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Raceday is a day out for many families- They don't want to be at the racecourse at 11 am and be done by 1.30.
Will the smaller, independent tracks get compensated for all the lost hospitality, food and drinks etc? Madcap idea that will reward a few and pish off many others. |
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I notice plumpton doesn’t race Saturdays
Many others of similar stature will disappear Leif even if the get compensated who wants an empty racecourse other than arc in the winter |
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Surely the extra turnover will come from the World Pool.
Punters based abroad will still be able to bet whilst the uk based punters will be tied up in affordability checks.... |
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BHA to reveal details on Thursday of major fixture list changes agreed at crucial board meeting
Details of the major decisions made about the 2024 fixture list at a pivotal meeting of the BHA this week are set to be revealed to the wider industry on Thursday. Among the potential innovations which were discussed at the crucial meeting was that of the controversial subject of premierisation, which has caused consternation among a number of the smaller independent racecourses to the extent that the possibility of legal action has been threatened unless a compromise could be found. Officials representing courses from Newton Abbot to Musselburgh have voiced their concerns about the concept of premierisation, which aims to more clearly identify and financially reward the top level of British racing in the hope of stimulating greater engagement and betting interest and retaining equine talent. The most controversial aspect has been the plan to 'declutter' the crucial 2pm to 4pm slot on Saturday afternoons when racing is televised on ITV, which would generally feature two 'premier' meetings and one 'core' fixture. Other meetings which would usually take place on Saturday afternoons would instead be shifted to earlier or later slots which has raised fears of a major financial impact for the smaller courses affected. It is understood the BHA board had a number of options to consider, including imposing a blanket approach to premierisation but also some courses volunteering to shift their meetings as part of a trial and a hybrid of the two approaches. Earlier this week Ripon managing director James Hutchinson said they had offered a fixture at the course in April to be shifted as part of a trial of the idea and officials at Yarmouth said on Wednesday their meeting on Grand National day next year was due to start at 4pm. YARMOUTH, ENGLAND - SEPTEMBER 14: Harry Davies riding Priscilla's Wish (R) win The At The Races App Market Movers Fillies' Handicap Stakes at Yarmouth Racecourse on September 14, 2022 in Yarmouth, England. (Photo by Alan Crowhurst/Getty Images) Yarmouth: fixture on Grand National day set to start at 4pm Credit: Alan Crowhurst (Getty Images) British racing's leadership agreed on the need to formulate a long-term industry strategy at a summit last September, and the changes to next year's fixture list have been the most pressing aspect of the work done since that point. It is understood ten proposals were discussed by the BHA board on Tuesday which had been brought to them by the cross-industry commercial committee and which included details of the sometimes differing views of those involved. After the meeting BHA chair Joe Saumarez Smith said that principles to bring "innovation and improvement" to next year's fixture list had been "debated and agreed unanimously". Some of those proposals will however need to be the subject of further talks with the likes of the Levy Board, including the need to agree where the extra funding for premier fixtures will come from. Hutchinson told the Racing Post this week that prize-money for each premier fixture would be in excess of £200,000. It is understood that other aspects of the 2024 fixture list which were discussed by the board included changes to Sunday racing, including the possibility of Sunday evening racing. Changes to make British racing more competitive at certain times of the year are also believed to have been on the agenda, including the removal of a number of jumps races from the programme and moving some Flat turf meetings from the summer, when there has been downward pressure on field sizes, to the autumn when demand from the horse population is greater. --------------- '..... moving some Flat turf meetings from the summer, when there has been downward pressure on field sizes, to the autumn when demand from the horse population is greater'. WHAT? Is AUTUMN not CRAMMED enough already? .... With Connections having to decide between the St Leger Meeting and Leopardstown Champion Stakes weekend - - followed by - Newmarket Cambridgeshire meeting/Longchamp Arc meeting - and then Ascot Champions Day - all practically on top of each other (from a Horse preparation perspective) - Plus the Breeders Cup. |
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Thanks onlooker
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The "uncluttering" needs to happen at the BHA
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Has the bha ever been run by anybody who has any idea about this sport ?
So arc who are all for this nonsense have put forward Yarmouth as a gesture to race at 400 national day well the attendance this year was only 2426 so it couldn’t be much worse with the late start. As I said earlier Peter savile who originally came up with this idea won’t be affected as plumpton never race on a Saturday,come to think of it i would rather Jimmy savile be running the bha. |
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I've put the latest BHA output on a new thread 'Fixture List Changes'.
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Unfortunately these thing only get publication when they are a 'fait accomplie'. Many interested parties that have a stake holding in racing knew to late to do much about it. Personally I don't think it will achieve the results they are looking for but it will provide opportunities for owners and trainers exploit if they are shrewd enough. The thought of that ITV lot gloating over 'exclusive premiership' racing is very tedious.
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Who didnt get a say Honcho? The Committee that recommended this to the BHA Board was mainly made up of racecourses, trainers & jockey reps, breeders and owners group.
Of course the jury is out on whether this will work but attendances have been struggling since covid and turnover is down (although not Levy yield yet) due to affordability checks. The levy yield may be increased if the review ups the % bookies have to pay but racing needs to have a good look at why these things are happening and find some remedies. |
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I mean..
