Stewards Worc

Should be chucked out but do the rules allow it?

They have to throw this out. The 2nd would've clearly won but we all know that unless its a nose then Stewards will make idiotic decisions.

Best 7/4 lay ever

cost it 3 lengths, beaten a rapidly diminishing neck ?

The eventual third was hindered at the next and had to switch. With a clewar run would have beaten the Pipe horse.

was a long way out,tough one to call

Got to go, totally wiped out the winner 2 out, btn a nk?

winner causes bump by knock on effect to the 2nd, winning dist a head...this is going

only argument is that winner pulled away again late on, so could argue would have won anyway...

Long way out time to recover ?

if i hadnt already backed 2nd id defo go in at 1.5

The move occured a bit far out, and winner looked stronger - probably the result stands

imo if 2nd was good enuff had plenty time to do sew...prob turn around but no bet here bar laying 3rd witch is free.

That's the point, if you demote for interference that far out, where does it stop?

Clearly whichever the stewards decide, no-one knows what would have happened- solution the stewards should be allowed to call dead heat or award 1=  to be fair.

If you don't know what would have happened, you have to let it stand, surely?

Money coming for it to keep it.

It needs slinging out, the runner up was knocked sideways.

Tooo far out imo, keeps the race

Tooo far out imo, keeps the race

1.5 from 3

Illogical, Blue - the stewards are  trying to do two things - look after safety and to be fair - they don't always succeed obviously. You could argue they should be consistent too - but that's not going to happen!

Flip flopped result is known...

anywhere else thats gone. the interferer has caused the doubt so should go

drone backers stuck as cudnt see the swerve.

must be keeping it.  would've taken 30 seconds to chuck it out.

So, if that happened three out or four out chucked out? The rules don't cater for that.

Flip flopped result is known...

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double flip-flop now 11kv.

Coin toss

Coin toss

clear cut disq imo.

If clear cut, why is it taking so long?!

never went short. they must have

one look at replay.  you wiped him out, here he is catching you at the finish.

stewards over.

Surely if it takes this long then result should stand? It's like VAR with pens.. IF it takes 15mins to decide whether the ball "illegally" came off arm, any  overturn is absurd.

result stands..wd rico

STANDS! I had faith that the rules just didn't cater for this.

won a fast diminishing head and keeps the race

Another joke decision from the stewards.....stands

bollox

May 8, 2023 -- 3:36PM, Bluebird2sing wrote:

If clear cut, why is it taking so long?!

No accounting for these gin-slinging old dodderers

significant bump doesn't cost a head now...farce

seen 3/4l margins overturned for less

rico best ever..

hulk worst ever

#FACT.

i'm sure Betfair will look at the accounts who backed the original winner to keep the race when it was trading around the 3 mark then went in to 1.5ish...

a remarkable guess from someone that.

Racing is bent from every angle , that`s why it is the way it is !

Different matter if it had happened at the last - not second last or otherwise you could chuck at the third last, the fourth last or.....

Rico - you got these stewards mobile number?

May 8, 2023 -- 3:40PM, HappyHibby wrote:

i'm sure Betfair will look at the accounts who backed the original winner to keep the race when it was trading around the 3 mark then went in to 1.5ish...a remarkable guess from someone that.

100%

yes wes common sense prevails...

So basically you can do what you want if its far enough out,shocking decision imo.

Aye great guess Hib from the stewards m8 ,blatant thievery imo.

Probably in line with most stewarding decisions when happened that far out - they consder the placed or other horses had time to prove themselves given that, as it wasn't deliberate or foul play.

You're correct ribero, the rules don't take into account interference that far out. If they did, practically every NH race would result in dqd's.

May 8, 2023 -- 3:40PM, HappyHibby wrote:

i'm sure Betfair will look at the accounts who backed the original winner to keep the race when it was trading around the 3 mark then went in to 1.5ish...a remarkable guess from someone that.

Yep rancid...

Might drum of more liquidity if BF started a clock on re-opening of say 5 min window, susp regardless at end, or 7 mins or whatever and its just tough luck if called earlier.

rico best ever

also - rico i'm not betting on it cos i don't trust my judgement anymore after getting wiped out on numerous occasions

Shocking decision by idiotic stewards. The rules now state that unless its a photo finish you can completely noble the other horse. This is disgusting! One of the worst decisions I've ever seen from these morons!

Thought it wasn't favourite to lose it, IF they applied the rules about being certain to alter from that far out...

even 5-10 years ago when nearly every result stood...the 2nd would have been odds on to get that
a total farce probably bent

as hibby says...1/3 to 2/1 any price taken 20 mins after enquiry announced...fair play

Stewards hands tied on this one. Jockey clearly not at fault and too far out to take into account. Nothing they could do - unless they give the horse a suspension for reckless riding!

I was slightly favouring result would be amended but thankfully I didn't play, you just cannot predict these inquiries with any great confidence.

I didn't take much notice of betting ,first past post went from 3 to 1.5 just before announcement?

hulk23 08 May 23 15:25 
cost it 3 lengths, beaten a rapidly diminishing neck ?


it hit the front run in hulk..no drone pics?

it's the same in every aspect of horse racing imv 11kv...

turn a blind eye and pretend everyone is a wonderful human being...

it's treating the betting public with complete and utter contempt...

as per usual.

flip flop was way before any announcement..

