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By:
strontium
When: 18 Mar 23 22:50
Read on here he's going to the Bowl at Aintree. HdB also thinking about it for A Plus Tard. Could be an interesting race, especially if Nicholls has got something for it too.
By:
eric_morris
When: 19 Mar 23 01:07
Shiskin is a faster ground horse he struggles to travel on slow ground. There is often a race that pushes a horse to it’s limit after which they are not the same again.

Coneygree the Gold Cup
Shiskin the Tingle Creek really hard race to beat Energumene
Edwardstone being bottomed in January trying to catch Editeur Du Gite

The weaknesses they could previously overcome come to the surface mentally more after a tougher than tough run.
By:
eric_morris
When: 19 Mar 23 01:08
I should know being a horse psychologist. Had several sessions with them all to discuss this.
By:
strontium
When: 19 Mar 23 12:11
Yes, a hard race bottoming a horse is quite common. Altior at Ascot was another. I think one of the things that defines the really great horses is that they can come back from such races and do it again and again (e.g. Desert Orchid, Kauto Star).

Incidentally, Shiskin/Energumene was the Clarence House Chase, not the Tingle Creek.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Mar 23 12:33
This hard race stuff needs some understanding.
So Shiskin had a hard race which has finished him, but the second Energumene, had just as hard a race but won its next three races.

I get it now.
By:
sageform
When: 19 Mar 23 12:33
All the hype about Galopin Des Champs winning 2 or three Gold Cups is remarkably similar to what we thought and read about A Plus Tard last year. GDC might become a multiple Gold Cup winner but history tells us that he probably won't. Bravemansgame also had the hardest race of his life so we can only hope that he recovers from it.
By:
strontium
When: 19 Mar 23 12:37
Horses are all different Dr Crippen (which is kind of the whole point of the sport). Some can't, or won't, go back to the well.

Sage - quite so.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Mar 23 12:59
At some point any horse is going to be past its best. It can show in several ways. In Shiskin's case it was that race against Emnergumene where he was getting beaten for speed all up the straight, until after the last where the eventual second called enough.

I'd say Shiskin isn't as good as it was. But that's not to say it can't win big races at the moment.
Shiskin is a nine year old, so it's reasonable to expect his best days are behind him now. As with the majority of horses when they reach that age.
But as you strontiun says ‘’they’re not all the same.’’
By:
Facts
When: 19 Mar 23 14:25
A 9 year old NH horse is past it's best ??
Are you having a laugh !!
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Mar 23 15:25
We have to make allowances for Facts.

He's a leftie. And it shows.
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