lost his job with his old reliable trainer and questions about fitness and his ability since injury, imo he cant be far off retirement he had a great retainer and must have plenty of cash but and ive seen it a few times with trainers as well as jocks where, when they have a short time to finishing then they try to make as much as they can while its still there and it could be thats what we are now seeing imo or as he gets less rides and once rumors spread its gets less and less rides, i recall early betfair days the going rate was 5-10k to stop em and although the certain jockeys are still riding they cleaned up there act, they were lucky
lost his job with his old reliable trainer and questions about fitness and his ability since injury, imo he cant be far off retirement he had a great retainer and must have plenty of cash but and ive seen it a few times with trainers as well as jocks
the horse was going that well - would probably have won if he'd just sat there & done nothing - he must've thought if i "pull this off heels" - all the way to a detached last, it's going to look fkng awful. but did it anyway
the horse was going that well - would probably have won if he'd just sat there & done nothing - he must've thought if i "pull this off heels" - all the way to a detached last, it's going to look fkng awful. but did it anyway
Plenty going overboard on here. The horse looks a tricky ride, needs covering up as much as possible thus requiring luck in running. The type that needs everything to fall into place and will still find one too good.
Plenty going overboard on here. The horse looks a tricky ride, needs covering up as much as possible thus requiring luck in running. The type that needs everything to fall into place and will still find one too good.
This will all be forgotten soon until the next time
You accept or walk….just don’t punt the guy
TV and media will never mention the race unless it happens live on ITV….the a guy like Ed Chamberlain will imo mention it…no danger….
Unfortunately Ruby Walsh covers NH …there would be no hiding place….
This will all be forgotten soon until the next timeYou accept or walk….just don’t punt the guyTV and media will never mention the race unless it happens live on ITV….the a guy like Ed Chamberlain will imo mention it…no danger….Unfortunately
It looked like he was riding for luck, hoping the gap would come. This horse looks the type you need to trick into winning, getting there right on the line. The drop from 84 down to 52 is a big give away and despite trying all sorts of tactics (front running, chasing the pace, held up) they can't get the horse to win again. I would factor this into the price if you consider backing it.
It looked like he was riding for luck, hoping the gap would come. This horse looks the type you need to trick into winning, getting there right on the line. The drop from 84 down to 52 is a big give away and despite trying all sorts of tactics (front
Whippin in that famous river De Nile....., cant believe anyone can try and justify the ride at all. It will all come to light down the road one would imagine.
Whippin in that famous river De Nile....., cant believe anyone can try and justify the ride at all. It will all come to light down the road one would imagine.
Whippin Piccadilly 06 Jan 23 13:19 Plenty going overboard on here. The horse looks a tricky ride, needs covering up as much as possible thus requiring luck in running. The type that needs everything to fall into place and will still find one too good.
One too good maybe, but it is not quite like that is it?
Whippin Piccadilly 06 Jan 23 13:19 Plenty going overboard on here. The horse looks a tricky ride, needs covering up as much as possible thus requiring luck in running. The type that needs everything to fall into place and will still find one too goo
Speaking to a trainer who was there, there was a strong headwind and the going was testing (not enough info on artificial surfaces and how they are riding) maybe explain a bit how the race panned out and the fact that there was 2 treble figure winners on the card.
Just a thought not a defence.
Speaking to a trainer who was there, there was a strong headwind and the going was testing (not enough info on artificial surfaces and how they are riding) maybe explain a bit how the race panned out and the fact that there was 2 treble figure winner
the dealer, I hope you are on the wind up. Keep covered up for part of the race by all means but the intention must be to hit the front by the time you reach the lollipop. Mulrennan had zero intention of achieving that.
the dealer, I hope you are on the wind up. Keep covered up for part of the race by all means but the intention must be to hit the front by the time you reach the lollipop. Mulrennan had zero intention of achieving that.
What that there was a strong headwind and the going was testing ??
I've already given my view on the race, looked horrendous but it might explain a bit how the race panned out, why a mediocre horse travelled so well and finished with so much running left. I've already said I don't think it's a given the horse will run the same next time, WP gives a pretty good evaluation of the horse imho
The only person who knows if it was bent was the jockey but as has been said, his history and previous rides there are beginning to stack up against him.
