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By:
impossible123
When: 06 Apr 23 21:10
Is he a gonna?
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Apr 23 22:14
last seen waiting for the bus to Northern Cyprus with 37 suitcases ..
By:
lead on
When: 07 Apr 23 00:30
Feel sorry for James Horton in all this...
By:
chavman
When: 07 Apr 23 09:37
Horton seemed to be doing quite well...can only assume the stable and stock will be sold off
By:
chavman
When: 07 Apr 23 09:38
including laurens
By:
Trident
When: 07 Apr 23 09:46
Everything GONE, HUGE sale!
By:
Cider
When: 07 Apr 23 10:00
It takes two to tango.
By:
Trident
When: 07 Apr 23 10:07
Reading about this looks terrible. People have lost investments, can't pay back because money wasn't there in the 1st place. 100% a Ponzi scheme. I'm sure all involved with get long prison time.
By:
Trident
When: 07 Apr 23 10:09
Another to stay clear of is AMMO racing. Trying to get people invested in crypto horses, absolute maniacs. I would bet on their colours even if you gave me the money.
By:
Trident
When: 07 Apr 23 10:09
wouldn't*
By:
mrcombustible
When: 07 Apr 23 10:25
I wonder have many in the industry lost money in this con?
By:
ribero1
When: 07 Apr 23 10:41
Not so much in news about it yet? the Mail have it but can't find much else apart from the Post,will be relying on Mr C to keep us up to speed Grin
By:
dave1357
When: 07 Apr 23 10:46
https://www.fscs.org.uk/making-a-claim/failed-firms/

dozens of these companies go down every year - the FCA is almost as bad a regulator as the GC.
By:
mrcombustible
When: 07 Apr 23 10:52
The previous head of the FCA was Andrew Bailey who was also a disaster so Johnson made him Governor of the Bank of England
By:
saxon farm
When: 07 Apr 23 10:58
He seems to have led them a merry dance.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 07 Apr 23 12:58
Iam sure the  " Opening Show " ( itv 9-30 Sat ) will be all over this. Whoops
By:
ribero1
When: 07 Apr 23 13:10
GrinGrin
By:
lead on
When: 07 Apr 23 18:47
Didnt see itv racing today but I'm sure there was plenty mention of"friend of the show"....aye right!ExcitedLaugh
By:
Too Easy
When: 07 Apr 23 18:56
In one way you would feel sorry for Horton in this but in another I'm sure he knew what he was letting himself in for seeing as everyone in the industry had a fair inkling what was going on
By:
chavman
When: 11 Apr 23 10:39
BMG to run at aintree on Thursday under the sole ownership of Bryan Drew
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Apr 23 17:50
Who was the Governor at the Fed (USA) when banks imploded?
By:
lead on
When: 11 Apr 23 17:54
Volcker?
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Apr 23 18:11
I think Paul Volcker was Chair at the Fed. He was succeeded by Alan Greenspan; Bernanke was the latter's successor. It was widely believed Mr Greenspan was the instigator of easy money/easy mortgage, and Mr Bernanke was his crony who facilitated his policies which led to the Banking Crisis.

Mr Alan Greenspan was knighted for his contribution to the Banking Crisis. How ironic!
By:
Flemenstar
When: 13 Apr 23 00:27
Bravemansgame caught in the cross fire

seized as an asset like Labaik was?
By:
sageform
When: 13 Apr 23 08:57
I would not like to cross Paul Nicholls' path today. He must be steaming. Not the first or last big owner to implode though. I remember years ago, Oliver Sherwood had what looked like a superstar which won a valuable novice hurdle at Ascot by 20 lengths. It never ran again because of an ownership issue.
By:
lead on
When: 13 Apr 23 09:04
Well,if pumpkin or Drew just did this hoping it was allowed without consulting with the fca they could have bigger problems..
By:
TheAnorak
When: 13 Apr 23 09:06
Seems a rather petty act by the FCA - half the value of an 8-y-old gelding isn't going to make much of a dent in what is presumably a debt involving tens of millions. Maybe they think he has a future at stud!
By:
truehoncho
When: 13 Apr 23 09:35
If it was your money he had scammed Anorak, would you want him and his friend's having jolly day out at Aintree with it?
By:
Pilsudski
When: 13 Apr 23 10:12
There’s the rub,Truehoncho.
By:
Tostidog
When: 13 Apr 23 10:36
Apparently his jockeys have had their cars that he sponsored repossessed. Numerous houses in Middleham that he bought for staff have been seized. There is also a story doing the rounds that he paid for Karl Burke's second yard and his equine swimming pool. It all came to light during the recent CS fuelled banking crisis led to some investor withdrawal requests which were not met.
By:
truehoncho
When: 13 Apr 23 10:38
If that's all true Tostidog then he deserves all he gets. I hope the staff haven't been asked to leave the houses.
By:
inrunninggg
When: 13 Apr 23 10:41
Thanks for info Tostidog
By:
Tostidog
When: 13 Apr 23 10:46
Just don't understand how these things keep happening.

