"Problem gambler" vs Star Sports court case

During the case, O'Brien admitted to gambling with other people's money, with the judge agreeing with the point put forward by the legal team for Star Sports who said if that were the case - "the claim must fail as the money the claimant had lost was stolen or misappropriated"

So we now have to be responsible for our own actions?

Wow, that sets a worrying legal precedent.

This fella was never going to get anywhere (imo) and it's a shame that such a weak/ingenuine case was pursued at all (imo). Seemed like he was just trying it on.

I would still be interested to see a "proper" case pursued in the courts and the outcome would maybe be much more interesting and in the balance. I can't understand why the anti's haven't picked up on such a case and run with it. When you look at the sheer number and volume of fines and the widespread law-breaking that on-line bookmakers have committed, there must be a multitude of strong cases they could choose from and be confident of winning. This case (above) was always gonna be a waste of time imo.

Was he Scottish by any chance

whats nationality got to do with it

Absolute chancer, about time people realised this isnt the US with blame culture. Not too difficult to be responsible for own actions and choices is it.?

The Management • April 19, 2023 10:43 AM BST

I would still be interested to see a "proper" case pursued in the courts and the outcome would maybe be much more interesting and in the balance.

Although the case was indeed very weak, from reading the link, there appears to be a legal principle "no one is under a duty to prevent another from causing themselves economic loss" unless they have assumed that responsibility, (which is obviously absurd in the context of a bookmaker/customer realationship). The judge also said that breaching the GC codes is not a basis of civil action.

chavman 19 Apr 23 10:46 
Was he Scottish by any chance

B sack…..ffs

I know Dave - it's complex (imo). The Act itself is Law but it is full of "codes". It's unclear (imo) if breaching the Act (although the Act is law) is seen as breaking the Law or if it is just breaching "a code".

It is quite clear that breaching the act - is solely a matter for the regulator and not a basis for individual civil action.

But I'm still surprised that in some of the very worst cases of appalling behaviour, nobody has tested that. Of course, given that until very recently the GC wasn't even effectively policing the industry - it might even be that a case could be brought against them, rather than the industry. Would be interesting imo.

Don't think the Act contains any codes. It just empowers the GC to make codes, breaches of which aren't a basis for legal action.

Anyway the main reason it was binned is that in law a bookie isn't responsible for you doing your money.

I’ve done my dough

Please sir can I have it back  ?

LOL……P!ss off ffs

I get that Dave, the book isn't responsible for anybody doing their money. The part that I'm surprised hasn't been tested in law yet though, is that you've done your money or you've done more money than the codes should have permitted you to do - because the book has completely and/or proactively ignored the codes.

When you look at the number of fines and the amounts/number of customers involved there will be cases where I'd imagine it's arguable that the book is actually responsible for you doing your money or for doing so much money.

Cases where the self-excluded have been permitted to continue/return, cases where they have proactively encouraged the self-excluded to return, cases where people with zero/tiny disposable income have been able to deposit and very quickly lose tens of thousands, etc, etc. It's a long list of misdemeanours (none of the major players seem to have avoided massive fines) and I would have thought the "anti's" could have picked out a few of the worst examples of reprehensible behaviour to mount a legal challenge.

Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of it - just surprised it hasn't happened with a much more genuine/shocking case than the one referenced in the opening post.

What a load of Fn Pee ffs

f4rty - If you are on here all day, every day (making fascinating contributions) - who is in your local betting shop stinking of p1ss and throwing pens at the screens while screaming "it's all bent" ?

Never been in one for years but I know if I lose….I lose…..I don’t think that’s mine I want it back ffs

Huff,mental issues…..money gone accept it Ffs….

I thought of you at the weekend when Celtic & Rangers finally both managed the "Any Other Score" win (obviously they were both priced accordingly) - proving that even a broken clock is right twice a day - but it made me laugh that it appears you didn't guess at either of those on that particular weekend

Yes I got the Celtic result all done at half time…don’t bother with Rangers for now a bit like Liverpool….

formoftheace 19 Apr 23 13:43 
Never been in one for years but I know if I lose….I lose…..

12,000pts in 3 mth teks sum doin.

Lol…..ffs

whoever was giving him counsel should have checked his foot for bullets after he explained his claim.

I can see millions of people coming to the exchanges.Punters must have had enough of these 'wild west' bookies by now.

he can take it to the high court

This situation gives the books even more excuses to restrict people that they want rid of, citing player care.

Why? The judge said specifically that they have no duty of care and dismissed the case.

The obvious elephant in the room to overcome
is that bookies/casinos have a built in edge
to allow them to take people's money.

Anybody that overcomes the edge can be banned.

thanks for that. usual bonehead garbage from ubermug laughable

The Management 19 Apr 23 13:47 
I thought of you at the weekend when Celtic & Rangers finally both managed the "Any Other Score" win (obviously they were both priced accordingly) - proving that even a broken clock is right twice a day - but it made me laugh that it appears you didn't guess at either of those on that particular weekend CryLaugh

Arsenal will thunder this lot tonight…any other…of course you already know that….or should do….

You found an appropriate thread Quixall,1% strike rate on AOA score fits problem gambling criteria imvho!!

This is everything you have job against this pathetic lot they have no fight a they know it’s all over…..twinkle toes the free kick merchant doesn’t care he is staying up win or lose….

Dreadful scenes…

More value for any other tonight …three more imo

But a million for the league

Gutless….no other word

Gutless….well done Southampton….congratulations City

Again FFS!!!

Just think of the thousands of lives you could have saved if you had done a Nostradamus Quixall,wars,Tsunami's,earthquakes,train crashes etc etc,none would have happened if you had predicted them beforehand!!!

Ta late Goals small loss

How much did he do , Was BEN in the shop serving him afternoon tea, during this period ?

These chancers make me laugh, give it the biggun when they're throwing bundles over the counter carrying on like
Billy Big B0ll0x when winning chunks, then as soon as they start losing it, they start crying,
Its a good job Ben never gave him any bets on credit, as its 1.01 He'd have got Knocked.

Keith is a repulsive narcissist, even looking at his gormless boat offends me.

Apr 22, 2023 -- 12:54PM, SlippyBlue wrote:

Keith is a repulsive narcissist, even looking at his gormless boat offends me.

Why's that ? Do you know him ?

i wonder ifhe got any free bets

what do you base that on dambuster..? always seemed a decent bloke to me. Says it as it is..

Have a double take ( now wheres that switch !!!).  i never said anything untoward about Ben Keith,i was asking Slippy Blue about him. i always found him a nice guy and never ducks a bet.
Or cries when he pays out.

aplogies dambuster.. got confused with your post highlighting Slippyblue's comment.

No worries.

and even when 'now wheres that switch!!!' finds the 'switch', it's still pretty dim inside his head.

thankfully its bright enough to beat two bob billy bunters like yourself George.

beat me at what?

"But he said his habit went into overdrive after he sold his Essex-based paper recycling business Pulp Friction for £9million in 2012 and he was so 'erratic' at one point that he stashed £1million in cash at the bottom of his wardrobe."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12019883/Millionaire-sued-bookmakers-not-protecting-gambling-100-000-claim-thrown-out.html