running round Hamilton or Catterick over 1m4f+ but found out at the top table too often. They have some owners with deep pockets too so not quite sure what the problem should be.
placing of his horses are not good he ran one this week in a group 3 after winning a piddly race and it was 50/1 finished stone last, why would you do that when its not got any chance at all, just dosent add up and he will be losing lots more the way its going
Charlie Johnston has described seeing some of his best young horses sold to race abroad as "demoralising to say the least" as he prepares three-year-old Lion Of War to run his last race for the yard.
Johnston was speaking to the Racing Post for a major interview in Sunday's newspaper on the eve of Glorious Goodwood, a week he acknowledges is his most important of the year given the stable's traditionally strong record at the meeting. He also discusses his frustration at not being given the opportunity to train more of the most expensive yearlings, his surprise at just how different things have been since his record-breaking father Mark came off the training licence and his ambition to step up on the yard's high standards.
Johnston will cut short his trip next week to take a trip across the Atlantic to saddle Lion Of War in the Grade 1 Saratoga Derby Invitational, a $600,000 turf race for three-year-olds on Saturday. The Qatar Racing colt, second in the Golden Gates Stakes at Royal Ascot last time, will then stay to continue his career in the US in what has become a familiar frustration for Johnston.
"Every time you have a good winner these days someone will be straight on the phone trying to buy it," he said. "More than 50 per cent of the time it is to go abroad, and if you're lucky, they might leave the horse with you until the end of the season. We all know the economics for owners but it's demoralising to say the least."
'We're now without all of them'
Group 1 winner Dubai Mile also left Johnston in order to be campaigned abroad by Freddie and Martyn Meade, although plans are on hold for him following a setback this week, while injuries to other leading horses, notably Subjectivist, have left the trainer searching for a star.
"Dubai Mile has been sold and Subjectivist retired," Johnston reflected. "We also lost Dance In The Grass, who was injured ahead of the Oaks after she ran a nice race [to finish fifth] in the 1,000 Guineas. They were the three highest-rated horses we had at the start of the year and we're now without all of them.
"It's an old adage that the good ones get injured more frequently. There is truth in that, because the good ones will go into the red zone more frequently. I'm sure plenty of others are in the same boat with injuries and horses sold on. It's just something we have to combat and look to fill the void."
Read more from Charlie Johnston in The Big Read, available in Sunday's newspaper or online for Members' Club Ultimate subscribers from 6pm on Saturday. Click here to sign up.
Charlie Johnston has described seeing some of his best young horses sold to race abroad as "demoralising to say the least" as he prepares three-year-old Lion Of War to run his last race for the yard.
Johnston was speaking to the Racing Post for a major interview in Sunday's newspaper on the eve of Glorious Goodwood, a week he acknowledges is his most important of the year given the stable's traditionally strong record at the meeting. He also discusses his frustration at not being given the opportunity to train more of the most expensive yearlings, his surprise at just how different things have been since his record-breaking father Mark came off the training licence and his ambition to step up on the yard's high standards.
Johnston will cut short his trip next week to take a trip across the Atlantic to saddle Lion Of War in the Grade 1 Saratoga Derby Invitational, a $600,000 turf race for three-year-olds on Saturday. The Qatar Racing colt, second in the Golden Gates Stakes at Royal Ascot last time, will then stay to continue his career in the US in what has become a familiar frustration for Johnston.
"Every time you have a good winner these days someone will be straight on the phone trying to buy it," he said. "More than 50 per cent of the time it is to go abroad, and if you're lucky, they might leave the horse with you until the end of the season. We all know the economics for owners but it's demoralising to say the least."
'We're now without all of them'
Group 1 winner Dubai Mile also left Johnston in order to be campaigned abroad by Freddie and Martyn Meade, although plans are on hold for him following a setback this week, while injuries to other leading horses, notably Subjectivist, have left the trainer searching for a star.
"Dubai Mile has been sold and Subjectivist retired," Johnston reflected. "We also lost Dance In The Grass, who was injured ahead of the Oaks after she ran a nice race [to finish fifth] in the 1,000 Guineas. They were the three highest-rated horses we had at the start of the year and we're now without all of them.
"It's an old adage that the good ones get injured more frequently. There is truth in that, because the good ones will go into the red zone more frequently. I'm sure plenty of others are in the same boat with injuries and horses sold on. It's just something we have to combat and look to fill the void."
Read more from Charlie Johnston in The Big Read, available in Sunday's newspaper or online for Members' Club Ultimate subscribers from 6pm on Saturday. Click here to sign up.
If you've got numbers behind you, you should be winning races and they do.
