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17 Mar 23 15:27
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How do you stop it it restricting the amount of horses you see on the racecard. I want to see them all and not have to press the show more button all the time. Thanks
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Report longbridge March 17, 2023 2:36 PM GMT
Where's this?  Nopt the Exchange Desktop site (unless you have been ciursed in a way I have not!).


Report onlooker March 17, 2023 2:41 PM GMT
There was a similar Thread the other day....

Presume it may be on Phone.
Report longbridge March 17, 2023 2:47 PM GMT
Exchange mobile site & mobile app look to be as usual on the 20+ fields later in the day.
Report Twoboyz March 17, 2023 2:51 PM GMT
No on the normal exhchange on laptop
Report onlooker March 17, 2023 3:01 PM GMT
Depends on the Size of your Screen, surely.

18 Runners show on my Desktop Screen - But far less on my 10 inch Tablet.

But - What is this ... "have to press the show more button" ?

Been on here for 20 years - and Never, ever, come across such a Button - or Message.

Just a thought - Are you viewing on a Laptop in some kind of Mobile mode?
Report longbridge March 17, 2023 3:02 PM GMT
Sorry, I have never seen a "show more" button on the Exchange website on my laptop.  And I use the site almost every day.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 17, 2023 3:05 PM GMT
try reducing page size or change screen resolution
Report onlooker March 17, 2023 4:08 PM GMT
This - 'Show More Runners' Button/Message -

- Does Not appear on my Desktop or Laptop or Tablet

Neither does it appear for poster - longbridge - too.

Both of us know our way around the Desktop Betfair Market website inside out....

So - We cannot help you .... Because the OP is apparently experiencing a somewhat unique scenario.

So - as we have both previously posted - The issue must be something to do with something like Mobile/Phone/App Access to the site  -

As - otherwise, there would be loads of other people posting about the same issue - most especially with the larger fields at Cheltenham this week

The OP - Twoboyz - posted that he is on a Laptop - but as I intimated earlier, has he somehow loaded an App onto his Laptop, or something similar?

Alternatively .... To start with - Twoboyz - What Browser are you using to access Betfair?

I only ask, because - You have gone quiet .... and we are Intrigued - by all things to do with Betfair functionality.
Report Twoboyz March 17, 2023 4:44 PM GMT
Just chrome. It has been fine until about 5 days ago
Report Twoboyz March 17, 2023 4:45 PM GMT
Sorry i am not techy at all. How do i change the screen resolution ?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 17, 2023 4:49 PM GMT
right click on empty screen..>>display settings >> display resolution
Report onlooker March 17, 2023 4:54 PM GMT
What is your OS - Operating System ? ...

For Windows 10 ...

Settings > then System > Should Default to  'Display' ...

Lower down - 2d Box = 'Display Resolution'

Open the Drop-Down Box ... Select different sizes - and play Away.

Pleas DO tell us, accurately, though ...

Just WHERE on the Betfair Market Frame - does this - 'Show More Runners' Box/Message Display/Appear ?
Report formoftheace March 17, 2023 4:58 PM GMT
Remember and click recommended…..
Report Twoboyz March 17, 2023 5:24 PM GMT
Done all that. Makes no difference. On each market it shows only 10 horses. The show more button is right at the bottom of the last horse centrally
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 17, 2023 5:45 PM GMT
dont get involved if 11 runners.
Report onlooker March 17, 2023 7:13 PM GMT
Twoboyz - How are you INITIALLY accessing the Betfair website - and then Logging-In to Betfair?
Report Twoboyz March 17, 2023 7:23 PM GMT
Simply google then log in
Report duffy March 17, 2023 7:39 PM GMT
Rico-Dangleflaps 17 Mar 23 17:45 
dont get involved if 11 runners.

The way British racing is going, this issue is only going to be experienced on a less frequent basis in the years ahead
Report onlooker March 17, 2023 7:42 PM GMT
Thank you - We will have to wait for somebody else coming on this Thread with your same issue -and some more depth.