What that there was a strong headwind and the going was testing ?? I've already given my view on the race, looked horrendous but it might explain a bit how the race panned out, why a mediocre horse travelled so well and finished with so much running
the dealer, as a complete one-off ,ill-judged, brain fade ride maybe, but as you say I think there's a double-figure number of rides that could be questioned in recent months, I hope there's already an investigation on-going.
the dealer, as a complete one-off ,ill-judged, brain fade ride maybe, but as you say I think there's a double-figure number of rides that could be questioned in recent months, I hope there's already an investigation on-going.
One of the horses that raced prominently fell back into his lap. Now you could question if this was the right horse to track. There's obviously talent there but I still wouldn't be in a hurry to back it at a short price.
One of the horses that raced prominently fell back into his lap. Now you could question if this was the right horse to track. There's obviously talent there but I still wouldn't be in a hurry to back it at a short price.
WP, the question must not be about how genuine the horse is or isn't, it's about the effort from the saddle and how genuine that was in achieving a best placing.
WP, the question must not be about how genuine the horse is or isn't, it's about the effort from the saddle and how genuine that was in achieving a best placing.
The tv, media and BHA never asked any questions about Eddie Ahearn and Dean McEwan for long enough. When it was quite obvious to a lot of punters what was going on. This will be the same .The last thing they want is bad publicity, their hope is it will drift away and all the punters will carry on ,and keep lining the pockets of these cowards.
The tv, media and BHA never asked any questions about Eddie Ahearn and Dean McEwan for long enough. When it was quite obvious to a lot of punters what was going on. This will be the same .The last thing they want is bad publicity, their hope is it wi
know all - Apologies, I cannot seem to highlight your earlier post. You make very good points. All I will add is that its not just 'end of career' jockeys that pull strokes, especially on the sand. In the mid 2000s, a future champion jockey (and classic winner) was clearly up to no good as well.
know all - Apologies, I cannot seem to highlight your earlier post. You make very good points. All I will add is that its not just 'end of career' jockeys that pull strokes, especially on the sand. In the mid 2000s, a future champion jockey (and clas
Anyone remember Fallon getting beat on the aw on a horse that was fully ten lengths clear at the furlong? They were gnashing and wailing on here that day!
Anyone remember Fallon getting beat on the aw on a horse that was fully ten lengths clear at the furlong?They were gnashing and wailing on here that day!
That was it. Thanks Michael. Jack Hogan just rode a winner really well at Ludlow, having to switch and come from behind after a sustained battle - worth watching the finish.
That was it. Thanks Michael.Jack Hogan just rode a winner really well at Ludlow, having to switch and come from behind after a sustained battle - worth watching the finish.
hong kong fooey 06 Jan 23 15:18 The tv, media and BHA never asked any questions about Eddie Ahearn and Dean McEwan for long enough.
spot on...the bha simply do not want controversy.
hong kong fooey 06 Jan 23 15:18 The tv, media and BHA never asked any questions about Eddie Ahearn and Dean McEwan for long enough. spot on...the bha simply do not want controversy.
There was worse than KF, as much as I disliked him. Others continued the fiddle. Its mad to think now, but on the early/mid 2000s Irish trainers stopped sending horses to winter AW meetings in England. Went over with good chances, but were told by the jockeys cabal 'not winning today.' As I said earlier, one of the tricksters became a champion.
There was worse than KF, as much as I disliked him. Others continued the fiddle. Its mad to think now, but on the early/mid 2000s Irish trainers stopped sending horses to winter AW meetings in England. Went over with good chances, but were told by th
Kieren Fallon was yesterday accused of systematic corruption to protect the interests of a fraudulent betting syndicate. The race-fixing trial at the Old Bailey was told that the six-times champion jockey had sought to prevent numerous horses from winning, though he was not always able to do so. And even those bungles, which cost the scam hundreds of thousands of pounds, had served to betray his involvement, because they had resulted in angry changes in strategy.
