JOE CORAL / LADS AVOID SHOPS UTTER SCUM

Disgusting.

Any idea what other firms had him priced up at? That was a hell of a find backing KH. He’s been poor for ages.

Shocking Stuff , But why did he place 4 seperate 5 er Bets on the Machine ?

Mates who follow the game say should been 1000/1 lol

I'm sorry I dont have any more info than what is given on Twitter.

These floor tourneys I dont think you can get a bean on machine but correct me if that is wrong.

That's just plain wrong not as if £10k is anything to a huge firm like Ladbrokes!

I'd guess that he'd win this in court and if IBAS don't find in his favour they should be removed as an GC approved dispute resolution service.

I agree dave1357

Laddies should be 1000 to win this if IBAS are anywhere near fair.

They should also be made to pay a fine for wasting time.

Any way of finding out what he was on here before the tournamnet started ?

If it was a reasonable price recorded at time (and also well before time in placement) I don't see how they can avoid paying out, or how IBAS could rule against the punter...?

I should just point out my usual and ever more correct response - add to 'list of reasons not to use bookies'.

Stu
How else was he supposed to place the bet at those odds?

lads will never let this get to court anyway - a judgement on what is a "palpable error" would be horrendous for them and the rest.

saxon, principle only works if you trust the scum!

Looks like IBAS will award in his favour.Laddies will offer him S.P. only in future that's how high street bookies treat winners.
And you guys on here thought there wasn't anything lower than a snakes belly.
Well welcome to 2023.

If he wins ,he will have to go through 6 months of affordability checks before he greats his cash.
He will be paid in 50p's x20,000 and have to sign a non disclosure agreement that he doesn't talk about this to anyone online or in the real world
and agree that he never carries supeglue on him within 10 miles of a laddies shop.

Not sure why he would place 4 x 5 quid bets , Perhaps Limit per bet at odds was a Fiver ? If you use their machines do you need to log in or anything ?

Nevertheless they need to pay out  ,With that player winning surely they made a profit on the Market ?

Casemoney

You would be  amazed how much the ssbt take  first bet he shop took today 400 on  the ssbt. seems a million years since you worked for the major.

hope you are well

Ronnie

A long Time Ron and I rarely go in shops these Days ,Other than for a pish

I'm fine Ron hope your keeping well yourself

For people who lose and put money into these machines till the cows come home there is never any investigation.
Only winners are investigated.
I thought they are supposed to be investigating problem gambling not hunting winners?!

Was in one today first time for  a while,2 behind the counter ,1 on a machine that was it and i had to ask them to turn on tv with the Ayr betting ffs...

Feb 27, 2023 -- 8:52PM, ronnie rails wrote:

CasemoneyYou would be

Head office should be utterly ashamed.

cut the satellite cable & glue the locks rico style.

Thuggish behaviour…..imv…

hiff ewe were the manager yood be in the boot.

Feb 27, 2023 -- 6:20PM, dave1357 wrote:

lads will never let this get to court anyway - a judgement on what is a "palpable error" would be horrendous for them and the rest.

On the contrary they did a similar thing with a friend of mine and he went to court and won.  Was Hamilton to win SPOTY in 2014 and he'd backed him in several shops.  IBAS had ruled in Ladbroke's favour.  As my friend just said  the problem with arbitration is you don't get to hear what the other side submits which could be a load of lies or inaccuracies

He's clearly going to win in court if it gets that far.

Ladbrokes never turned up or even reply to the court summons and he was given judgement by default

presumably that was a small claim?  Not sure if this gents would be that, as it is right on the border. In any case, I was clumsily trying to make the point that they wouldn't like legal arguments to be heard, as apart from an obvious error on behalf of a front line staff member, they would have difficulty showing where the line is crossed between a professional mis-judgement in price setting and an obvious, ie paplpable, error.

And given that they get odds wrong every day, it would be an unfair contract term, if they and they alone could decide which were palpable errors and which were not.

Yeah small claims limit is £10k.  It was summat like 8 separate bets of £50 at 16/1 and they wanted to pay him at 6/1.

think he took the 6/1 under protest and sued for the difference.

and it definitely wasn't a palp.  Just best price and they hadn't changed the SPOTY prices after a pivotal Grand Prix race

Farty no real diff. If they are acting like scum no reason you shouldn’t if you are feeling petty

threatened to take koral to court a number of years ago (presumably before they got the list with my name on it ).  got phone call from someone quite high up next day telling me there was "no need for that" and the money in question was going into my account.  would recommend threatening with judiciary if any of these gangsters are being ar5eholes.  you vs them they're ok with.

