RTV's wage bill for presenters/pundits...

folk like Gordon Brown slobbering over people like Gordon Elliot at every opportunity...

Donn Mclean must be the most boring person ever created on God's earth and he picks up money for saying everyone is great / every winning ride is wonderful and at the same time has never spotted a non trier in his life (or one he would say so on air at least)...

i could go on but the head honchos at RTV really should be asking themselves why they need all these presenters / pundits and do they really earn the money they get.

If Jonathan Needham , Eddie Freemantle etc worked for £10 an hour freeing up £x , how would that £x go back into racing?

RTV says all it's profits go back in to racing...

racing losing out on millions imv just so folk like The Horsewatchers can have a cosy lifestyle...

talking of which...

Chris Dixon on at Beverley again today...

can't remember the last time one of the Dixon numpties wasn't on RTV tbh.

Is there anything you don't moan about you miserable old goat?

17 runner race...

Amy Ryan and Chris Dixon give a couple of sentences on a few horses pre-race that anyone could have come up with and if anyone bases their bets on what they say then god fkn help them imv.

a total waste of money having these folk on imv.

just trying to do what's best for racing UFS.

But how do the profits go back into racing? Let's suppose RTV makes a profit of £1m -who gets the £1m

The only surprise about this thread is the delay in Mitolo turning up to rubbish Sky Sports Racing.

i ain't got a clue ManoLeeds...

i'm just telling you that is what RTV tells it's audience...

i'd rather money went in to horse racing in general than helping to fund The Horsewatchers project and give folk like Paul Mulrennan a nice little earner.

sorry about that-just nipped out to the offie

rtv is well worth it despite the recent influx of twerps like this jones geezer. the dixons are worth having on and are punters-the baldy one is always worth a listen and i will re-visit my opinion after hearing his neesom is the best of all. pundits arent a problem its the presenters like harding and lightweight. although i dont see the need for 3 of em at beverley

compare them to the dismal creatures on the garbage channel. luck hislop gob or ryle mapletoft boyce?

will this do?

if you are basing your selection on what the Dixon Brothers say then i feel very very sorry for you mitolo...

that pair must make a fortune from RTV...

barely a day goes by without one of them being on...

why anyone would listen to them is beyond me.

But how do the profits go back into racing? Let's suppose RTV makes a profit of £1m -who gets the £1m


Had a quick look, it's owned by a parent company, RMG. The racecourses themselves are the shareholders of RMG. So 'profits back into racing' means paid back out to the racecourse 'owners'.

Racecourse Media Group (RMG) will pay racecourses £117.6 million in payments generated from their media and data rights in 2022 – compared to £110m in 2021.

The payments are derived from a range of RMG businesses, including via betting shops (Racecourse Retail Business), online bookmaker streams (Digital Streaming), pay TV channel (Racing TV), international betting (Racing TV International) and non-betting distribution, mainstream TV (ITV agreement) and data (Racecourse Data Company).

There is no broken down financial information for RTV in the public domain that I could find. But I only did a 2 minute search.

cheers Cider...

still cannot understand why they would want to make Paul Mulrennan an ambassador year on year...

very strange imv.

thanks for the sympathy. i didnt say that and fwiw both of them are winning punters and have been for a long time

RMG:

This is a revolutionary approach to sports media rights management and allows the racecourses to own, manage and exploit their intellectual property across all platforms. All profits are returned to the courses.

Senior Production Coordinator:


Overview of position:


Day to day management of production staff; production and update of staff rosters, managing annual leave requests and sickness cover (includes out of hours) via absence management system.

Day to day management of freelance staff; arranging bookings and training / shadow dates, negotiate fees, assist process of employment / freelancer contracts.

Day to day management of production related schedules; TX schedules, EPG schedules, edit suites.


.https://www.racingtv.com/Productioncontroller

I think it might be:

Kirstie Mitchell-Brown
Senior Production Coordinator, Floor Manager and Gallery PA

both of them are winning punters and have been for a long time

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aye sure they are.

This is a revolutionary approach to sports media rights management and allows the racecourses to own, manage and exploit their intellectual property across all platforms.

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but when some dongbell turns up and flies his drone over the vicinity of the racecourse and sells the pictures to his clients we just let them carry on and do nowt about it...

well done indeed.

both of them are winning punters and have been for a long time

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Chris Dixon is such a good punter he also has time to be a jockeys agent / be on RTV virtually 7 days a week and also do whatever he does for David O'Meara...

of course he is.