Fallon is among six defendants, including two other riders, facing a charge of conspiracy to defraud customers of the online betting exchange, Betfair. They all deny the allegations against them.
Resuming his opening submissions, Jonathan Caplan QC claimed that Fallon had thrown a race that was palpably within the grasp of his mount. Riding Ballinger Ridge, at Lingfield in March 2004, Fallon appeared to stop riding as he entered the home straight with a huge lead. Fallon told a stewards' inquiry at the time that he had given the horse "a breather", being afraid that the horse might become "legless". After Ballinger Ridge was caught close home by another horse, Rye, the stewards found Fallon guilty of an error of judgement. But Caplan said that they could not be aware of the bigger picture at the time.
Uniquely among the 27 races listed for the jury, in this case the Jockey Club had previously alerted officials at the track that Ballinger Ridge had been laid to lose a large amount of money.
Caplan claimed that Fergal Lynch, one of the other jockeys charged, had in this instance acted as an intermediary between Fallon and Miles Rodgers, who is alleged to have orchestrated the conspiracy and controlled a number of Betfair accounts.
Charting telephone and text traffic, Caplan told the jury that Rodgers had called Lynch several times before the race, and that Lynch had sent Fallon a text at 1.40pm. Rodgers spoke to Lynch for a final time 10 minutes before the race, and two minutes later began to lay Ballinger Ridge to lose over £72,000. When Rye caught Fallon's horse the bet won over £26,000.
An Australian expert, who will be giving evidence during the trial, had viewed a video of the race and concluded that this was "not a marginal case of a jockey inadvertently dropping his hands". Caplan said that Ray Murrihy will tell the jury how Ballinger Ridge was still running within himself passing the two furlong pole, five or six lengths clear. "But Mr Fallon then dramatically slows his momentum to the point where he is doing virtually nothing," Caplan said. "Prior to the furlong marker Mr Fallon turns and looks back. The other runners are four to five lengths behind. Mr Fallon eases the horse down, which would send the message to the horse that the race was over. Mr Fallon looks round again at the half-furlong and sees, or presumably sees, Rye coming."
Caplan then claimed that Fallon only tried to get Ballinger Ridge to renew his effort once Rye was going past, by which stage he had lost momentum. "There is no legitimate reason why Mr Fallon would need to be looking back and steadying his horse down with a furlong to go," he said. The jury would have to decide whether this was a terrible mistake, or whether Fallon wanted Rye to beat his mount.
Fallon, Lynch, Rodgers and three others deny conspiring to make 27 horses lose between December 2002 and September 2004. The accused are: Fallon, 42, formerly of Newmarket, Cambridgeshire, but now of Tipperary, Ireland; Lynch, 29, of Boroughbridge, North Yorkshire; a third jockey, Darren Williams, 29, of Leyburn, North Yorkshire; Lynch's brother, Shaun, 37, of Belfast; Rodgers, 38, of Silkstone, South Yorkshire; and Philip Sherkle, 42, of Tamworth, Staffordshire. Rodgers also denies concealing the proceeds of crime. All the defendants are on bail.
Caplan said that the prosecution would illustrate its concerns about several other rides. He indicated that Murrihy had reservations about the tactics used by Lynch and Williams in the majority of their rides under review. In Fallon's case, Murrihy was unhappy with six of his 17 rides – Ballinger Ridge, Doctor Hilary, Lost Soldier Three, Goodwood Spirit, Barking Mad and Beauvrai – even though the latter pair had both won. For various reasons, Fallon had been unable to stop three others from winning, as well, while in the other races there had been no need for any intervention.
The jury was told that Fallon's wins, far from exonerating him, demonstrated his involvement in the conspiracy. Caplan said his success on Russian Rhythm, in much the most prestigious race under review, cost the conspirators £160,000. "The prosecution case here is that Rodgers and the other conspirators were clearly expecting the horse to lose under Mr Fallon, but something went wrong," Caplan said. "The prosecution cannot say precisely what went wrong, but we can and do say that Shaun Lynch was seen as an unreliable intermediary after this and eventually was replaced... by Mr Philip Sherkle."