But not enough of the ones that actually matter.
But not enough of the ones that actually matter.
Charlie Johnston: 'I've been thinking about Goodwood all year - we have to do well there'
Day one
13/13 - 9/4 jolly
16/18
13/18
13/15
11/13
old man got out just in time.
could be losing more hosses at this rate.
Day one
13/13 - 9/4 jolly
16/18
13/18
13/15
11/13
old man got out just in time.
could be losing more hosses at this rate.
bethel,burke,ryan,easterby all having success at big gigs last few yrs with far less ammo than the johnsons
He's chucked Saffie and first time blinkers on his rag in the first.
yeehah!
yeehah!
Almost always been profitable to follow Johnston horses at this meeting.
But soft ground changes everything.
But soft ground changes everything.
only if youve backed every johnson horse that runs in every race in the past,impossible to cherry pick all his winners without betting them all blind
He is not used to the pressure and been all over the press about goodwood and he has put that pressure on himself and I said yesterday I don’t think he will have a winner but throwing the darts I hope for his sake he has a few as it’s a big responsibility to carry on his young shoulders and people’s employment are relying on him so just for that I’m hoping he bags a few, somethings not right at the stables and I hope he can manage to turn it around
said that knockbrex which got beat again in small field at ayr last week,was one of their best 3 yr olds so doesnt say much about the rest it was his nap in dante handicap meeting ,and got stuffed as fav
Struth and Barnwell Boy both sound ew chances for him today.
(hope so).
(hope so).
Struth 6/11
8/11
11/11 had 3 in race.
Barnwell Boy 8/8
So no better so far today, although, tbf he said before the meeting most of his horses want quick ground.
8/11
11/11 had 3 in race.
Barnwell Boy 8/8
So no better so far today, although, tbf he said before the meeting most of his horses want quick ground.
backed this IN THESE SHOES when well fancied to win at beverley in heavy when never going a yd and 1st beaten few £ ew 1st 4 at 22.s +,
might break their duck
might break their duck
Trying to remember a Johnston horse that won here,SDS might've been on.
Come from off the pace?
Godolphin bought it,don't think it done much after,sure it came stone last
or thereabouts on it's 1st run in their colours.
Come from off the pace?
Godolphin bought it,don't think it done much after,sure it came stone last
or thereabouts on it's 1st run in their colours.
Yeh,that's sounds like the horse,cheers.
Sure Godolphin paid quite a few quid for that.
Sure Godolphin paid quite a few quid for that.
Charlie needs a winner and I just hope he bags one as it’s not been a good one his dad was champion trainer here for 9 years over 90 winners, should have shut the stable down weeks ago to try cure whatever is going around, the bonus is some well handicapped horses when they do come back
Charlie needs a winner and I just hope he bags one as it’s not been a good one his dad was champion trainer here for 9 years over 90 winners, should have shut the stable down weeks ago to try cure whatever is going around, the bonus is some well handicapped horses when they do come back
Last 7 days; 43 runners, all losers.
Certainly needs a pick me up.
Certainly needs a pick me up.
not sure you,d count 2nd and 3rd in a £150,000 handicap as losers either betting ew wise or prize money wise
you can have your horses in tip top form,perfect ground,draw run of race etc etc and still get chinned in a 20 runner £150,000 handicap,won a group race last week
If you lay or back you ain’t bothered about any prize money he lost the 150 k race and he’s losing bigtime but the winning run follows a losing run it’s how bad that losing run carries on and he needs to break that run quickly
as his dads out there trying to keep racing go,this must fancy one before the end of day
As pointed out he was really bragging how he was going into good wood and he’d been planning the year around the meeting, somebody needs to tell him he had terrible form for the last 2 months and should not have done the bragging up, Sod’s Law happens hopefully learns from it and carries on as I’ve done really well and hope he carries on the the family tradition of throwing darts and the odd one goes in
Spirit Catcher's previous run: "Eighth of 9 in handicap at Ascot (8f, good to soft, 8/1) 21 days ago, the quirky side of his nature holding him back." (Ring price: 6/1 13/2 7/1 13/2 7/1 15/2 8/1) SP 8/1
Today: (Morning price: 13/2 6/1 11/2 6/1 11/2 5/1 4/1)
(Ring price: 9/2 4/1) SP 4/1
The gambling clairvoyants dismissed the "quirks".. and voila.
Today: (Morning price: 13/2 6/1 11/2 6/1 11/2 5/1 4/1)
(Ring price: 9/2 4/1) SP 4/1
The gambling clairvoyants dismissed the "quirks".. and voila.
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