Thanks Cider
So if a racecourse got an extra £500 000 due to RTV presenters being paid less would it
1. Go the shareholders of that racecourse
2. Be used to improve the stable block /car parking/private boxes
3. Be used for bonuses for the clerk of the course/senior executives
4. Improve prizemoney

obviously it goes in to the big pot for the racecourse and they divi it up how they want to divi it up...

much rather that than giving it to presenters / pundits to tell us the first 3 favourites have a decent chance of winning a race and a colt bred by Galileo out of Minding is a well bred type.

I was at Beverley today,Stanley was there too.

Used to be £500/day, probably around £650 now with exs on top.

As for the pundits, of course they know a lot more of what is going on. You will not here it broadcast of course.

£650 plus expenses...

deary me...

some work if you can get it...

£650 for mainly talking a load of pi$h / saying every jockey/trainer/owner is a wonderful human being / never seeing any wrongdoing despite it happening on a daily basis / and reading out basic stuff that anyone who has any sort of clue about racing could come up with / and throw in a few stats like 'Gordon Elliot has had 8 winners in the last 2 days' always makes it sound like you are a top professional...

the money going out of racing from RTV for this garbage is unbelievable...

racecourses constantly claiming they ain't got no money...

cut out all these presenters / pundits and you might well have a few more extra £'s to play with...

coz if any RTV subscriber subscribes to listen to presenters/pundits i'd be absolutely shocked...

and that's before we even get to Paul Mulrennan and his ambassadorial role...

some ambassador.

so it's fair to assume that the presenters/pundits at Beverley yesterday cost £2k...

laughable really.

most of them failed punters

An extremely stupid and bitter thread. You obviously have a problem with successful people.

not successful people mainly just who mummy and daddy are

^another small-minded idiot joins the resentful whinger-fest

^ From someone who continually rubbishes Sky Sports presenters.

The vast majority of things they come out with you should be able to find out yourself. The only thing they can really add are paddock inspection and again the vast majority seemingly make that up as they go along. I have never heard anyone suggest that a horse has been turned out badly, and if that were true then it would render observation pointless.

If you switch to RTV Extra at 15.30 when a race is due off at 15.50, it's pretty boring without the pundits talking away. Of course some are better than others but I enjoy listening to Jonathan Neesom, Lydia Hislop, Eddie Freemantle and Stuart Machin.£650 a day seems reasonable when you consider that they don't work everyday, are self employed so don't get holiday or sick pay and have to make their own pension provisions.

£650 a day. I retired in 2019 .I never earned more than £1250 a month all my working life.

and another one. i rubbish sky presenters because they are indeed rubbish

and i was on about pundits, not presenters. rtv has neesom mellish fremantle the dixons, all worth having on course. fremantle and mellsih have been pro-punters for decades. dunno about neesom, but hes steered punters in the right direction many times

well worth 20 quid a month

Jun 12, 2023 -- 4:05PM, hong kong fooey wrote:

£650 a day. I retired in 2019 .I never earned more than £1250 a month all my working life.

That will be true for most of us but people like Eddie are at the top of the tree . Pick any industry and the few at the top get paid way above the average.

I agree some of these pundits are very good. But how do they keep their accounts open? In my heaviest
betting years between 2000 and 2018  i had a lot of accounts restricted, so as not to make it worth while. Do you have to work for tv to keep an account open.

£2.600 per month for Nevison…..?

£2.600 per month for Nevison…..?

Agree with mitolo in the main , really like the RUK coverage in its entirety and as for pundits / tipsters or whatever you like to call them it's immaterial to me as it's in one ear and out the other , it's the coverage i like including the races themselves , all the chat between races and the likes of Luck on Sunday.

As for Sky racing it isn't not in the same league as RUK but far better than we've had in the past , remember the bad old days of racing once a week if you were lucky and having to get results from teletext.

As for what these guys & gals get paid i've no interest tbh but all i know is that for coverage we've never had it so good.


Good luck all 

Some pundits add value but for ones like Graham Cunningham, who tried to make a go of it in the real world with his tipping service that was a disaster, the next best thing is to get a gig on RTV talking all day about what could and couldn't happen in each race.

^now thats true. gc is useless. as is the bedford pox

That will be true for most of us but people like Eddie are at the top of the tree

You mean the same Eddie who checks out how smartly dressed connections are in order to decide whether a horse is fancied or not so they will look smart or not in the celebratory winners photo

RUK is generally excellent, far better value at £20 a month than the Racing Post at £5 an issue (ridiculous!).
Stuart Machin/Jonathan Neesom  are an excellent duo for entertainment value. Lydia,Nick Luck and Ruby/Gary in Ireland are top of the tree.
Agree the Dixon twins are on far too much and their Humberside drawl grates after a while, also agree they state the obvious about horses being back to their last winning handicap mark etc etc and  lets just quote the Racing Post spotlights comments.
Read somewhere they get about £2k a day for course summariser role.

