is that Adele Mulrennan on RTV punditry duties now ?

I think she packed in the racecourse presenter gig last season, and now we know why, evidently got the RTV one.

I don't usually watch the ITV coverage so can't comment on that, but was watching the other day at Thirsk when she was on and can't say I was impressed.

There was a 5f sprint and she spent most of the replay telling us why a horse might have been kept away from the others. Mmmm interesting

Her hubby is the RTV Ambassador no less.

All profits go back into racing. Would love to know what there profits were.

Racing TV Ambassador Paul Mulrennan tells us about his hopes for Euchen Glen in the feature race at Haydock Park on Saturday plus gives the inside track on his other weekend rides

if you are to puke it is wise to be frank about it

dunno why you attach 'happy' to your moniker as you dont seem to be. as the great plum wrote; 'on the whole it is not difficult to tell the difference between a scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunhine'

i dont mind adele, aside from her murdering the language. theres a lot worse than her. like those 2 donkeys in the studio

Quite like her myself, she is best when in the pre parade ring imo.

Quite like her myself too, shes speaks well is intelligent, not annoying at all !

..... "Afternoon Adele". ...

Hello Paul .

as ever a fair few on here miss the point completely...

pundits shouldn't have any sort of bias if they are to do what they are paid to do...

give an un-biased view pre and post race...

how can they be unbiased when they are a) married to one of the jockeys b) the son/daughter of a current trainer c) an ex-jockey who will have connections still training / riding all over the place d) a jockeys agent etc etc etc...

it's a case of RTV bringing in folk they 100% know will go down the see no evil hear no evil route...

and as i have said many times on here i'd love to know how RTV can justify sponsoring Paul Mulrennan...

journeyman jockey going nowhere yet RTV thinks he is the man they want to sponsor year in year out...

very strange that one imv.

does she ever have a day off

Whoever is employed as a pundit, they have to be careful what they say when analysing a ride, or else they could end up in another ATR vs Dean McKeown type scenario.

Which wouldn't be good for the channel's business model imo.

unhappyhippy was a lot more fun when he wasnt here

didnt know she was also on itv

what would Adele have said about a couple of 'hubby's' rides on Kraken Power i wonder ?

unlucky - watch out for it next time...

ran out of room...

got chopped up a a critical time of the race...

didn't get home...

looked like winning and flattened out...

it's utterly hideous stuff from RTV imv...

it's blatant the road they have gone down with their punditry / presenting appointments...

and it ain't a good one.

more about pandering to diversity quotas than recruiting insiders to cover up the dubious rides.

no Cider...

all about giving folk jobs who they 100% know will say nowt to rock the boat for trainers and jockeys.

No, it's diversity quotas and former female jockeys are an easy fit. There are still plenty of blokes on the channel that aren't former jockeys. Not that they are especially renowned for calling out pulled horses.

If I were boss of one of the racing channels, I'd try to do what GB News attempted with Mark Steyn, and ask the pundits to sign a contract making them liable for anything they say, rather than the company.

And then I'd say to them, feel free to call out dodgy rides, but if you're sued for it, then you're on your own.

And saying a ride is 'dodgy' is one thing, trying to prove it in a court of law is another!

So I don't think we should expect pundits to try and 'police' the sport.

The best 'pundit' happens to be a former jockey anyway. And it's not Walsh...

Steyn's issue was that he would have to rely on his employer to defend him against nefarious ofcom allegations. Who could operate on those terms, knowing his employer could throw him under the bus at any point the going got tough.

anyone who thinks Adele Mullrennan being on RTV as a pundit is about 'diversity' needs a checkup from the neck up...

get real man.

Not her personally. She helps to maintain the balance that the ptb want though. Have you been hibernating for the last decade? This has impacted practically all broadcasting, not just RTV...

She helps to maintain the balance that the ptb want though.

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no...

there ain't no balance...

it's all see no evil hear no evil...

which is why i get very pi$$ed off with yet another in house appointment from RTV...

but like i say they ain't getting my subscription money no more...

i'm sure they are very upset at that.