Rico-Dangleflaps 08 May 23 15:28 
imo if 2nd was good enuff had plenty time to do sew...

pretty obvious the masters opion was observed.

We need to have a stewards enquiry on the stewards. We need racing people in there making the decisions not doddery old gin soaked colonels and corrupt morons.

Some people had seen that the present rules did't allow for this scenario.

it hit the front run in hulk..no drone pics?

agreed, but fptp then went back to the front before the runner-up re-rallied to be denied by a fast diminishing head. 

had to use energy to recover from being knocked into the car park.  that cost the horse victory.

On the decision it's not at all dodgy, as they applied the rules.

On the hoovering of money, that's a different question of course...

flip flop was way before any announcement..

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a clown of a post Mr.Hunt...

irrelevant son.

stu talking sense

usual stuff from Mr.Hunt...

always goes down the 'nowt to see here' road...

anyone would think he has things to hide...

numpty.

Mr.Hunt once told me the lads in the vans hadn't heard of Betfair in running ffs.

if 2 or 3 out is too far back to take action a jockey can use that to his advantage.  wipe the field out 2 out, into stewards.  yeah, was bad but it was 2 out so i'm off to weigh in,  see ya.

nowt was hoovered..it flipped way before announced..its cost it a length 500yds out and it itself hit the front...

if the winner didnt swerve wood 2nd have won?

hibby..

if a clown was elected bewteen us two then you're wearing the big red shoes..cos ur that clown..in fact a fckn idiot to boot.

No, the third would have won - finished strongly after being baulked at the last by fpp which is far more relevant imo.

The public knew after the result was decided.

Cmon lads pile on then we will let the great unwashed know....

'the lads in the vans haven't heard of betfair in running'...

what a fkn donut.

and he expects everyone to believe him ffs.

Bluebird2sing 08 May 23 16:01 
No, the third would have won - finished strongly after being baulked at the last by fpp which is far more relevant imo.

abso pmsl.

Got to be corrupt,how can anyone decide minutes before the result that the horse would keep the race.Insider pals cleaned up a few quid at 2/1.

"a jockey can use that to his advantage.  wipe the field out 2 out, into stewards"

Dreaming up xtreme scenarios to support argument against much lesser one is LUDICROUS. There was reason to believe this could get thrown but there was reason to believe it could stand.  "imo if 2nd was good enuff had plenty time to do sew...prob turn around but no bet here" that reasoning Shafty gave is ALL important(hence no loss for him) it's not whether any interference was the cost of a head(or more) it's whether it was the cost+the time to make it up.

i call every stewards as i see them..non more opinionated than me..when was i last rong?  it could have went eether way...im a poncer not a gambler. TVM.

and your view on the 3.0 in to 1.5 for the original winner to keep the race Mr.Hunt ?

a lucky guess i suppose...

you being a company man and all that...

see no evil hear no evil.

seen plenty inq betting move massively...people can re evaluate..it happens...it moved 5 minutes before result was called.

it moved 5 minutes before result was called.

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that is irrelevant ffs...

just because it came over the PA system that the result stood doesn't mean that is when it was called...

how naive are you Mr.Hunt ?

very ffs.

It's only three weeks since the Taunton stewards chucked out a P Nicholls winner for hampering the second BEFORE the second-last!

Picks Lad, beaten a neck: Prominent, challenging when short of room and badly hampered on turn after 3 out, rallied to challenge 2 out, kept on well final 110yds, just failed, finished 2nd, placed 1st


https://www.racingpost.com/results/73/taunton/2023-04-13/835820

mebbe if it had hit the front on run in and still beaten it may not have been promoted.

Yes, I agree, rico.

I've just got back from Worcester and was glancing quickly through the thread. A lot of the discussion seemed to be about whether something can be disqualified that far out, regardless of how the horse responds in the battle to the line.

An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race after interference on the approach to the second-last hurdle when the winner, KOMEDY KICKS (IRE), ridden by Harry Cobden, interfered with MYRISTICA (IRE), placed second, ridden by Jack Tudor. The Stewards found that the interference had not improved KOMEDY KICKS (IRE) placing as although the interference was substantial, it happened approximately 2 furlongs out and having jumped the last hurdle, MYRISTICA (IRE) improved to get at least upsides KOMEDY KICKS (IRE), before that filly again went on, to win by a head at the line. The Stewards could therefore not be satisfied that if MYRISTICA (IRE) had been afforded a clear run up the straight to the line, that it would have finished in front of KOMEDY KICKS (IRE). The interference was found to be accidental in that KOMEDY KICKS (IRE) veered sharply right-handed before being quickly corrected by Cobden, giving a severe bump to EVENWOOD SONOFAGUN (IRE), unplaced, which in turn gave a bump to MYRISTICA (IRE), moving that mare sharply off its intended line.

imo the 2nd had plenty time to still win..and it hit the front on run in.

it hit the front on run in

but couldn't maintain that position due to the extra effort it had to put in to get into that position due to losing its position when severely hampered by the first past the post two out ...

Didnt a horse get demoted for impeding another horse in the first 2 furlongs over a long flat trip ?

Just seen the race. Agree with Rico 2nd had plenty of time to still win. That is clearly what clinched the decision not where it happened. Even so I  would be tempted to appeal if I was owner.

Farcical explanation from stewards.
It's either the horse was interfered with or it wasn't - US rules best as there is no guessing game involved as to whether the hampered horse would've won or not.