Agree RUK is excellent and worth every penny   

how do you stay employed as an ruk course rep,when
your fellow guest,s embarrassed to work with you
anchors in studio take pish out of you
jocks,trainer,s eyc embarrassed by your interviews
maybe PETER NAUGHTON has the answer

today one meeting but 4 presenters/pundits...surely too many

RTV might be saving a few quid here...


Paul Mulrennan
@PMulrennan
·
3h
Sponsorship opportunity for 2025 after 9 very successful years with
@racingtv
our partnership is due to end I can’t thank them enough for all their support over the years after another successful season I am keen offer out myself for a new sponsor #PJM DM if interested

I don’t think they Are paid that well.talking live on screen a lot of days is stressful.wether they talk shoite or not,is a matter of opinion.

Travelling,away from home family life.
Compare that to lineker,2 hours a week.for 500k a year.not live.

Whether it’s on run or live on itv on grand national day,still takes the same skill.

Racing is lucky for all its coverage and the presenters it has.

Bigging up a walk over or a complete card of 4 runner races takes some doing.

good work GEORGE...

9 years of sponsoring Mulrennan...

the mind boggles as to the folk who actually make these decisions.

I tried to rejoin last week, computer says no.

no idea why Mulrennan is bothering looking for a new sponsor anyway...

coz if Betfair are giving 500k for the jockey doing the most/best tweets (to help the public understand them more) then surely all he has to do is get him and Adele doing a daily gardening tip tweet...

or a daily cookery/baking tweet...

or a daily 'this is how Jim Goldie's horses will run today' tweet...

aye jolly good.

looks like other broadcasters are looking at their presenter wage bills now (not before bl00dy time imv)...

no new contract for Gary Lineker...

and sounds like Zoe Ball is the same...

all these 'impossible to replace' folk have been getting ridiculous sums from the public purse for doing a rather simple job lots of 'lesser lights' could do for much less money...

looks like the Cost of Living Crisis has at long last hit the crazy world of broadcasting and the penny has dropped that these huge earners ARE in fact replaceable with 'lesser lights'.

I record all racing and pick my moments.
As regards presenters pundits.
I respect their knowledge first and foremost.
MC is top of my list for knowledge.
R Hoiles combines knowledge and presentation skills.
I asked a presenter recently 'how do you get your bets on'. He told me he is allowed to get on with Bet 365 for reasonable amounts.

Surely it's the bookmakers who are RTV's main income resulting in them having money to throw at the masses of pundits? I often go up to Catterick for a day out and it's certainly a walk in the park for Hannity & co up there,good luck to them I guess.

As regards presenters pundits.
I respect their knowledge first and foremost.

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knowledge like...

by Galileo out of Minding...

it's a well bred sort...?

something that was once handicapped at 90 and is now running off a mark of 65 is well handicapped ?

i mean all this 'knowledge' nonsense is just basic stuff anyone could say...

it's by Presenting so it will like faster ground...

just cliched basic nonsense imv.

the whole point of having so-called 'experts' is that they bring stuff to the table the normal bloke in the street wouldn't think of...

none of them do imv...

which is why they are an unnescessary part of the coverage (in my view).

the once 90 rated horse now rated 75 always gets a mention in case it wins and they have failed to mention but always caveated with its dropped 15 lb for a reason so basically telling you not to back it

it's just all very BASIC cliched claptrap that anyone on here could spout out and regurgitate 1tp...

yet somehow they get branded 'experts'...

laughable imv.

Can't believe nobody's mentioned fran berry . Worth the subs alone . And lot more are worth listening to for different reasons .

After the every growing list of presenters etc, how much actually goes "back into racing"

Can't be much, £30 quid

Has Hibby ever smiled.......?

Smiler may have a wee point though.
I watch Fanduel racing some nights on the telly and they just show the races mostly without presenters.

they show all the racing each day in UK, France, OZ, SA etc and again no presenters, just a bit of music as the horses are going down etc.

aberdonia 20 Nov 24 09:09

Has Hibby ever smiled.......?

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last time i smiled was on May 21st 2016 tbh.

HappyHibby20

Has Hibby ever smiled.......?

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last time i smiled was on May 21st 2016 tbh.



Fair play, Hibby, i believe you......I wouldnt miss presenters during the racing...A preview show would be fine , like they do on Fanduel, then the racing....Just th racing...

aberdonia 20 Nov 24 09:19
 
Smiler may have a wee point though.
I watch Fanduel racing some nights on the telly and they just show the races mostly without presenters.

they show all the racing each day in UK, France, OZ, SA etc and again no presenters, just a bit of music as the horses are going down etc.