If you think that gender balance has not impacted pundit selection over the last few years, you need your bumps felt. They don't need former jockeys or insiders to maintain the illusion of perfect integrity. There are dozens of pundits who can do that.

Does it matter anyway? The 14 runner novice with three runners under 20-1 isn't going to see them all suddenly trying their best, whether the pundit tells us what we already know, or not. It will always be tryers to the front.

i'm not interested in gender balance / diversity in punditry world...

i'm interested in yet another in house appointment (Adele Mulrennan) from RTV...

welcome to the hear no evil see no evil club Adele.

Don't forget the ambassadors mate Mr Dwyer also working for RTV.

good point sparrow...

the good old In House Hear No Evil See No Evil Club...

livewire is there on merit. hes actually rather good. and once tipped 5/7 winners at dundalk

again...

completely missing the point.

I'm trying to explain to you why it's happening. It makes perfect sense, they are already used to public speaking, cameras, should know the runners, tactics etc, information from stables they are associated with and be able to waffle for a few minutes before the race. And used to the travelling, quite possibly with people they associate with going to the same meetings. Adele is obviously ready made, coming from a terrestrial broadcaster. 

I'm not stating whether it's right or wrong, but practically any female jockey giving up who has a profile will be able to get a punditry gig. The producers of these shows have quotas to fill. Just like their male contemporaries, some of them add value and some of them are noise. I don't care what gender they are, I just don't think it should be a factor. And it is.

Completly agree with OP (Farty) game is Finnish when stuff like this is happening

Cider...

she is there coz she is in house and she 100% will NOT spout on about anything iffy...

that's the end of the story.

Who exactly are the plethora of pundits spouting 'iffy' things up to now ?

Absolutely full of drivel

None of them.

That is why interest in the game is surely at an all time low.

You have washed up old Fools talking nonsense and it has limited appeal

last one i remember was Peter Harris...

got two shifts...

RUK didn't like his 'style'...

and he was never to be seen again...

and since then they have continually given jobs to folk who they fully know will play the game.

Adele Mulrennan is just another one in a very long list and it has NOTHING to do with diversity ffs.

Your argument is going down in flames. Adele has been brought in to cover up non tryers, yet the last pundit to call them out on RTV iyo was Peter Harris

Lydia tried it once and she was nearly finnish.

dear me...

night night Cider...

pointless carrying on with someone who can't see green cheese.

Paul Mulrennan ambassador is all you need to know, hilarious, you couldnt make it up ffs.

Indeed, hibby.

and btw it ain't an 'argument'...

it's FACT man.

and the FACT that Peter Harris was the last one tells you it's a FACT...

every appointment sice then has been in house / see no evil hear no evil...

but you think it's about diversity...

nurse...nurse...got another one here for you.

Paul Mulrennan ambassador is all you need to know, hilarious, you couldnt make it up ffs.

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100% spot on basil...

Stewards Enquiry on that one for me.

to be fair to adele at least she has an opinion and in last 2 appearances  i on itv and today,went in to detail about where and what she looks for in the paddock to decide if she thinks a horse is fit or not,might be bollocks but she,s put it out there

and it's a million to one she'll have an opinion she is willing to share post-race if she spots one given an iffy ride...

just like the rest of them tbf...

it's not Adele's fault she is given a cosy job from RTV...

it's all RTV's fault...

they don't want anyone rocking the boat in any way shape or form...

Adele just fits in nicely.

If anyone had the inclination to call out bad rides they could easily do it without resorting to using words like 'dodgy'.

Unfortunately, nobody does.

Mulrennan is no worse than the rest. It's a total dung heap.

agree with that differentdrum.

They all have multiple earners within the racing industry.  That's the real killer.

A 'bad' ride isn't necessarily a 'dodgy' one though.

HappyHibby wants to see "iffy" (his word) rides called out, and by "iffy" I presume he means 'stopping' rides.

So HappyHibby and differentdrum, how would you like pundits to word such rides without getting themselves sued?

"not knocked about"

"one for the tracker"

"a market move next time would be interesting"

the other 'real killer' is that TV companies deliberately employ folk who they 100% know won't blow the 'that looked a bit iffy to me' trumpet MJK...

they shouldn't go anywhere near trainers sons/daughters...

jockeys agents...

ex-jockeys...

if they want a 'balanced' view that is...

and anyone with a brain knows they don't want that.

the ride on Gendarme...

heavy drift on Betfair pre-race...

