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Gaze733
30 May 23 13:10
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When I ask for a price in the place market, suddenly somebody asks for 1 tick less. Also I place backed Matloob to place second at 3.4 and it moved to 3.1 despite his win price being 8.2 before and after that.

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By:
hulk23
When: 30 May 23 13:18
When I ask for a price in the place market, suddenly somebody asks for 1 tick less

welcome to the powers £108 party Gazey. 

help yourself to some canapes and a glass of Krug Grande Cuvée.
By:
The Management
When: 30 May 23 13:45
1) If Paddy was shadowing anybody, don't you think he would pick a winning account?

2) If the price is right/wrong or even just a bit "gappy" - Everybody wants their bet at the front of the queue - including several thousand bot operators. Why would you think that you had a God-given right to stay at the front of the queue with your bad value offers?

3) Are you sure it's not somebody from Mensa or the DHSS that is shadowing you?
By:
Hayden
When: 30 May 23 13:49
Crikey Paddy following Gaze & Hulk now , who'd have thought.

God help him in a two horse race when the two sharp minds fancy different horses , he'd have to shut up shop for the day   Grin
By:
sludge
When: 30 May 23 14:04
Can this forum become even more crazy ? Obviously so .
By:
mitolo
When: 30 May 23 14:16
sell paddy shares now, just in case. gays been away for a bit and has been released into the community again but isnt taking his medication

more likely to be densa
By:
geoff m
When: 30 May 23 14:40
Hayden LaughLaughLaughLaugh. Not bright enough  to realise if theres a gap in the market your going to get botted(queue jumped). Happens to us all. They think they have a divine right to get matched @ the price they request. and everyone else should wait in turn.
Its not a queue @ the chippy FFS.
By:
geoff m
When: 30 May 23 14:44
apologies the management didnt read yer post but clearly thinking on the same lines. which appears difficult for some.
By:
Gaze733
When: 30 May 23 14:50
So let's say the gap is 3.0 and 3.4 in a place market coming up in two hours. I want to back 3.2 and a second later someobody/bot asks for 3.1. Why didn't the bot want 3.1 before that? It just happened to ask for one tick less 2 second after me as a coincidence?
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 30 May 23 15:01
arny person who wood hopefully shadow gaze is freddie kruger.
By:
ProSniper
When: 30 May 23 15:06
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By:
UnluckyForSome
When: 30 May 23 15:13
Imagine a company worth billions shadowing hulk & gazes 30 guesses per day Grin
By:
noobile
When: 30 May 23 15:16
IMO the person would have more success following his actual shadow.
By:
longbridge
When: 30 May 23 15:30
@Gaze733

"So let's say the gap is 3.0 and 3.4 in a place market coming up in two hours. I want to back 3.2 and a second later someobody/bot asks for 3.1. Why didn't the bot want 3.1 before that? It just happened to ask for one tick less 2 second after me as a coincidence?"

So
- maybe the bot was asking for 3.4 before you jumped in front of him, and now he has seen he is not at the front of the queue and has jumped you?
- maybe the bot doesn't get involved until the spread is below a certain value and you have just closed the spread to one he's happy to come inside?
- why are you assuming this is BF when - as TM says - there are hundreds if not thousands of people running automated betting strategies?
- what do you imagine would be the value to BF of BF doing this?
By:
freddiewilliams
When: 30 May 23 16:18
Hulk and gaze should meat
By:
ProSniper
When: 30 May 23 17:49
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By:
Gaze733
When: 31 May 23 13:28
The 2TBP price for Lieutenant Rascal was 1.65, I asked for 1.68 and a second later the price dropped to 1.54. I should just take whatever is on offer I guess.
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 31 May 23 14:33
Hulk and Gaze...Boy George and Adam Ant.
By:
formoftheace
When: 31 May 23 14:41
1980s ffs Swad….
By:
stu
When: 31 May 23 14:57
Hulk and Gaze must be only two people who've not heard that bots exist on the exchanges...?
They act automatically based on money entering and leaving markets, it doesn't need any Mulder and Scully investigation to work it out.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 31 May 23 14:59
LaughLaughLaugh
By:
hulk23
When: 31 May 23 18:47
Hulk and Gaze must be only two people who've not heard that bots exist on the exchanges...?

stu.  stop being a thick cnt ffs

of course there are bots.  question is this - is it fair that paddy is using a bot on here, which he unquestionably is (the £108 bets are his. i think i've proven that), given that he has access to a wealth of information that joe public, and his bot, does not have ? 