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totally agree...

all you need is the racecourse commentator (and maybe 1 person in the studio booth)...

i've been watching the football on youtube (viaplay international)...

you get the commentator and co commentator (sometimes only a commentator)...

you get the players as they are in the tunnel...

you get the national anthems...

the commentator picks it up from there...

you get a highlights package at half time showing different angles of goals etc...

you also get shots of the crowd enjoying themselves during half time...

you then getthe players coming out for the 2nd half...

and the commentary on the 2nd half...

and it is by a country mile far better than listening to over-paid pundits at half time (and pre-match and post match) yabbering on about basic stuff any man in the street could talk about...

it's just regurgitated nonsense game after game...

these folk must be getting huge money...

it's a joke and i don't understand it one little bit...

the money going out of racing (as previously stated) must be well in to the 7 figures just for RTV...

why the actual racecourses don't tell RMG bosses they could do with their part of that money spent on presenters/pundits is something i simply do not understand...

but i don't run horse racing...

if i did it would look very differently than it does today.

Saw some folk having a go at Graham Cunningham...He was at Wetherby last weekend, there was a peaky blinders themed dress code...What does GC do on air...A big shout out to Adele Mulreannan who it seems was the best looking peaky blinder at Wetherby.

I did once have a conversation on twitter with GC and he was perfectly pleasant , but no one would miss him , infact no one did miss him when he went off to Hong Kong.

Fair play, Hibby, i believe you..Laugh....I wouldnt miss presenters during the racing...A preview show would be fine , like they do on Fanduel, then the racing....Just th racing...

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personally i think RMG/RTV are just too scared to have no presenters/pundits aberdonia...

scared folk poo poo it and end their subscriptions...

personally i very much doubt that would happen on a mass scale and you might even get some folk coming back (who are fed up with the endless amount of presenters/pundits who say nowt)...

i keep saying it but it's all about keeping the mug public thinking the game is 99.9999999% straight and everyone is a wonderful human being...

they very very rarely mention anything dodgy...

they never highlight dodgy rides...

they seem apologetic when theyhave to announce someone has got a ban or anything...

it's all centred around showing the mug public that horse racing is a wonderful sport full of wonderful human beings...

it's certainly ain't the way i see horse racing and i feel like the broadcasters are insulting my intelligence by painting the picture they do...

that is why i left RTV...

along with my annoyance at them having the ambassador they have had for 9 years...

an utterly hideous decision imv.

i did actually hear that aberdonia...

my view is that nobody (or very few folk) would miss ANY of them...

RTV/RMG clearly feels differently tho.

i do miss Patrick Kinghorn mind.......why he b ggerd off to the Far East, ive no idea..lol

i can honestly say the only bloke i thought 'oh this will be good' was Peter Harris...

years and years ago...

he got 2 gigs...

said a few things that probably didn't go down too well with the head honchos...

never appeared again...

that told me everything i needed to know about the agenda.

Whatever that Leonna MAYOR is on its100% too much…

did Tom Stanley just say 'Out for a Stroll 100/30 - i'm sure some of them will be' ?

and the pundits laughing in the background...

which is typical of this lot...

say things in a 'jokey' way from the comfort of the studio...

get them on track and ask them to point out a non trier...

COMPLETE SILENCE.

To me the staggering thing Mr Unhappy Hibby is that you involve yourself in a sport you blatantly think is bent as a corkscrew .

if it wasn't for in running i wouldn't have anything to do with it tbh.

I think John O Connell is decent (in spite of what others say on here), as is the Millman lad (can't think of his first name), and Gary OBrien knows his onions. But most of the others I just mute. In fact I mute commentators mostly too, unless there are huge fields. I would have people like John Babb on RTV, perhaps he prefers to just do radio from his home, mind. But has anyone actually found out what pundits are paid?

One of the Dixon bros will be on here to inform us no doubt.

Haydock 1:50...

RTV haydock telly director should be booted out for the late camera switch there...

using car cam with 100 yards to go is scandalous imv.

Lisa O'Neil on duty at Punchestwon today...

works for Gordon Elliot...

why is she a pundit ?

tells you everything you need to know about the punditry agenda broadcasters employ imv.

this is what these 'experts' get the big bucks for...

Lisa O'Neil...

8 runner hcap hurdle..

3/1 the filed...

'i think this is a competitive race'...

amazing knowledge that...

worth every penny of the hundreds of Euro's she's getting today.

Anyone paying £20 a month for that old rubbish needs urgent medical attention, not a backbone between them, gravy train bottom licking cowards the lot of them

They want $40 amonth with a mini box.

Leonna Mayor is on Willhill radio regularly. Actually, she's very good. I think people might just be put off by the potteries' accent