Patrick Byrnes never really got the horse involved...

Stewards really should be looking at that ride...

how about that George ?

Yes, that's fair enough HappyHibby, I think they could say that without getting themselves sued.

They may then find themselves ostracized and unable to conduct any interviews, but hey, their respect rating might have gone up among the viewers.

and you are just falling in to the trap that they do George...

no wonder we have pundit after pundit / presenter after presenter playing hear no evil see no evil...

i couldn't give a toss if they are interviewed or not...

TV producers shouldn't care either...

just let trainers/jockeys do whatever they want and say nowt about it...

well done George...

tremendous.

so George wants pundits / presenters to say nowt about iffy/dodgy rides just so that they can get an after race interview...

utterly bonkers...

sadly that's the way it is.

Charles Byrnes never gives interviews anyway (or very rarely)...

so there's nowt to lose with him anyway.

nibiru  martin at aintree drifted like a barge min before off never went a yard

HappyHibby 17 Apr 23 20:33 
so George wants pundits / presenters to say nowt about iffy/dodgy rides just so that they can get an after race interview...

It makes no difference to me what they say, or what interviews they do or don't, particularly as I usually have it on mute anyway.

It's not the job of pundits to police the sport, and if they do call out bad rides, what do they gain from it?

Depending how they word it, a potential libel case, and even saying it in a roundabout way will get them ostracized. So what's the f*cking point?

And suppose stewards / BHA do take a look on the say so of a pundit - "explanations noted"?

When Chapman called out a ride a few years ago he got taken off air and had to apologize.
  https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/at-the-races-presenter-chapman-falls-foul-of-jump-jockey-lawyer-53994/
No wonder these pundits are careful in what they say.

And when Lydia Hislop called out the Get Me Out Of Here ride at Ascot...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/dec/02/tony-mccoy-racing-uk-boycott

This was nothing to do with a ride, but when the IHRB's Head of Security Chris Gordon tried to do his job, he found there was one big club and he wasn't in it!

Alarmingly, the 137-page document noted that the IRTA had "successfully petitioned Horse Racing Ireland to exert pressure on the Turf Club to restrict Mr Gordon in his duties and prevent him from investigating trainers".

https://www.racingpost.com/news/irish-trainers-body-loses-appeal-in-defamation-case-that-could-run-to-millions-auyxH0R3DBGk/

Apr 17, 2023 -- 2:51PM, GEORGE.B wrote:

HappyHibby 17 Apr 23 20:33

Poor take imo.

If a footballer didnt try I'd expect the pundits to call them out and be dissapointed about it.

ALL REEKS OF GRAVY IMO COSY COSY

Any football examples of "non-jiggers", Itsmeswaddle, where *ON THE DAY* a pundit called it out?

Geoff, that was a brilliant run and cross by the right back, but a shocking miss by the centre forward...He must have had a bet on the opposition, or laid his team on Betfair.

Nah, didn't think so.

What if someone has given up or could try harder?

For example Bruno getting beat 7-1 v Lpool say?

Called out there and then.

"Nah, didn't think so. "

I think so chief.

I don't think you're comparing like with like, there.

When a jockey is accused of 'stopping' one, that could imply for financial gain and to defraud punters who have backed the horse, a very serious and damaging accusation.

A team not pulling their weight when losing a match and more or less accepting the situation, has no such comparison when suggested by a pundit.

It's not the job of pundits to police the sport

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and i am not saying it is their job George...

but it IS their job to give a BALANCED view...

which 999 999 out of a million they never do...

so they are all either very poor at their jobs...

or they deliberately go nowhere near the dark side of racing...

it can only be either or George.

why did Kevin O'Ryan say nowt about the two Byrnes horses at Tramore George ?

a) he didn't spot them (which means he is terrible at his job and shouldn't be employed in that case)...

b) he saw the drifts...he saw the rides...and he thought to himself it's best to say nowt...

no other options George...

which one was it iyv ?