You could almost smell there was something not right about him.

The FCA is a joke.

Auditors?
By:
howard
When: 13 Apr 23 10:57
They keep happening because people are "greedy" for extra interest on their money.
By:
now wheres that switch!!!
When: 13 Apr 23 11:41
Spot on Howard.. pretty sure these people did not have to invest their funds with him.. Am sure there is an old adage about if something is too good to be true....
By:
lead on
When: 13 Apr 23 11:49
Can't believe Burke would get involved with anything dodgy...
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 13 Apr 23 11:59
It took the Opening Show on ITV all of 30 seconds to gloss over its disgraced " Friend of the show ".
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 13 Apr 23 12:09
Indeed, GC. And for anyone who missed it, Matt Chapman told us that Paul Nicholls had told him that he had intended to run Hitman instead had Bravemansgame not been given the go ahead on Tuesday, and then it was too late when the courts intervened yesterday.
By:
impossible123
When: 13 Apr 23 14:09
BMG will be sold to recoup money from the demise of Vertems. Hopefully, his present 1/2 owner could find backers for the other 1/2. I think he''' be worth quite a bit given the potential prize money he'd earn (shame not today), but King George and Gold Cup; there will be races in between these two principal races.
By:
mrcombustible
When: 13 Apr 23 21:01
John Dance horses shrouded in growing uncertainty as more details emerge of FCA investigation

Leopardstown Sat 15 September 2018 Laurens with John Dance and Lucy Burke after winning The Coolmore Fastnet Rock Matron StakesPhoto.carolinenorris.ie
John Dance: joint-owner of Bravemansgame
Credit: Caroline Norris
The futures of horses owned by John Dance were cast into further uncertainty on Thursday after the scope of the investigation into his company, WealthTek LLP, by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) was made apparent to the BHA.

WealthTek, which also trades as Vertem Asset Management and Malloch Melville, was shut down last week after the FCA obtained a High Court order to place the business into special administration following the discovery of “serious regulatory and operational issues”.

Having liaised with the FCA, the BHA initially facilitated a solution to allow Bravemansgame to compete in the Aintree Bowl in the sole ownership of Bryan Drew with Dance removed as joint-owner. The BHA did not specify if the eight-year-old had been leased or sold to Drew, but said it was “satisfied” the horse would be in his ownership for the race.

The court order had been secured by the FCA last Thursday but was not presented to the BHA until Wednesday, at which point it is understood by the Racing Post that the BHA believed it could not allow Bravemansgame to compete with the FCA’s position laid out more fully. As such, the BHA took the decision to block Bravemansgame running, albeit with confusion remaining as to whether any of the other horses owned by Dance would be able to compete in the near future.

In an updated statement on the WealthTek investigation issued on Wednesday, the FCA said it had “taken various steps to protect consumers following serious regulatory and operational issues coming to light”.

Among the actions that can be taken by the FCA as part of investigations is an application to the court for assets to be frozen. The scope of what constitutes an asset that can be frozen is then interpreted by organisations presented with the court order.


Galopin Des Champs and Bravemansgame jump the last in the Gold Cup
Bravemansgame: unable to run in the Bowl at Aintree on Thursday
Credit: Ryan Pierse
Alongside Bravemansgame, Dance owns a number of horses in partnership with his wife, Jess, the majority of which are overseen by their private trainer James Horton, who is based at a rented property in Middleham while a state-of-the-art training facility at Manor House Farm is completed. As well as his own horses, Dance is patron of the Titanium Racing Club.

Reports emerged on Thursday that property and motor vehicles in Middleham potentially connected with Dance had been seized by authorities, but there was no indication that any bloodstock assets had been frozen as part of the investigation.

The forced withdrawal of Bravemansgame from the Aintree Bowl, which was won by Shishkin, was described as “bitterly disappointing” by Paul Nicholls. The champion trainer said he planned to reroute the King George VI Chase winner and Cheltenham Gold Cup runner-up to the Punchestown Gold Cup on April 26 if possible.

“Obviously [I am] disappointed by the course of events that led up to us not being able to run him but that’s out of my hands,” Nicholls told Betfair. “I can’t really say any more than that. It's just bitterly disappointing.”
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