The idea of palpable error is a great licence to back out of losers for bookies.

There is a basic principle in all betting that prices are 'wrong' or mistaken - so of course it's a possible excuse. Totally ridiculous though in context of modern betting such as an exchange - I'd love to claim a 'palp' on a few bet's I've offered over the years.

How about a palp is covered by the organisation if they created the error. They have enough limits on wins already in place to soak up any cost for sure.

That might mean they bothered with any costs in training and function of their business efficiency of course. Something they couldn't possibly bother with...

I cant understand why anyone bothers with IBAS. I would just threaten them with court action.

I think I read before that a large majority of IBAS cases find in favour of the bookie or betting operator.

They have inbuilt bias IMO, as I found out the one and only time I put in an appeal with them.

Agree Ladcrokes/Coral, despicable behaviour.

IBAS are a waste of time. The ruling in the Voler La Vedette - Betfair, being a typical example, when one considers Betfair didn't follow their own T&C's:

Your betting limit is represented by the lesser of: (i) your 'Available to Bet' balance shown in your account and (ii) your ‘Exposure Limit’ (which is available in the “Account Summary” tab in “My Account”). However in the event that we process an offer for a bet or the acceptance of a bet in an amount outside the applicable thresholds, such bet will nevertheless stand

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/mar/24/betfair-punters-voler-la-vedette

IBAS ruled against me in favour Victor Chandler, who didn't honour a win on a free £25 bet, despite me meeting all the criteria.

Theres a few ex traders/settlers on here. Its not hard to see how these decisions get made

Agree IBAS farcical

IBAS ruled against me in favour Victor Chandler, who didn't honour a win on a free £25 bet, despite me meeting all the criteria.

he rules against you, Victor sorts him out with a couple of free ladies.  all good

He's 150/1 here in the last 64 having just won a tournament.  Worst price 200/1 for the WC.  I mean, seriously, what are Ladbrokes playing at?  They may have meant 100/1, but it's not obvious.  Unless it's clear or at worst reasonably obvious the bookie has to pay up.  And they will, whether it goes to court or not.

He's facing Mike De Decker, so he's facing a rag, and there's still only £0.03 money wanting to back Huybrechts at 1000

Mar 3, 2023 -- 3:28PM, hulk23 wrote:

IBAS ruled against me in favour Victor Chandler, who didn't honour a win on a free £25 bet, despite me meeting all the criteria.he rules against you, Victor sorts him out with a couple of free ladies.

You also seem to have a strong case of verbal Diarrea, not personally sure of the cure.

your tirades are verging on bullying swaddle. 

they do you no favours. 

just saying

Sorry your the best tipster

merci

These dosssrs should be shut down.

Walk in today after gym to try and bet a dog at Sheff, 4/1.

Takes 15 mins for bloke to get back on blower.

Sorry we cant do that.

Well what can I have?

Nothing sorry.

Didnt lay a bean yet still cut the price to 3/1 .

Tbh dont know why I bothered.

You must be a ‘face’ they don’t like faces in the betting world…..could be a compliment….

Dogs are not hugely my thing - but why do the bet in a shop rather than on here?

formoftheace 07 Mar 23 14:57 
You must be a ‘face’

swad resembles lurch.

That is the question Longbridge ? Seems bizarre to not put it on here.

Ladbrokes appear to have realised that they were wrong and paid out at 500-1

https://twitter.com/RooneyMal/status/1630276896557547521?cxt=HHwWgoC2jeWM9J8tAAAA
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longbridge 07 Mar 23 14:58 
Dogs are not hugely my thing - but why do the bet in a shop rather than on here?


no liquidity till 10 mins to race.

Yeah no liquid, I still think I am beating the price in a 130% market is the reason.

I aint a face Formy hadnt been in for years.

That may well be the issue they didnt know who I was, they also made no attempt to see who I was.

I tell you what why dont I just mark your card for nothing!

I cant blame anyone for putting NOTHING back into this game, the corps are all take give nixxy.

Shame.

Correct Rico . So why not try and put the bet on 10 mins or less prior to the race starting . If i was out and about in town or whatever i  would just put it on using my phone ( on the Betfair App ) a few minutes before the race started .In most cases i would then get round about 11 /2 or maybe even 6/1 for what the bookies profess to be a 4 /1 shot !