During the days after Russian Rhythm's success, Caplan claimed that urgent attempts were made to meet Fallon, and possibly to confront him. Rodgers and Shaun Lynch went to Leicester racecourse and had given Fallon and another jockey a lift to a nearby airport. A week later Shaun Lynch made concerted efforts to set up a meeting, at one stage sending Fallon 17 texts.
That night, along with Shaun Lynch, Sherkle and another man, Rodgers was observed driving at 1am towards the village where Fallon was living. But he turned around after confronting an unmarked police car. They would not have known that its driver was a surveillance officer, Caplan said, but they were obviously concerned that they might be being watched. "The prosecution suggests that this incident is completely inconsistent with any suggestion that might be made by the defence that Fallon was simply tipping Mr Sherkle and Mr Rodgers," Caplan emphasised.
In August 2004, Fergal Lynch and Rodgers had flown to Spain, and Caplan said that a ticket had also been purchased for Fallon, but that he failed to show up for the flight. An undercover policeman was also aboard and, after they disembarked at Malaga, Rodgers was overheard to tell Lynch: "When you meet the big man, play up to him. He's coming down internally." Caplan claimed that they had travelled to meet one of the unknown conspirators.
The trial continues today.
Under the spotlight: The 27 races alleged to have been fixed
KIEREN FALLON
Ballinger Ridge
Lingfield, 2 March 2004
Liability £72,312
Result 2nd of 10.
Profit £26,599.
Russian Rhythm
Newbury, 15 May
2004
Liability £160,256
Result 1st
Loss £160,256
Levitator
Warwick, 14 June 2004
Liability £79,276
Result 2nd of five
Profit £10,842
Krynica
Pontefract, 20 June 2004
Liability £165,905
Result 1st
Loss £165,905
Bubbling Fun
Lingfield, 30 June
2004
Liability £58,599
Result 3rd of 11
Profit £11,323
Bonecrusher
Epsom, 8 July
2004
Liability £101,967
Result: 5th of six
Profit £20,943
Right Answer
York, 10 July 2004
Liability £120,895
Result 2nd of 10
Profit £20,334
Favour
Doncaster, 15 July
2004
Liability £100,876
Result 7th of 11
Profit £12,286
Doctor Hilary
Ayr, 19 July 2004
Liability £106,567
Result 2nd of eight
Profit £25,110
Daring Aim
Newmarket, 23 July 2004
Liability £105,078
Result 1st
Loss £105,078
Dubai Venture
Ayr, 6 August
2004
Liability £57,616
Result 6th of 14
Profit £3,843
Lost Soldier Three
Newbury, 13 Aug 2004
Liability £77,849
Result 2nd of eight
Profit £18,929
Goodwood Spirit
Goodwood, 14 August 2004
Liability £116,738
Result 3rd of nine
Profit £29,822
Rangoon
Goodwood, 14 August 2004
Liability £89,065
Result 2nd of five
Profit £36,486
Dial Square
Yarmouth, 16 August
2004
Liability £39,927
Result 17th of 20
Profit £2,692
Barking Mad
Windsor, 23 August
2004
Liability £106,832
Result 1st
Loss £106,832
Beauvrai
Yarmouth, 24 August 2004
Liability £19,140
Result 1st
Loss £19,140
FERGAL LYNCH
CD Europe
Southwell, 18 February
2003
Liability £35,784
Result 8th of 10
Profit £1,973
South Atlantic
Thirsk, 10 May
2003
Liability £35,723
Result 2nd of 18
Profit £16,623
Kristikhab
Carlisle, 16 July
2004
Liability £25,623
Result 7th of 10
Profit £4,986
Bond Babe
Ripon, 31 August
2004
Liability £64,084
Result 3rd of 13
Profit £12,466
Familiar Affair
Ripon, 31 August
2004
Liability £43,328
Result 1st
Loss £43,328
Bond City
Ripon, 31 August 2004
Liability £68,763
Result 2nd of eight
Profit £12,537
DARREN WILLIAMS
Legal Set
Lingfield, 30 Dec 2002
Liability £73,820
Result: 3rd of 14
Profit £20,759
Chispa
Newcastle, 24 March 2003
Liability £13,362
Result 3rd of 14
Profit £1,260
Romil Satr
Southwell, 25 June 2004
Liability £92,125
Result 2nd of nine
Profit £16,335
Wares Home
Yarmouth, 30 June 2004
Liability £90,804
Result 3rd of 11
Profit £16,556
Kieren Fallon was yesterday accused of systematic corruption to protect the interests of a fraudulent betting syndicate. The race-fixing trial at the Old Bailey was told that the six-times champion jockey had sought to prevent numerous horses from wi
I haven’t done the sums but there’s half a dozen winners in the list Sparrow posted. All those were to big liabilities too. Makes you wonder if the risk/reward is worth it. Was there even a profit from those posted?