Adele is quite fit in a mumsy kinda way. She was on duty at Sedgefield a few months ago, even better in the flesh!

I don't expect any pundit to declare that a ride is 'iffy' in stark terms of it being deliberately stopped, but they could draw attention to it. Either way there is no excuse for not calling out hundreds, maybe thousands of bad rides every year, and that includes jocks not making enough effort to gain the best possible position. If they did it might be enforced a bit more, it couldn't be enforced even less. You are not going to end up in court just because you declare a bad ride. That's just an opinion. It is different if you were to throw motive into the mix which you don't need to do. If that means jocks not talking then that would just confirm how childish they are. I doubt anyone would miss much if they did.

I've met Adele a few times and she was personable , charming and a good conversationalist, always interested in what you are saying.
I agree that the TV pundits don't tell it as it is but we are not in the world of John Mcririck any more , like it or not,( and I don't ) .
If someone offered you a 40, 50 or 60,000 pound contract but said , “ Don't upset anyone “ , what would you honeslly do ?
I think we a kicking at a closed door here.

Sorry
Honestly and kicking at.
Fat fingers.

Iffy,strange,oops,dodgy,not tuned,unlucky,ground,short of room,felt something,draw,zzzzzz and on and on and on ffs

Come racing anything goes,nudge wink and whisper all piss

Horses are commodities and punters are fodder….

Been like that since time began and us fodder won’t change a thing

The smell of the envelope……Mmmmm

Pink or blue ? …….eh let me guess ffs….

All in my humble opinion of course…..

Rancid…..imv…

I rest my case I’m up to my eyeballs in form……

How are they suppose to call out "iffy" rides when a main part of their job is to interview both pre and post-race the people you want them to call out?

Puts them in an awkward situation, eh?

This wasn't about a ride, I think this response from Davy Russell was because of what Bruce Millington had written about him punching a horse at Tramore, which seemingly wasn't an unreasonable opinion piece.

But this an example of what happens when they say something a jockey doesn't like, how awkward and pathetic was this on the Nick Luck show?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/horseracing/14045105/watch-davy-russell-refuse-answer-question-awkward/

as many folk would say on here...

fine by me...

if the trade off is 'we won't do interviews if you say owt bad or negative about us' then fine...

personally i'm not the slightest bit interested in the 'we are not worthy' style of interviewing that gets done on racing channels anyway...

and i not so long ago ditched my subscription to RTV partly because of this...

so their tactic of sucking up to every trainer / owner / jockey hasn't worked with me...

their loss not mine.

there's only one way to change things in this world...

you take a stance and you stick by your guns...

you don't pander to pampered jockeys/trainers/owners who mostly don't live in the real world anyway...

as Deborah Meaden says on Dragons Den...

'i like disrupting the market'...

and she's right...

you won't change things by just going down the same road day in day out.

Job description

As a charismatic and outgoing roving reporter, you will build up an excellent rapport with jockeys, trainers and owners, so you can bring our viewers informative and entertaining interviews both in the paddock with the main contenders and after the race with the jubilant connections.

Oh yeah, so try not to piss them off by saying the stewards should be enquiring into their horses

If the trade off for calling out every bad ride was losing the very, very small amount of useful information that comes out of interviews then so be it.

Most of these pundits seem to have a million jobs anyway, surely they can find one that involves some form of honesty? Anyway, if they all called out the bad rides then it would seem highly unlikely that they would all be sacked.

It's an industry which is frightened to be honest. What a state of affairs.

It's an industry which is frightened to be honest. What a state of affairs.

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100% spot on again differentdrum...

the whole game is an illusion...

the authorities / the media / all its participants trying to convince the mug public that the game is 99.99% straight...

if you ask me it's as wonky as a wonky banana with brown bits on it.

Looking fit today

Most other jockeys would've won on Northern Express there. Best horse lost.

These pundits.
Tell them they have to use their fee either at the TOte boxes or in the ring.
that might concentrate their minds.

And as i write, Mega Nickers has actually said something interesting on itv4. Believeing that the Stoute horse should be fav for the Derby.
And then she gets cut off by Chamberlin.
init marvellous..