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NAIL ON HEAD article - re: gormless Gambling Commission - and Affordability
NAIL ON HEAD article - re: gormless Gambling Commission - and Affordability
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halcyon - Should they look at the "young men" first or brace themselves to deal with the newest ticking time bomb of girls/women problem gamblers that is about to explode in their face?
dustybin20 Feb 23 13:59Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 23,977 | Blogger: dustybin's blogYou cant have watched thise Nick Luck interview, because if you had youd have seen the GC guy sidestep the question regarding bookies not taking bets. Dusty - I don't know why you keep referencing this ^ I have no expectation whatsoever of a regulator addressing this issue - I accepted long ago that UK "bookmakers" will only do business with "recreational" gamblers, mugs and losers. And that they only still "suffer" horse-racing at all because it is a gateway to more addictive products. |
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Because you have always made out either directly or indirectly the fact bookies deserve regulating is because they turn people away from betting of sports.
When it has absoultely nothing to do with the regulation that is about stopping people bet on anything. You make out like bookies who dont want your bets will be made to take bets once they (in theory) are restricted from allowing people bet on slots etc. Otherwise dont even make the point about you not being able to bet with them. |
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You have said all of that - I have said none of it.
Because I disagree with your very extreme (imo) views - you have pigeon-holed me to be as extreme as you are - but in the other direction - such is modern life. I'd like to see all relevant parties work together pragmatically to find a workable solution. |
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Tell me the pragmatic way you will stop the offering of unregulated online slots to those not allowed to bet with regulated ones online.
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The Management, good afternoon.
Wasn't aware of any of the fairer sex ( sorry Sam ) ''topping'' themselves !! |
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If I do, will you pay me £185k per year, plus pension, car allowance and expenses?
Actually scrap that, I can't be bothered to think it through - lets go your route - we will just stop people going to those "evil" unregulated online slots, by offering good unregulated online slots.   |
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...that pay for the treatment if the person can take ownership of responsibility
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so, you cant.
As I always knew. Your logic again falls on its arse because any regulation thats added is about stopping people who want to gamble from gambling (without ANY assistance. You are getting so god damn boring I cant take anymore of your fking nonsense or ill start insulting you again. |
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I hope I'm wrong Halcyon - but the days of "problem gamblers" being predominantly male are numbered imo.
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dustybin20 Feb 23 15:02Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 23,981 | Blogger: dustybin's blog
so, you cant. Get yourself on-line, try to buy a semi-automatic rifle, a kilo of heroin, 2 underage Romanian Teenagers and a contract killer. I guess it can be done - but I think you will find it is quite difficult, possibly illegal. You might end up in trouble, get arrested, get fined, lose your job, go to prison. If only there was somebody in Govt that could make laws. |
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Wow
Not only intent on potentially destroying jobs within the gambling sector and possibly pushing sports betting like horse racing into destitution...but outlawing the act of trying to place a bit with any unregulated entity, onus on the individual? And/or having to finance a spy network to do such a thing. That communications bill really getting ramped up eh...is there any end to the stasi state you envision? |
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Its a remarkable unbalance of logic on this one.
So a person has the responsibility of only attempting to bet with providers under regulation, but its not their responsibility to realise when theyve just sponked all their money again that they needed to live on? What happened to these poor habitual souls? Their actions are now punishable then are they? |
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I really hope they don't but I just thought it would really outrage you.
 But making it unlawful to do business with an unlawful company is hardly draconian imo. How are you getting on with the list of items I posted? The bottom line is, that you don't think gambling can be harmful to anybody under any circumstances - so you don't believe it should be regulated at all. The "conversation" is pointless. Whether it should be regulated or not, is not up for debate currently. So you are opn the wrong thread. |
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It just shows you havnt got a fking clue man.
You come out with this emphasis about how the irresponsible can do no wrong, until asked how youd fix it and you suggest punishing them. I think a pen can be harmful, I think sharp objects and cars can be harmful, but they are all given elements of trust on how a person uses them. |
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Can you legally buy alcohol from somebody that doesn't have a license to sell it iyo?
If you get caught buying heroin, do they let you off and just deal with the vendor? Those are the comparisons you (and other smoke and mirror merchants) want to make - but they don't stand up. Now you are going on about pens ffs - I can only repeat this one more time: The bottom line is, that you don't think gambling can be harmful to anybody under any circumstances - so you don't believe it should be regulated at all. The "conversation" is pointless. Whether it should be regulated or not, is not up for debate currently. So you are on the wrong thread. |
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Legally buy alcohol....its about how you would stop them.
