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Article from Greg Wood in 2008.

For fans of Betfair, the hiving off of its forum is the latest sign of the exchange's rapid corporatisation.

The users' forum on the Betfair betting exchange is not to everyone's taste. If some internet racing forums resemble a genteel discussion of matters of state in a Victorian drawing room, Betfair's can be more like a riot in the Coliseum. Some contributors like to think of themselves as Caesar, while others never tire of adding their voice to the raucous background noise. More tender souls, meanwhile, could well end up as lion food.

But the Betfair forum is also by far the largest and most lively aggregation of racing fans and gamblers anywhere on the web. It has been an important part of the exchange's appeal almost from its launch eight years ago, a way to advertise the person-to-person basis of the site and increase the sense of community.

Like any community, of course, it has its share of members with personality disorders: the bullies, the fantasists and barefaced liars, and the ones with such deep-seated anger-management issues that they should probably be under lock and key. But there are many others, too, who just want to talk punting with like-minded souls, and to do so in a forum where an honest opinion can be expressed, and even the odd insult hurled, without the sky falling in.

That, at least, is how it has always been, and those who didn't like it could easily surf off elsewhere. As of yesterday, though, the barbed wire may have started to fence off the wild frontier.

In a move which screams "float" even more plainly than the recent imposition of "premium charges" for some of its most successful clients, the responsibility for Betfair's forum has been hived off to a different part of the group - TSE Global Limited - with some important new procedures in place for forum users.

In particular, it will now be much easier to "report" other users (or at any rate, it will when the new forum actually works, since yesterday's launch survived for barely an hour before it crashed). This can only lead to the fairly rapid sanitisation of the entire forum.

Which is no bad thing, many would say. For anyone who has watched and admired Betfair's growth into a betting phenomenon, though, it follows the premium charge as the latest sign of the exchange's rapid corporatisation.

The punters who came together to make Betfair what it is are now just a means to an end, specifically a chunky share price when it floats. The forum, meanwhile, is a bit of an embarrassment.

Even Ben & Jerry sold out in the end, so the clear urge of Betfair's founders to spend more time with their money is both understandable and thoroughly well-earned. But when they are gone, what will remain?

This is surely the most intriguing question of all for punters who love the value and flexibility that exchange betting provides. Betfair's premium charge, remember, was apparently introduced because a small number of winners were felt to be draining too much money from the site's losers. Despite the dreadful PR, the money was required to keep the losers coming.

There must have been some good reason to allow their few rivals, along with many of their own customers, to kick them all over the park, and this one seems as plausible as any.

If Betfair had had a worthwhile competitor in the marketplace, though, it would never have dared to risk the loss of its precious liquidity. This, in turn, implies that its long-term viability may depend on the preservation of its effective monopoly in the market.

Now try this for a leap of logic. If a business model requires a monopoly to stop its customers eating it from within, then it is possible to argue that in the long term, it is a business model that doesn't work - which would be a good reason to cash in right now.

The graphs and projections at Betfair HQ no doubt suggest otherwise. It is arguable too that at some point in its expansion, it was inevitable that Betfair would want to draw a line under its humble beginnings and stride on into a shiny new profit-maximising future. Sadly, an edgy, rough-house internet forum probably has no place in that.
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Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 5, 2023 3:55 PM GMT
Some contributors like to think of themselves as Caesar