It makes you wonder what goes through a jockeys head when he’s throwing a race and finds himself in front. Dilemma time. Win it or make it blatantly obvious by losing it.
I haven’t done the sums but there’s half a dozen winners in the list Sparrow posted. All those were to big liabilities too. Makes you wonder if the risk/reward is worth it. Was there even a profit from those posted?It makes you wonder what goes t
he's been on my can't touch list for many years now and any experienced race watcher can see that the very fact that he is a VERY GOOD jockey is why he's gotten away with it for as long as he has...I'd say around 1 in 20 of his rides warrant serious investigation by stewards/BHA but is that happening - no way!!
it was particularly galling last year when Jim Goldie was having an absolute worldie, although it was very noticeable that mulrennan rode fewer shockers on Goldie horses than he had in the past
there will always be some smart donkey ancestor piping up with a 'why don't you lay him' but since only a few in the know, know when he's going to pull a shocker, that would only clear out your account, because as I say above he is a VERY GOOD jockey and rides for some good stables
he's been on my can't touch list for many years now and any experienced race watcher can see that the very fact that he is a VERY GOOD jockey is why he's gotten away with it for as long as he has...I'd say around 1 in 20 of his rides warrant serious
hong kong fooey 06 Jan 23 09:47 This jockey was proven to be a wrong with his mate in India. British racing just ignored that.
Hang on a tick, hkf, I'm not sure about them being "ignored", didn't RTV make one of them an "ambassador", and the other is sat there on their comfy sofa picking up a wage every Friday?
hong kong fooey 06 Jan 23 09:47This jockey was proven to be a wrong with his mate in India. British racing just ignored that. Hang on a tick, hkf, I'm not sure about them being "ignored", didn't RTV make one of them an "ambassador", and the other is
I don't think there have been any dodgy rides by Mulrennan at Newcastle. As the dealer says, sometimes they're not going much pace and horses that have been held up don't get the breaks, or horses are falling back into their laps, which has happened with this horse and Rory on occasions at Newcastle.
What they could have done him for on this latest one imo, was the tender handling when he was in the clear and maybe with more vigorous effort he might have got 4th place.
But here's my take on it...I don't think there have been any dodgy rides by Mulrennan at Newcastle. As the dealer says, sometimes they're not going much pace and horses that have been held up don't get the breaks, or horses are falling back into thei
Was discussed on the barstewards' sunday sermon this evening where old forum hero jonjo is one of the panelists, and sorry to disappoint you basilbrush, but they didn't put the boot in
Was discussed on the barstewards' sunday sermon this evening where old forum hero jonjo is one of the panelists, and sorry to disappoint you basilbrush, but they didn't put the boot infrom around 51 minutes inhttps://twitter.com/BarstewardsThe/status
Doesn't look like Calvin and co. will be discussing the ride on "weighed in"...Bin Ryllie and Barry Orr no doubt looking after their seats on the train
Doesn't look like Calvin and co. will be discussing the ride on "weighed in"...Bin Ryllie and Barry Orr no doubt looking after their seats on the train
And when it gets beat Thursday some will say "I told it was a dodge"
think it has to lose next time as well, you'd imagine they'll have had a chat & agreed it will look even worse if it comes out and hacks up ... possibly unlucky again ? pulled off heels until detached last, ran on. eyecatcher (again).