You are saying the act of betting is doing the individual harm, now you suggest the only way to stop them harming themselves is to punish them. And yeah, they arrest the dealer rather than the junkie...infact they actually give them methadone which is heroine substiutue. You know owt? It is fking regulated, it has to carry warnings, oblige to a set of rules regarding advertising and enticements and pay a % towards rehabilitation (If the GC fail holding them to the full extent of this its them who failed) |
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You dont know what the first fk you are talking about and look an absolute clueless twa t
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Lets leave it there - you can completely misrepresent some of the things I have said today, same time next week.
One of the apple trees in my orchard is looking a bit sick, it's gone brown and withered - Luckily this kind chap from Ladbrokes is coming round to help me chop them all down because he's not sure which one it is! |
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Good god almighty he’s still biting…
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Talking of problem gamblers - right on cue - good afternoon fartonyerface.
Shouldn't you be busy chasing like a degenerate addict by now? |
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the jarndyce vs jarndyce of gambolling fred
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I am up for it if there is an inheritance to be had mitolo.
I think we can safely say the same for dusty. |
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busty is a machine. youd think he was on something if you didnt know he never has and never would
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I'm finding that very doubtful tbh - but will take yer word for it.
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One of the Big dangers of a gambling addiction is its almost undetectable to family and friends (unlike alcohol and drugs.) So with this new AI, online casinos and bookmakers know exactly who has a problem, but only a few percent get checked to make them look like they are acting.
The gambling white paper due sometime this century will smash down hard on online casinos, as government intervenes into the Gambling Commission, IMO. I truly believe an independent organization, like the one in Germany, will happen here too. I do believe the Big Boys already know this! |
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Here's My view: If you can afford to lose money you can afford (Carry On) If you can't, you will be stopped in your tracks. Personally, having worked in this area, I don't have a problem with it.
But there are ways to implement this fair for everyone. Now, restricting anyone in horse racing who wins a few bets, that's a whole different thing. IMO this is what's really happening with betting turnover, plus field sizes, plus nobody has much money any more to waste, we are in a recession. The Racing Post don't mention this! |
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For a GC licenced firm:
Your account has been referred to our safer gambling team as you have been spending more than our average customer recently. As a responsible gambling operator, we have some concerns regarding your affordability and have placed some temporary restrictions on your account. Please note that any balance you have on the account is still available for withdrawal. If you believe that your gambling levels are under control and have no affordability issues, then please feel free to provide us with any further evidence you may have to support this. Please see the list below for some examples of acceptable documents: • Salary (recent payslips or proof of earnings if self-employed) • Bank statements • Betting activities (lifetime betting account statements) • Commercial enterprise • Inheritance The documents must be dated within the last three months and be full copies (no excerpts or screenshots) which clearly display your details in order for us to verify your affordability. Once we have received your documents (please provide more than one) and approved your gambling levels, the restrictions placed on your account will be removed and you will be free to play again. |
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Only allowed to speak to customer services. No contact allowed with the 'safer gambler team'.
Customers services refused to say who would have access to the documents and have they would be secured. Only complaints please go to IBAS. |
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If anyone 'spending' more than the average customer over a timespan is asked for this I cannot see how they would have any customers left.
Who actually gives over the details without knowing how secure they are and who has access? |
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And how does one firm know how much I am 'spending' with all the other firms and offline?
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frog - you need to do a bit of "role reversal" imo.
Hit them with a DSAR (Data Subject Access Request) - google it and take the "free text" sections, take the time to make it as specific, detailed and wide-ranging as possible. It's free of charge (although some charge businesses charge a "nominal fee". It's very revealing - but more importantly it is incredibly frustrating. A detailed request (from somebody that knows what they are doing) can take weeks of manpower to comply with (but they must comply). The Racing Post says it wants to stop this (ridiculously low deposit limits for people claiming to be recreational gamblers. So it's a surprise to me that as well as their (bookmaker sponsored) letter template to your MP, they haven't also provided a template for a terribly time consuming DSAR request!  Perhap they will do so in the near future - to help you fight back against the intrusive nanny state! - but maybe don't hold your breath. Seriously though - don't get mad, get even! submit a DSAR, it will make all the sh1te they have asked you for, look like a stroll in the park! |
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...... as you have been spending more than our average customer recently
------------- Well that line of reasoning and rationale is completely FLAWED thinking - as - Such a calculation has, therefore, to assumes that all their "average customers" earns almost exactly the Same salary, and have exactly the same, outings - and thus the same amount of remaining disposable income. |
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And just to be clear Frog - the communication you have received is from a "BOOKMAKER"?
It's not from the "interfering" Gambling Commission or the "nanny state" government? |
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The calculation is also is regressive.
If you continue to take above average sums away then the resulting average will be lower. |
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This is the lowering of the equilibrium that Ive referred to in the past
Its what happens when you measure against the lowerst ability rather than against the higher. |