- especially as this 'Show  More Runners' Button is a complete invisible Mystery to the rest of us.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 17, 2023 8:14 PM GMT
stewyb has a 'show more funds' after the lass two daze.
Report brassneck March 17, 2023 10:40 PM GMT
its happening to me have .pulled the plug on window 7 users,and taken away chrome,i moved to microsoft edge supported by bing but they are also saying that they are going to pull the plug on windows 7 shortly.they only display half the fields on the betfair card.
both say i must download windows 10.The small print says there is no guarantee that a fee may be introduced for users.
i think all the window 7 users (and there are millions world wide) will not except this.(my opinion)
but in the meantime expect betfair to lose at least 60% of their customers if microsoft pull the plug at the end of the month.Sad
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 17, 2023 10:49 PM GMT
upgrade to win10 its free.
Report brassneck March 17, 2023 11:04 PM GMT
at the moment it free.until they get rid of windows 7.why do you think all the tech companies are laying off employees?
there is a tech war going on between all the tech giants.!!!!!!!And a lot of the lap top users world wide are closing their lids for the last time.The internet is on its way out,as artificial intelligence takes over and we will all be back to a watch on the wrist that controls us.LaughLaughLaughthe watch will not let you ,gamble,drink,smoke,or take drugs.we have about 2 years of freedom left.LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report brassneck March 17, 2023 11:48 PM GMT
Google chrome pulled the plug on windows 7 users last Sunday Night at 21.45 .They took the chrome version away from windows 7 users and replaced it with something called Google gg.if you try to download chrome again you get a warning from microsoft.if you continue and are successful and get back chrome you have to sign a contract with them ,that mentions a fee and you have to agree not to use windows can not get a full page on any site when you try to enter using the Google gg.
in other words its=use windows 10 and sign a contract with Google before you can enter any site.
any page you enter is less than half the size it normally is.unless you download windows 10 and sign a contract.
hope this helpsPlain
Report onlooker March 18, 2023 1:25 AM GMT
brassneck -

You are talking convoluted Ballcocks - as ever -

- and like the other fruitcake - CagLIARi/GTMole/Glentoby - are now, yet again, ruining an otherwise sensible Thread.
Report brassneck March 18, 2023 2:05 AM GMT
onlooker,how would i know all i said unless it happened to me,i know nothing about computers or internet.i can not place a bet on betfair on google since last Sunday would i know about microsoft and bing unless it would i know that it says after the top ten horses in a race ,i have to click on a show more box .how would i know microsoft are about to pull the plug,how would i know that my lap top is out of support on updates for windows 7.
I posted and placed my bets since last Sunday via Microsoft edge /bing.
Report brassneck March 18, 2023 2:09 AM GMT
its impossible to place a bet using google.or even use another site.
Report onlooker March 18, 2023 4:17 AM GMT
I rest my case. CryHappy
Report brassneck March 18, 2023 5:37 AM GMT
i bet you did not know that bing has GPT-4  already.
onlooker ,google official date to pull the plug is the 23rd March 2023.
you better get your case moving again.Wink
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 18, 2023 1:45 PM GMT
- and like the other fruitcake - CagLIARi/GTMole/Glentoby - are now, yet again, ruining an otherwise sensible Thread.

tobymug int ear innit?
Report ged March 18, 2023 3:59 PM GMT
It was happening for me on the big field races at Cheltenham. I can see a 15-runner race ok. But if I look at the Masters Golf field, I only see 10 golfers, with a 'Show More' button (which shows the whole field when clicked, as it did with the Cheltenham fields).

Windows 11, Chrome, notebook PC.
Report dave1357 March 18, 2023 4:06 PM GMT
it's everywhere on the sportsbook, so maybe it has been partially implemented on the exchange. btw this is another example of developers who are clueless about betting, coming about with "ideas" to justify their paycheck.
Report ged March 18, 2023 4:16 PM GMT
What could possibly be the driver behind it? I'm guessing it's aimed at mobile devices, but even then I don't see the point.
Report Twoboyz March 18, 2023 4:27 PM GMT
I do not use a mobile device for betfair so its not that
Report sparrow March 18, 2023 4:34 PM GMT
Maybe it will now be for all devices as happens so often now thanks to bloody mobiles.
Report onlooker March 18, 2023 4:38 PM GMT
Thanks ged -

We MAY now have a possible answer, here.

Firstly, though - a Question - to those who are seeing this 'Show More Runners' Box ...

Do you NO LONGER have a Vertical SCROLL BAR at the Right-Hand side of the Market - between the Pink Lay Prices and the 'Bet Slip'- to simply bring an extended Runners field up the Market Frame?

- or - can you not simply Scroll the Runners UP & Down using your Mouse Wheel?

- or (Heaven forbid, for betting) - are you using 'Touch Screen' - and cannot Scroll the Runners Up & Down, by finger slide.

* ALL of the above I can still do - As has been FOREVER on Betfair -

The First 2 on my Desktop Computer -
The Touch Screen on my Tablet  (although I have a separate Mouse attached to that back-up/emergency Tablet anyway, when not out and about)

** Both my Desktop and Tablet are using WINDOWS 10

- ged says he is on WINDOWS 11.