And when it gets beat Thursday some will say "I told it was a dodge"think it has to lose next time as well, you'd imagine they'll have had a chat & agreed it will look even worse if it comes out and hacks up ... possibly unlucky again ? pulled off he
Was discussed on"Weighed In"..just towards the very end of the pod...not condemning the ride but TC agreeing that it looked bad but with no head on impossible to fairly judge...he's looking for a link for a viewing of the head on..
Was discussed on"Weighed In"..just towards the very end of the pod...not condemning the ride but TC agreeing that it looked bad but with no head on impossible to fairly judge...he's looking for a link for a viewing of the head on..
Head on isn't needed to determine Y the moron chose avoided left(where winner came up beside him) to go right. It's like if you're feeling sick and are challenged to eat either petit four or finish giant mountain of chocolate cake..
Head on isn't needed to determine Y the moron chose avoided left(where winner came up beside him) to go right. It's like if you're feeling sick and are challenged to eat either petit four or finish giant mountain of chocolate cake..
aye I know ace, but it was the way he pulled the horse, so blatant it was stupidity of the highest order, we all know what is going on , most of it is hidden but that ride was incredibly beyond belief. cheers.
aye I know ace, but it was the way he pulled the horse, so blatant it was stupidity of the highest order, we all know what is going on , most of it is hidden but that ride was incredibly beyond belief. cheers.
Fortunately for me on the one and only occasion I was told about one
Crowd whispering at Hamilton in a huddle…I knew the rider quite well to speak to
I asked him regarding a horse entered in two races at Ayr….sharp reply…he runs in the seven furlong race…he won’t get beat….don’t be scared to punt it
Punted it accordingly…..one furlong out my ticket was crumpled and ready for the bin
A bunch all flashing away to the line…won a neck….I thought WTF did I just witness…gambled off the boards
A wink from the rider
It happens it will continue ….imo…
Late ninties…
And there was no exchanges then…
Fortunately for me on the one and only occasion I was told about oneCrowd whispering at Hamilton in a huddle…I knew the rider quite well to speak toI asked him regarding a horse entered in two races at Ayr….sharp reply…he runs in the seven furl
Rage is not good guys,it's not good for the health. Rage is one of the seven deadly sins,they are not worth it, I know it's annoying, but what's done is done.
Rage is not good guys,it's not good for the health. Rage is one of the seven deadly sins,they are not worth it, I know it's annoying, but what's done is done.
If that race on Jan 4th had been in France or USA. Every pundit would have called the jockey out. But in them two countries the stewards would have done their job properly, instead of burying their heads in the sand as the Newcastle stewards did. Everyone has keeps their seat on the gravy no feathers rustled.
If that race on Jan 4th had been in France or USA. Every pundit would have called the jockey out. But in them two countries the stewards would have done their job properly, instead of burying their heads in the sand as the Newcastle stewards did.
if your living is dependent on the integrity of the sport, the last thing you're going to do is bring into question the integrity of the sport.
and therein lies the problem with the gravy train.
if your living is dependent on the integrity of the sport, the last thing you're going to do is bring into question the integrity of the sport.and therein lies the problem with the gravy train.
The gravey train keeps on going ...... but for how long? ...For the future of our Sport we Love, Bookmakers should of been Farmers, instead they turned into Hunters!
The gravey train keeps on going...... but for how long? ...For the future of our Sport we Love, Bookmakers should of been Farmers, instead they turned into Hunters!
Ex Newmarket trainer blew a gasket in the nanny goat shop on Hamilton racecourse watching one of his win at an away meeting
‘I’ll fkn have him’ four large on the second….instructions to pull his…ffs
Ex Newmarket trainer blew a gasket in the nanny goat shop on Hamilton racecourse watching one of his win at an away meeting ‘I’ll fkn have him’ four large on the second….instructions to pull his…ffs
I must clarify, I don't mean the rail Bookmakers, I'm talking about the online ones disguised as bookmakers but are in fact casinos. Entain are in bed with the gambling commission.
I must clarify, I don't mean the rail Bookmakers, I'm talking about the online ones disguised as bookmakers but are in fact casinos. Entain are in bed with the gambling commission.