If you beat the SP in gambling you will win.

Therefore on this basis I wanted 4/1.

Dog is Blue in the 2012 Sheff.

Will prob lose.

According to StewB dog man anyway

I cant even see the dog you are referring to Swaddle . Nevertheless hope you collect whatever it is .

sludge 07 Mar 23 16:13 
Correct Rico . So why not try and put the bet on 10 mins or less prior to the race starting

becos if the 4/1 is out of line it wont be near 4/1 come race time.

2/1 with b356.

sludge 07 Mar 23 16:26 
I cant even see the dog you are referring to Swaddle . Nevertheless hope you collect whatever it is .


Could be trap 3 ……blue jacket……imo…..lol

Oops it’s trap two that is blue……not a dog person myself…

If they stop people betting in shop in the way you're suggesting Swaddle, how on earth do they actually do any business/make profit these days...?

Presumably just mugs only, but bizzarely they wont even take a risk finding out.

Oh and machine players, was a couple on there on the fruit machines making stupid noises.

yep, know they are all glorified casinos these days, but you'd think they'd still want to have some income from standard betting....

If you beat the SP in gambling you will win.

Also -

If you beat the SP in gambling you will be limited to zero, pronto ("Well what can I have? Nothing sorry") 

If you beat the SP in gambling your name will be added to the list of people who beat the SP in gambling for every other bookie in the uk to see.

If you beat the SP in gambling you will win.

Also -

If you try to beat the SP in gambling on here (by backing and laying) the owner will stick a bet in front of yours to make it much harder to achieve

hulk - why do you believe bookies would "add a name to the list" to help their competitors?

I entirely get why any bookie would restrict punters frequently beating SP, but why let the others know?  Surely let the punter go from (eg) WH to PP and watch their competitor lose money until they spot them too?

Also how are you a 'name' if betting in a shop? Thought you were just a face, or has that changed too now...can tell I don't use bookies can't you...

it's called you scratch my back etc.  it's the bookies v the punters longbridge.  all the traders know each other, brownie points for fingering another "filthy SP beater"

get torpedoed at bet vc.  2 days later your hills accounts down to max win 8 pence.

How do they 'name' you when you walk in a place in a betting shop...?

... Correct Stu, thats why the grid cards and any other sign up are a definite NO NO.

thats why the grid cards and any other sign up are a definite NO NO

correct.  that's what anything where they want your details comes into play.  and why they've teamed up with their bedfellows at the GC to smuggle it in under the guise of being your responsible gambling "mate". 

there's also facial recognition - that's how sh!t scared they are that someone takes 3/1 when it's 3.95 to lay here.

Good luck Swads, he has had some cracking dogs in his time, must be hard to price up these Maiden opens unless you are a regular at the track or watching replays.

Yeh, I had vaguely known about sign-up cards etc, I think a long time ago was once given one, and chucked it in the bin.

They can't force anyone to sign up to them, can they?

can i have £5 at 3/1 please.  certainly, can we just take your details for responsible gambling purposes please ?  thank you (dave, quickly check to see if this mugs names on the list of undesirable punters).  just waiting for the computer sir.

not sure they do it for wagons- i suspect not but they sure do for staff

what happens if you say no thanks? Flat refuse to take your bets?

name - mister blobby
address - bbc television centre, wood lane, london w12 7rj

check away ...

suspected that was you bulk

Bookmaking firms are scum - with heavy PR operations.

ALWAYS place bets online. If they are outlandish in any way then screenshot the bet acceptance screen. If they welsh you then go straight to the gambling ombudsman and the newspapers.

Never have any truck with betting shops. They are full of w*nkers and regarded as the lowest cattle troughs in the business.

They should just put the white flag up, offering 13/8 pokes at 4/1 earlier in the day is a shambles. That was without much digging, someone in the game years could have a field day...actually no they couldnt...for obvious reasons

Won 13-8 Nationwide gamble

Started by Joe Koral chopping 4 to 3 without laying a bean.

The poor bloke wud be turning in his grave or pi$$ing himself laughing at the state of the game, 1 of the 2

Well done Swads.

I didnt bet it

More bad news for lads today another fine

It still amazes me that the general public dont see these shops for what they are.

I dont blame anyone that works in them btw, I'd rather do that than something else, fair play.

With the volume down ideally!!!

If only a fairly small fraction of the bookie punter money actually transfered itself into the exchange, just imagine...