Given that the majority will STILL be using WINDOWS 10 - and the Majority appear to be UNaffected by, and NOT seeing this 'SHOW  MORE RUNNERS' Box ...

Then could it be a WINDOWS 11 DISPLAY issue - ONLY?
Report dave1357 March 18, 2023 4:42 PM GMT
I would guess with phones, it is to stop someone accidentally clicking on a selection when trying to scroll down using a touchscreen, but that is just sloppy work, as it should be easy to tell whether the device is a phone.

btw I put a bet on the sportsbook last week as they were 8 places in one of the hamdicaps. I wanted to back three horses and had to close down the bet window after each one. Once again someone who hasn't a clue about betting coding a betting site.
Report undecided March 18, 2023 4:47 PM GMT
Don't get this on Desktop Windows 10 firefox.

Find it really annoying on websites that have it.
Report ged March 18, 2023 4:47 PM GMT
I get exactly the same thing on my desktop (Windows 10, Chrome).

Masters Golf - 10 golfers. Scroll bar, but nothing to scroll to other than a Betfair logo. 'Show more' button to see rest of field.
Report ged March 18, 2023 4:53 PM GMT
I don't know where the 'cut-off' figure is, or whether it's restricted to certain markets.

I can see the whole of the Oaks AP market (20 runners). But the Derby shows 10 (+ 'Show more').
Report ProSniper March 18, 2023 5:11 PM GMT
MY OS is W11 and eye get to see whole field without seeing/hitting any "show more" button.
Report ged March 18, 2023 5:18 PM GMT
My guess is the cut-off (for me) is 20. The next biggest field I can find is 24, and that has 10 + show more. Anything 20 or less I see in full.
Report onlooker March 18, 2023 5:22 PM GMT
Very strange - that - ged

I have just Checked the Masters GOLF Market ....

Everything is absolutely NORMAL - as Forever

87 Selections


Can you answer my question, please ...

- and this is extremely Relevant ...

When you are Presented with the 'SHOW MORE RUNNERS' Box  -

Do you THEN - LOSE the Right-Hand  Vertical SCROLL BAR ?

- and/or - Co you find that that you CANNOT Scroll the Market Downwards (in order to Display More Runners) - by [b]Using your MOUSE middle Wheel[b].

If so - then that is truly Awful.
Report onlooker March 18, 2023 5:26 PM GMT
*  'the Right-Hand Vertical SCROLL BAR' ?

Just After the Pink LAY Prices ...BETWEEEN the Market Prices FRAME - and the 'BET SLIP.
Report ged March 18, 2023 5:28 PM GMT
No, scroll bar still, and functions normally. When I press 'Show more', I see exactly the screen I would want to see in the first place.

It's disconcerting, because when landing on such a race (with a 'show more'), the first thought is that either there are few runners, or the market is not fully formed.
Report ged March 18, 2023 5:31 PM GMT
I get the same result with the MS Edge browser.
Report ged March 18, 2023 5:33 PM GMT
...and with Icedragon browser, which has Firefox underneath it, though probably an old version, as I haven't used it in a while.
Report Twoboyz March 18, 2023 6:02 PM GMT
Scroll bar etc fine
Report ged March 18, 2023 6:09 PM GMT
On tghe main Betair page, under Settings, I have version 2.0.0-5125. Is that any different to those who don't get the 'Show more'?
Report sparrow March 18, 2023 6:11 PM GMT
Same version number here ged and no problems so far.
Report sparrow March 18, 2023 6:12 PM GMT
windows 10 edge browser on laptop.
Report Twoboyz March 18, 2023 6:16 PM GMT
Ged. Thats the same as me
Report onlooker March 18, 2023 6:17 PM GMT
So- To try and get to the Nuts & Bolts of this ...

You still have the VERTICAL SCROLL Bar showing - But - presumably ....

It will Not work - WITHOUT  - Activating 'SHOW MORE Runners'?

- Otherwise you would not have an Issue - or ...

Does the Scroll Bar work - WITHOUT having to Activate the 'Show More Runners' Box ...

meaning - The 'Show  More Runners' Box/Display/Message is, therefore - merely an annoyance?
Report ged March 18, 2023 6:32 PM GMT
Have to hit 'show more' to see the rest of the field.

