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By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 04 Jun 23 09:52
Agree with Flemenstar, seems Lihou and Live in the moment were most affected with the R/P comments for Lihou ..

Stall opened fractionally late, dwelt start, always behind, never on terms (jockey said gelding banged his head leaving the stalls; vet said post-race examination failed to reveal any abnormalities)
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 04 Jun 23 09:57
The Stewards reviewed the start, prior to clearing the race, and interviewed the Starter who explained that the stalls were tested prior to the race, as per normal procedure, and found them to be functioning correctly. They therefore noted that ALLIGATOR ALLEY, drawn 14, anticipated the start, accelerated and broke open the gates shortly before the start was effected resulting in the rider, Jason Watson, becoming unbalanced. The Stewards were satisfied that ALLIGATOR ALLEY had gained no advantage as a result of this incident. ANGLE LAND, drawn 17, anticipated the start and accelerated the gates at the same moment as the race had been effected, enabling the filly to break quickly. The Stewards further noted that stalls 16, 18, 19 and 20 had opened fractionally slower than the balance of the field and having reviewed recordings of the start in normal speed, were of the view that none of those runners’ chances were materially impacted, and they therefore took no further action.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 04 Jun 23 10:56
should be voided but they  have put themselves in a corner and because of that are in a difficult posi cos of this world pool stuff , were the higher drwn runners at a disadvantage......yes ..........did the lower drawn runners gain an advantage ........yes
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 Jun 23 10:58
good punditry on ruk saying all the early pace was low Laugh
By:
mrcombustible
When: 04 Jun 23 12:13
RP hardly mention it

Should be a void race 100%

Why is the BHA run by South Africans and Australians
By:
mrcombustible
When: 04 Jun 23 12:17
They finally mentioned it at 11.45 this morning

Epsom Dash branded a 'farce' after four stalls open late and stewards take no action
Four of the highest drawn stalls in the Epsom Dash failed to open correctly
Four of the five highest drawn stalls in the Epsom Dash failed to open on time
Credit: Racing TV
Trainer David Evans has criticised the stewards at Epsom for failing to void Saturday's Dash, calling the circumstances which saw four of the stalls open later than the other 16 as a "farce".

While acknowledging stalls 16, 18, 19 and 20 had opened "fractionally slower" than the remainder, stewards on the day decided the chances of the four runners in those stalls were not "materially impacted" by the start and therefore took no further action.

However, Evans, who trained 11-1 chance Lihou from stall 18 to finish last in the race, was adamant the start had cost his horse his chance and was left in disbelief by the judgement of the stewards.

"It just doesn't seem right that they've allowed the race to stand," said Evans. "Those four horses didn't have a chance. They're all fancied runners and they've just let it stand." 

Abergavenny based trainer David Evans by his 3 and a half furlong sand gallop at his stables Ty-Derlwyn Farm13.9.10 Pic:Edward Whitaker
David Evans: critical of stewards' judgement
Credit: Edward Whitaker
The stewards noted that Alligator Alley, drawn in stall 14, had anticipated the start, accelerated and broke open the gates shortly before the start was effected by the starter but again decided that horse had gained no advantage as a result of the incident.

As well as Lihou, 6-1 favourite Live In The Moment (stall 20), 15-2 chance Vintage Clarets (19) and 8-1 Ancient Times (16) were the other horses impacted, with Vintage Clarets in 14th faring best.

Evans added: "I can't believe they can say it hasn't materially impacted the result. But, even if they think that, they should reimburse all the expenses for those four horses, but who knows who would do that.

"My horse goes in late anyway. Hollie Doyle said he banged his head trying to anticipate the start. Then he's seen all the others go, has gone himself and banged his head again. That was it then, he had no chance."

Asked if he was planning to take any further action, Evans added: "Who would you make a complaint to and who would listen? No-one understands but it's just not on. A big day like that and four horses miss the break on the fastest track in the world. It just seems like a farce and should have been dealt with in the proper way."

