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You submit AFCs. This has been the MO for sometime (letter in todays RP).
The books are never going to offer the option of if you are not prepared to submit them then you can close your account and withdraw you deposits immediately. Why is this? Everyone out there must be ware that if they win they may be faced with this problem. Not great for the future of punting/racing.
Once you dont have trust in your bookmaker all is lost.
The books are never going to offer the option of if you are not prepared to submit them then you can close your account and withdraw you deposits immediately. Why is this? Everyone out there must be ware that if they win they may be faced with this problem. Not great for the future of punting/racing.
Once you dont have trust in your bookmaker all is lost.
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I read that regarding bookmakers. On here can't you make an immediate £300 ( and x2 ) withdrawal to your bank ?
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MythWA Joined: 16 Dec 18
Replies: 33531 Mar 23 09:25 Once you dont have trust in your bookmaker all is lost. Don't you ever use your account on here? |
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This topic has been done to death. Books can hold funds pending source of funds enquiries, they have no right to hold them pending affordability checks and would lose everytime a small claims action was taken out against them.
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Sparrow-I use my account on here most of the time however I had to submit AFCs before I could withdraw £600 winnings. BF closed that account and I had to open an account in my wifes name (Dont tell em though).
Could not find out why they did that as I had had an account for years showing probably a small profit maybe £100 a year no more although they closed mi Sprotsbook account in no time. Laundering money certainly not I punt in £50-£80 once or twice a week. Go figure. |
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I deal a lot in cash, hence my monthly income into my bank account would look as though I couldn't be affording to bet much. I bet cash in shops mostly. Am I to understand that they could withhold winnings by retrospectively saying I shouldn't have placed those bets?
Surely they'd have to pay up and just ban me from future betting? |
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Surprised to hear of your problems on here myth although I have never bothered with their Sportsbook.
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Who judges whether you can afford to bet? As Regbutler says, they should pay up and then close the account. If they say you cant afford to bet then I would claim all my losses back for years. My income has not changed since I became a pensioner.I suppose a pensioner is not earning enough to bet.
No bookmaker has ever worried how much I earn before and Ive been betting for nearly 70 years. Its time it was all sorted. |
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Like Dave says it's been done to death. I don't get why punters don't just send the info, unless you've not got a bank account and only deal in cash then they can find anything out about you anyway but for obvious reasons they won't admit they do, as to come from the individual.
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It's a privacy issue of course - no organisation should be able to demand to see everything you spend money on, and how you operate your own personal accounts.
Pay slip, maybe fair enough, but bank statements showing every little aspect of your life - not a chance that should be allowed. Amazing in this day where we get trained in GDPR and related privacy laws rammed down our throats. |
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No way will I ever send them my bank details. As I said above. Im a pensioner and my bank accounts do not show my true wealth. Im certainly not telling them about any savings ive got.
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If they get there way it will all be digital currency by 2030 and then what are punters going to do? You can never beat them
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Following up from my earlier post...
I had 2 nice pickups in December, same day, different bookies 7k and 13k On both occasions I got paid part cash, rest onto card within half hour of the last horse winning(had an acca up) No source of funds or affordability checks So, it's not like it's being applied universally Apologies for the aftertiming |
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I think if this persists as a problem there should be a big GDPR movement against it personally, even if it has to be initiated by some kind of punters class action or similar.
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This is a line, easy to find on the government page for GDPR if organisations use or request information:
They must make sure the information is: used in a way that is adequate, relevant and limited to only what is necessary That last part is the key issue. |
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Limited to only what is necessary - this list will be very long imho.
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If it's AC a payslip is all that is necessary.
Can't see any rationale to justify needing to know what takeaways I buy a curry from etc, on my bank statement. |
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I would like to know if any punter has taken a bookmaker to the small claims court to retrieve their money. Its the first thing I would do.
Cant see how they would have a leg to stand on. |
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Punters swarming back to the racecourse no Q asked….real money…can I have £300-£100….yes you’ve got that…do you want to see my p60 ? Fk off your holding the que ffs
Guy on ITV holding a bundle of 20 large of punters cash no gambling commission in sight ffs….what a joke…. |
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Lol imagine a big punt with billy hill on the rail…..yeah no problem….what about my monkey in my account I can’t withdraw
Fk off ask the office The circus continues ffs |
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Yeah that shows exactly how farcical it all is.
Do punters in betting shops ever get asked for details. If I was asked i'd ask the idiot how much he earned a week. Then I'd tell him to f off |
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Exactly…
I’m an addict on all vice but I’m going to buy a car on hp….yeah that’s fine no problem…ffs |
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Some think this has been done to death.
They probably think if it happens to them they will just go down the small claims route. Yes they will get their winnings in a months time or so after jumping through the hoops and paperwork. Bully for them. This issue needs to be raised again and again hoping the wider media see the injustice of it all. Im sure this forum is viewed by those who have influence. Keep it up. Hopefully the HRF can help. I just want to pursue my hobby without the grief. |
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sparrow 31 Mar 23 09:33
Don't you ever use your account on here? ...................... MythWA 31 Mar 23 10:03 Sparrow-I use my account on here most of the time however I had to submit AFCs before I could withdraw £600 winnings. ................... Putdown fail  . |
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Dont see anyone in authority standing up for the punter. The Racing Post dont want to upset the bookmakers and the so called experts on the TV are probably being looked after by bookmakers, so they wont say anything.
If I getting money witheld i'll certainly go down the small claims route. |
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MythWA - my two cents for what it's worth:
1) Never refer to yourself as a "punter" - it has all sorts of negative connotations - you are a customer 2) Don't get mad, get even! 3) With regards to No2 ^ send a well worded e-mail, copy it to the GC, your local MP, as many other MP's as you can identify, your local council, your local police commissioner, the mayor if you have one, the local planning committee, AA, DFS, the RAC, BT, EE and Elton John (you get the picture). 4) Google DSAR (Data Subject Access Request) and hit them with a very specific and detailed one. They will wish they had never fooked with you - and you will get your money quicker than you can say welching scum. |
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Saddo, was a genuine question and not a "putdown". So stop being silly again.
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Ffs
I agree with TM Where’s the ice pack ffs…..help me…. |
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Whatever happened to Horse Racing betters forum? Do they still exist?
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They do still exist geoff and they are currently conducting a survey - but the fact that you had to ask, unfortunately, speaks volumes about their profile and their impact (not necessarily their fault) - but it's got to the stage where somebody with a bit of clout and influence needs to get involved imo.
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Punters are frowned upon no one likes to seen giving them support…..
All punters….. According to some jockeys…..stupid and ignorant….along with mushrooms….. |
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Elton John
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Sir Elton to you stu!
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He'd probably be more useful than the GC or IBAS to be fair
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Fair point and sadly true stu!
 Probably better to cc The Sun, The Express, The Daily Mail, BBC Watchdog, The One Show, Rip Off Britain and Panorama, etc. The reality is that none of the people I have suggested would actually understand or be interested - but it would get you what you want very quickly. |
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I did hear that David Furnish likes a Filthy Each Way though
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TM I think you have over estimated my desire for justice. Im really not interested in taking this any further than discussing with fellow punters on here. No activist me.
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That's your prerogative MythWA and I understand that sentiment - but that is also why they do it, they know that they can get away with it.
I don't think it would take many activists (or DSAR's) to put a stop to it! |
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yep, that was kind of my point with the GDPR and similar policy - they need reminding of limits on what they should be allowed to do.
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