Scroll bar there all the time, but until the 'Show more' has been pressed (so that it then gets replaced with a 'Show less' button), the scroll only takes you down to see various logos, no more runners.
Report onlooker March 18, 2023 6:47 PM GMT
Strewth - Young Geek - NON -Punter - Programming. Cry

Still, though - We have Not/Cannot determine why the 'Show More' Box is Displays/is on some people Laptops - Yet Not on, apparently, Most users machines - most especially Desktops.
Report brassneck March 18, 2023 8:11 PM GMT
on the microsoft edge it shows the top ten horses in races that have more than 18 runners.and then shows the show more box for the remainder of the field.
on Google chrome the page is minimized to half a page and the right side of the page can not be seen.vertical scroll bar and all settings are off screen and you can not click on them.if you try to pull the page to the right a message appears saying windows 7 is not updating.Google Keep taking chrome away and replacing it with Google gg.and it will not work either.
all pages on all sites are minimized an all settings are off screen.hope this helpsGrin
Report brassneck March 18, 2023 8:16 PM GMT
correction=if you try to drag page to the left.
Report brassneck March 18, 2023 11:16 PM GMT
Google have just released me from their prison,and handed me back my control settings.i also got a new download of their chrome/time 23.09.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinAnd i still have my windows 7.GrinGrin
Report ProSniper March 19, 2023 10:48 AM GMT
I have old 11-inch Chromebook that eye tried seeing this (mythical) "show more" button on = FAILED.

I also have old 12-inch 2in1 laptop/tablet(W10) that I tried with,, in desktop mode as well as tablet mode = FAILED.
Report dave1357 March 19, 2023 10:50 AM GMT
i doubt it is mythical as it has clearly been introduced in the sportsbook.
Report longbridge March 19, 2023 11:03 AM GMT
It seems that something is causing different Forumites to have different experiences on what seem to be very similar setups.

Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 19, 2023 11:17 AM GMT
snipey lives in an antique shop..
Report top2rated March 19, 2023 11:20 AM GMT
Report ProSniper March 19, 2023 11:40 AM GMT

Shafty, do you not have old retired/unused items laying around your house?
Report brassneck March 19, 2023 12:45 PM GMT
When a customer logs into betfair, a sign appears saying switch to this new tab,i think the guys who switch to the new tab end up in the google prison where the have to work on the show more button.LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
anyhow i got released last night.GrinGrin after a week in prison
Report ged March 19, 2023 12:52 PM GMT
Could it be that you see it if you have ever used a phone to access Betfair? I did a few times about 10 years ago. It's quite possible that Betfair would hold a variety of flags in their profiles of users (as any bookie would do), and there could be one for 'mobile user', that, once set, never gets unset. Just a theory.
Report brassneck March 19, 2023 12:58 PM GMT
And google a taking a copy of every bet i place and displaying it on their main page.this is not good for the betfair company.
Report ProSniper March 19, 2023 1:01 PM GMT
geddy, is the "show more" not there once you log out?
Report ProSniper March 19, 2023 1:05 PM GMT

Visit the above(logged out) and post screeny of what you get please..
Report brassneck March 19, 2023 1:11 PM GMT
i don't understand it,i placed a bet on a German division 2 game,when i return to google,a copy of bet is displayed on the main front page of google under the betfair just lets me know what was the last bet i placed on betfair.Confused
Report ged March 19, 2023 2:29 PM GMT
Sniper - good idea.

I logged out, and got the same result - ie 'Show more' on a field > 20.

However, I then deleted Betfair cookies, and tried again, without logging back in, and....full list, no 'Show more' !! Then logged in, and got the 'Show more'.

So, seems definitely tied to my user id.
Report ProSniper March 19, 2023 2:53 PM GMT
Indeed. So we now know it's not a computer specs issue. You(along with few others) could simply be a "beta" guinea pig before they roll this trash out to everyone..
Report brassneck March 19, 2023 3:14 PM GMT
mark my words=it is an introduction to artificial intelligence and the microsoft are experimenting without permission.
and they are targeting financial sites.Grin
Report brassneck March 19, 2023 3:29 PM GMT
within two years you will be placing a bet by talking to the watch on your wrist ,it will respond to your voice and the robots will look after your bet and ask or advise what you do with the profits if your selection wins.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrin
Report brassneck March 19, 2023 3:39 PM GMT
i can see it all now"we advise you place your profits in our microsoft cryptocurrency wallet"LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report ged April 7, 2023 9:25 AM BST
Seems this 'feature' has been removed, hopefully for good.

I guess either it was installed by mistake, or they got negative feedback from the 'select few' who were the unpleasantly surprised unlucky recipients.

I now see full field for Grand National, and Masters Golf. No 'Show More' button.
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