Do we not have premierisation already? York seems to race every saturday from the Dante meet anyway. So its just 3 meetings on saturday afternoon from now on, possibly the only time when betting shops are anywhere near populated with punters.. Brilliant idea! Lets cut back on the betting opportunities! The idea that the modern discerning punter has a keen understanding of the better quality horses, well its been around for yonks and its a load of old pony. Think there was a time when a Ladbrokes in one of the swankier areas of west London introduced a 'Racing Room'. Full of portraits of legends of the turf, there was never any one in there. Billy Punter was downstairs with the rest of the spit n sawdust brigade. Cursing Lester and calling the game bent no doubt. Attheraces are not going to show anything at all during those timeslots. Seems to me to be just a ruse for RUK to avoid all those embarrassing moments when all their pontificating pundits are all set to wax lyrical about a G1 winner but have to give way for the 4:02 from market raspberry. If the BHA were really interested in raising the profile of horseracing then they would start by ending what Nick Luck once called the 'saturdayisation' of the product. Like that daft day when the july cup clashes with the John Smiths and the Summer Mile. They could start by moving the Derby from its now 'traditional' 1-30 saturday berth. |
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The pies
Turnover is down Well perhaps if they accommodated more of what punters asked for turnover would increase |
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Kim Bailey in today's blog...
The powers at the BHA have spoken and changes on the format of racing will appear in 2024.. 300 less jump races.. Premier racing on Saturday and improvements to the quality of racing on Sunday..and a trial late night racing on Sundays..Racing time changes to suit the betting public might not go down well with racecourses who need people not online punters.. Is this sport becoming more interested in punters money than ever before I wonder?.. Sunday night viewing of Countryfile or Antiques roadshow might quake in their boots when it is announced that all weather racing from Newcastle/Kempton is on the other channel.. I feel sorry for the flat trainers, who probably like all trainers are struggling to keep staff happy.. Staff hate Sunday racing and it is one of the big areas why retention in this sport is so difficult.. We will see, but I am sure there will be many hours of discussion to come and tree loads of paper used up too… |
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As thelatarps suggests, the only winners are RTV and I'm not even sure about them because it was an Irish meeting that made RTV split-screen the Derby
ITV coverage is already "premierised" because they do not cover the meetings they are not covering (by definition, almost) so this will make no difference. The various preview podcasts from Betfair, the Racing Post, Oddschecker etc follow ITV's lead. Newspapers, including the Racing Post, will still have to print as many cards as they do now. Stable staff have to get up earlier for midday meetings. It is not so much that I do not think Premierisation will work but that even on its own terms, I cannot see the mechanism by which racing or anyone else benefits. |
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The Pies, there was no consultation with owners, trainers, racegoers as far as I have seen. This has got nothing to do with attendance, just retaining high class horses. As Ramruna points out no one else will benefit. As I have said, I don't think it will work anyway.
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Honcho, ROA and NTF were on the Committee that made recommendation to BHA board. Horserace Bettors Forum also consulted apparently.
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Somebody may have posted this so apologies if that is correct.
But the reason we have these car crash Saturdays is because the BHB I think that is what they were called at the time and don't know if Savill was involved) moved all the big races to a Saturday in order to increase turnover. Now the meddling martketeers at the BHA seem to have come to the conclusion that that move should be reversed. Does any of this make any sense? |
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I know Pies, but they never had anysort of consultation with their members. The ROA pre-covid, had regional forums every year to discuss these types of issues. Now absolute radio silence from them.
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We ve ended up like this because of fobts,they wanted a race off every 5 mins ,to fool the fobt players that it’s great being in a bookies shop,cos it’s wall to wall action.
They didn’t care that no one was betting on these races as long as the 4 fobts were occupied. 2 quid stake introduced,has now highlighted,this problem. Plus first 8 home in brittiania being bought by Asian market for big bucks,sees a drain on future quality. So it looks like they re trying to guide punters towards these saturday 2-4 races,hoping it increases interest and turnover. Who is this aimed at. Itv audience,clearly not,has they don’t mention the other races 2-4 anyway. Rtv audience,these are hard core race fans,industry people,who won’t care,just helps rtv with spilt screen problems. Shop punters,surely a minority,plus it’s a Saturday,trying to stop them betting at thirsk at 3.30. Making them bet ascot 3.40,is fudging the turnover. The on line punter,they are across all these above anyway,and fall into a category. Losers,the Saturday crowd at the crap meetings,the tracks income. Might be worth a trial. But needs a bigger overall. Unless there’s 8 top class races 2-4. Don’t see how it works. But trying anything is better than trying nothing. So let’s see |
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Comingupthehill
What time would york start today as it’s a crap meeting ? |
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 They are going to make Sunday racing better One of the best races ran on a Sunday is the cathedral stakes at Salisbury run on the Sunday before royal ascot except it’s been run tonight |
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So it looks like they re trying to guide punters towards these saturday 2-4 races,hoping it increases interest and turnover. -- No, they just want to provide an opportunity for high class horses to run for big money. Its aimed at owners of high class horses. It will be sponsorship and prize money diverted from reduced races that pay for it not increased betting turnover.
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