im spartacus.
Report saddo March 5, 2023 4:11 PM GMT
I congratulated the op yesterday, mistakenly thinking he had won a proper wad, all I got was abuse. Wac.
Report formoftheace March 5, 2023 4:11 PM GMT
Wood….if you don’t like it…..don’t fn read it….job done…
Report leif March 5, 2023 4:23 PM GMT
another one in the net
Report acey deucy March 5, 2023 4:44 PM GMT
I know you have just learned how to copy and paste sparrow but who gives a **** about this article 15 Years later?....Nay afence intended.Plain
Report sparrow March 5, 2023 4:58 PM GMT
Yes it's not up to the usual quality we now see on this forum but you are not forced to read it acey. By the way I was copying and pasting on here 20 years ago although why that should concern you is beyond my understanding.
Report ItsMeSwaddle March 5, 2023 5:06 PM GMT
I'd suggest there is a smarter crowd on here now rather than my first few years.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 5, 2023 5:07 PM GMT
wel sed sparra...who gives a fck marra...long as ya fillin ya barra..it dusnt marra.
Report acey deucy March 5, 2023 6:20 PM GMT
Naw it wisney a bad article sparrow.Plain
Report acey deucy March 5, 2023 6:24 PM GMT
The Forum is still essential reading though as we tell it how it is....Hiding behind our user names.Grin
Report formoftheace March 5, 2023 6:28 PM GMT
Quite a few of the originals have been mentioned by many a journo…..
Report sparrow March 5, 2023 6:29 PM GMT
Just good to look back at what people were saying about betfair and the forum back then and comparing it with what has actually happened.
Report formoftheace March 5, 2023 6:32 PM GMT
Agree
Report formoftheace March 5, 2023 6:33 PM GMT
Things were good then apart from the prk fawwon…..ball sack on par with TM……imo…
Report acey deucy March 5, 2023 6:58 PM GMT
I mean all the Racing media still look in to see what we are talking about.Wink
Report sparrow March 5, 2023 7:05 PM GMT
They are rechecking those 2012 postings I reckon Plain
Report Gaze733 March 5, 2023 7:49 PM GMT
reeko thinks he's Caesar
Report SlippyBlue March 5, 2023 8:03 PM GMT
"Fawwon?" You must be confusing him with someone else surely?

Fawwon is as sound as a pound and I'm still in contact with him in fact.
He got a permanent ban 10 years ago for some relatively tame remark about Shouty man and was always good value, to me and most others I would have thought anyway.
Each to their own I suppose.
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:09 PM GMT
I concur with Slippy. Top Bloke. Wondered why I hadn't seen him for a good while.
Report saxon farm March 5, 2023 8:10 PM GMT
Shoutyman got flyingbolt a lifetime ban around the same time for an  innocuous remark.
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:10 PM GMT
**Hadn't seen him post.
Report SlippyBlue March 5, 2023 8:13 PM GMT
I can well believe that S.F. I know exactly what Fawwon said, it was a criticism but it wasn't anything to get overly concerned about. Not even close in fact thinking about it now.
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:17 PM GMT
Does this Shouty geezer still post Slippy?
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:17 PM GMT
Does this Shouty geezer still post Slippy?
Report saxon farm March 5, 2023 8:19 PM GMT
shoutyman is commentator Mark Johnson, and no he does not post.
Report the dealer March 5, 2023 8:21 PM GMT
You know what's going to happen now Grin
Report the dealer March 5, 2023 8:22 PM GMT
When you think what is said now, it's  mental what they got barred for
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:23 PM GMT
Thanks for that sf. Do doubt he'll be on Twitter..
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 5, 2023 8:27 PM GMT
warwick hunt was the forums greatest ever..such a big miss.
Report formoftheace March 5, 2023 8:33 PM GMT
Must have been bad to get a lifetime ban….really bad…..imo…
Report sparrow March 5, 2023 8:35 PM GMT
Flyingbolt was a good poster and stood no nonsense.
Report formoftheace March 5, 2023 8:39 PM GMT
Fraser…williehaslike was a monster he gave me pelters…..hatred imo..
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:40 PM GMT
Frasier more like.
Report formoftheace March 5, 2023 8:40 PM GMT
Fraser…..
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:43 PM GMT
Never been a forumite named Fraser. (nap)
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:43 PM GMT
Frasier had a few names including Niles.
Report formoftheace March 5, 2023 8:48 PM GMT
Fair enough
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:51 PM GMT
Easy mistake ace and for those who remember he wrote the famous thread.....'A day in the life of a Betfair moderator'. How it was allowed to stand I have no idea but what a
Report stewarty b March 5, 2023 8:52 PM GMT
*laugh.
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