ask your mate rico ... he also seems to know paddy's hard at it
By:
impossible123
When: 31 May 23 19:04
Bookies are scumbags. Any advantage to be gained bookies will deploy to achieve that even their grandmothers - if they could get away with it - for a quick profit; bookies are very self-entitlement oriented.
By:
Hayden
When: 31 May 23 19:49
I've just adjusted my algorithm , instructed the BOT to ignore all Hulk & Gaze bets.
By:
blackbarn
When: 31 May 23 19:58
Just read and enjoyed this thread.  Some on here are beyond belief.  Anyway, I enjoyed some of the ripostes, my favourite so far being.............
Geoff's "It's not a queue at the chippy ffs".  LaughLaugh
By:
blackbarn
When: 31 May 23 20:11
Although not a riposte, this made me giggle............"Also I place backed Matloob to place second at 3.4 and it moved to 3.1 despite his win price being 8.2 before and after"
By:
hulk23
When: 31 May 23 20:17
I've just adjusted my algorithm , instructed the BOT to ignore all Hulk & Gaze bets.

problem with that hayden, is your bot can't differentiate between individual accounts / bets

paddy's can ... and a whole lot more.  because he has access to all sorts of information you've not got.   

so is that a level playing field .... probably not ?
By:
hulk23
When: 31 May 23 20:20
if you see £450 looking to get on one at 5.3

you might think, wow.  someone fancies that.

but paddy knows £448 of that is house money.  and someone wants 2 quid on it.
By:
freddiewilliams
When: 31 May 23 20:33
Someone fancies one if 450 looking 5.3
Jeez . How many people are trading or backing in one race
By:
freddiewilliams
When: 31 May 23 20:33
Hundreds
By:
longbridge
When: 31 May 23 20:51
hulk, I know you believe all this, but nothing that I have seen that you have posted proves to me your assertion that this money is "Paddy's" nor how you believe doing so is profitable for "him".
By:
hulk23
When: 31 May 23 21:15
nobody can 'prove it' bridge.   paddy knows that.  the regulation isn't fit for purpose and nobody at kpmg, for all they can do a cashflow statement and a balance sheet, has a clue about the exchanges, never have.    if i said to you i'm placing 25 bets tomorrow, i want you to stick a £108 bet into the market one tick under or over mine in order to move the market away from my bet.  you would immediately say how do i know which bets are yours ?  answer is, you don't.  nobody does.  except paddy. 

unfortunately, that gives the game away as to who is placing those bets. 

in my opinion Wink
By:
hulk23
When: 31 May 23 21:23
the £108 that appeared wanting on at 5.2 when i put money up looking for 5.3 at the start of that 3 mile chase.

(a) you normally only see £5's, £8's at that stage of a long race and (b) it just happened to be £108 ??  seriously ?  you believe that ??

you didn't know that was me at 5.3, nor did rico, nor did swaddle, nor did freddiewilliams. 

nor did anyone ...

... except paddys bot
By:
flukes
When: 31 May 23 21:23
hulk, the most boring poster ever to frequent the forum
By:
hulk23
When: 31 May 23 21:24
paddys lucky i didn't record that.  guarantee 100% it happened.
By:
hulk23
When: 31 May 23 21:35
flukes.  nice one Cool

when you grow a pair of balls and start betting in big boy amounts paddy might start giving a fk about you too.

no offence Happy
By:
longbridge
When: 31 May 23 21:37
So hulk, if I brought my laptop over to your place and we sat side-by-side, then when you placed your bets, you'd be undercut or the magic £108 would appear, but if I placed the same bets that wouldn't happen?

Have you ever tried a similar experiment?  It would be a fun one, I think?

Also, why you?  What makes you special that a £1bn revenue betting company stalks your betting in a pattern unique to you?

You know I am sceptical of your claims; no personal offence meant.
By:
hulk23
When: 31 May 23 21:59
don't mind you being sceptical bridge.  not one bit.

i'd be sceptical too. 

why me ?  good question.  i'll let you into a secret.  paddy doesn't like trading so ....

... the money i put up at the start of the chase.  that was the second part of a trade (the other part was matched pre-off).  if it had been matched i was all green.  so paddy's bot stuck £108 in front of me to stop me being matched.  or at least to make it much more difficult. the trouble there was, there was fk all money on the entire interface and unlike pre-off, it stuck out like a massive sore thumb.  but the bot doesn't have feelings of "what will it look like" or "if i stick that in front of him he's going to fking notice and tell the entire forum whats going on" like a human would. 

that make it any clearer ??
By:
layemall
When: 31 May 23 21:59
You can all ridicule hulk and gaze till the cows come home(some more than others in order to appear soooo smart.....just for a change, and seem to get off on it), but hulk in particular on this topic has made valid points, based on his experience, and you can't prove that he is wrong. Nothing about either of them believing they are soooo special, as has been suggested imo.
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 31 May 23 22:03
hulks gone all green

whata****gdafty and nee wpnder gaze has poasted the same

noth got nee pot to piss in LaughLaughLaugh
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