The impacted stalls
Vintage Clarets, 15-2, stall 19, finishing position 14th
Ancient Times, 8-1, stall 16, 15th
Live In The Moment, 6-1f, stall 20, 17th
Lihou, 11-1, stall 18, 20th (last)

The stewards' report in full
The stewards reviewed the start, prior to clearing the race, and interviewed the starter who explained that the stalls were tested prior to the race, as per normal procedure, and found them to be functioning correctly. They therefore noted that Alligator Alley, drawn 14, anticipated the start, accelerated and broke open the gates shortly before the start was effected resulting in the rider, Jason Watson, becoming unbalanced. The stewards were satisfied Alligator Alley had gained no advantage as a result of this incident.

Angle Land, drawn 17, anticipated the start and accelerated the gates at the same moment as the race had been effected, enabling the filly to break quickly. The stewards further noted that stalls 16, 18, 19 and 20 had opened fractionally slower than the balance of the field and having reviewed recordings of the start in normal speed, were of the view that none of those runners’ chances were materially impacted, and they therefore took no further action.
By:
impossible123
When: 04 Jun 23 12:39
The stewards..."were of the view that none of those runners' chances were materially impacted, and therefore took no further action."

What a load of baloney? Materially impacted? Would that not be opened to interpretation, etc? But, those horses were negatively impacted - that's a FACT. Were others negatively impacted? Absolutely not!

The only just solution would be money-back on the affected horses. Stewards...an even playing field. Have you heard of that? If so, what does it mean?
By:
Brian
When: 04 Jun 23 12:44
Money talks. Simple as.
By:
tantpis
When: 04 Jun 23 13:18
Lets face it Horse Racing is run by another bunch of Politicians,No interest in the sport itself just generating more money.Who else can come up with the idea of Sunday Floodlit Racing and this Premiership stuff.The smaller courses are going to lose out big time as when the evenings close in earlier who wants to go to the races in the morning.They are already trying to brush under the carpet jockey suspensions,are they published regularly? We all know that you cannot produce more betting turnover by spreading meetings out as they is only so much money that punters have.As for this not affecting the result in a sprint race,get 3t raps in greyhound racing to open nearly a second late and see what happens,it affects the result every time.
By:
know all
When: 04 Jun 23 13:23
the world pool was the reason not voided, it will be the thing we will all be betting on in a few years time, it will be massive
By:
impossible123
When: 04 Jun 23 13:42
Maybe the grey market can popularise the lower division tracks by putting on non-bookie sponsored races eg in-bed with non-bookie organisation eg supermarkets, utilities, etc to stage old-fashioned races eg Schweppes, Benson & Hedges, Kennedy Construction, etc.

This premiernisation of races little doubt involved bookie sponsored races like those recently Sunday omnes are pants for horseracing and enthusiasts.
By:
tantpis
When: 04 Jun 23 13:47
If we are all betting into the world pool does that mean no bookmakers on course and like other countries more money put back into horse racing,which means admission charges come down by 75% and better facilities,which is what other countries do,I wouldnt hold your breath this is British racing we are talking about.
By:
stu
When: 04 Jun 23 13:50
Now in RP with pic:

https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/derby-festival/david-evans-laments-epsom-dash-farce-as-four-of-highest-five-stalls-open-slower-than-remainder-a7zpI0Z1Oi3t/
By:
stu
When: 04 Jun 23 13:53
Sorry for double post, but pic clear as day isn't it.
By:
onlooker
When: 04 Jun 23 14:00
tantpis 04 Jun 23 13:18 

Lets face it Horse Racing is run by another bunch of Politicians,

They are already trying to brush under the carpet Jockey Suspensions, are they published regularly?
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I would be grateful if somebody could tell me WHERE these 'Jockey SUSPENSIONS' are Published (and Updated regularly) other than a pot luck News Article.

One fairly Senior Flat Jockey has not ridden since last Monday - and has NO Booked Ride until this Wednesday.

Another Jump Jockey has been AWOL for over 10 days.

IS the Flat Jockey Suspended? -  or Injured? - Taking a week off for Injury rehab? .... Gone on Half-Term Holiday with the wife and child?

I do not know - and cannot find out - Anywhere...

Nothing on the BHA website - No Listing on Racing Post.
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 Jun 23 20:22
no or very few pre race betting shows on a £25 uk subscription channel on a world pool day
all to accommodate punters who according to lucky  dont like the name kevin in their jocks or trainers so lucky reckons your getting value on kevin ryan/kevin stott runners LaughLaugh
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