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Its like The Emperor with no clothes ffs.
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If his opposition were wearing clothes I think he would trot up tbf.
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Ed Moses
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Well this is what i think, if he was running at Leopardstown Today Constitution Hill would be lucky to be second
Acey, if this isn't a wind-up, i don't know what it takes for you to recognise what is potentially one of the best hurdlers ever. He will not be beaten this season. |
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The OP is an attention seeking clown, imo of course!
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I doubt any of the mentioned would have won an Ebor at York with ten stone….oh and a CH….just saying like…
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Statement or Vauban either one would take care of C.H ya dumb fukers...Honestly am i the only one that knows anything on this Forum.
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I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and say Acey Deucy is Irish.
Just got me a feeling |
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There are just too many horses' names come up from the 1970s/80s who people give out as superstars.
Way too many for the word great to be attached. They can't all be great. I've looked back at the clips and some of those jockeys make Andrew Thornton look stylish. |
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It's called nostalgia j-c-m , we've all suffered from it in the past when it suits us
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They all took turns in beating each other aswell.
But I will admit, special days, sat with my dad riding the couch arm (me, not my dad) when Night Nurse ran. |
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makes you wonder @ what stage acey will realise this is something special.
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Could win the CH by 10 lengths and I suspect Acey would still be calling him average.
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Let him win it first, and then do it again before you start calling him the best ever!!
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winning multiple ch hurdles just means a weak era potentially, like honeysuckle eg
waiting until all the evidence is in is boring. spot all-time greats early on and enjoy the journey with em, imo |
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According to you JCM there have been no all-time greats beforehand anyway so how will you know when one comes along? I think the best way to test an up-and-coming all-time great is to compare his achievements with others achievements. Then when your supposed All Time Great exceeds the achievements of others that should be the time to celebrate.
With CH there is still a very long way to go but that only makes the waiting and the achievements better and worth the waiting. To crown him a long way too early takes away the value of any successes. He certainly looks the best around at the moment but we desperately need something to test him properly. And that goes for those who currently tell us how great he is. They will desperately want clear evidence of superstardom. Otherwise they will be defending their positions forever. And the more these horses are over rated before reaching suitable achievements makes the connections refuse to test their horses properly. Henderson is classic with this and we don't want unsubstantiated claims like the ones recently and previously clouding our vision, do we? |
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According to you JCM there have been no all-time greats beforehand anyway
This kind of argument is disingenuous as in no way did I say that.^^^ I won't bother reading the rest, it will be nothing new from you. |
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There are just too many horses' names come up from the 1970s/80s who people give out as superstars.
Way too many for the word great to be attached. JCM post of 1.39pm today. |
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There are just too many horses' names come up from the 1970s/80s who people give out as superstars.
Way too many for the word great to be attached. where does that ^^^ link up with >>> According to you JCM there have been no all-time greats beforehand anyway I know you like to argue the toss but until you can read my posts in an honest way then I will educate you no further. |
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acey on the wind-up otherwise he's a cretin.
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I do expect an apology from you guys when this Nag gets beat...Of course he is very good but i really thing one of the Irish horses i have mentioned will take him down and i think i am as good a Judge as anybody on here.
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you would have asked for an apology when secretariat got beat ydc. they are not machines.
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Who's a better horse in their respective discipline, Constitution Hill or Baaeed? Or which has been hyped more, Constitutional Hill or Baaeed?
I believe if Constitutional Hill wins by at least 15 lengths or a distance (with or without Honeysuckle) it will go a long way cementing him as a genuine contender as the best hurdler ever. The thing is I do not know who the best hurdler ever was? Carrying mega weights in prestigious handicap eg Schweppes in the past was not unusual, but now unthinkable and frown upon. |
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howard you are banned from this thread now fack off.
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seems like i'm not
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A couple of years premature to be calling CH anything but a great potential,saw all the greats of the 70s @ 80s then Istabraq and unlike them he will be raced sparingly although more than See You Then who has not even had a mention despite 3 wins in the Champion H.Different era,different owners attitudes but not neccessarily different approach by NH,he has done it all ways e.g SYT and Binocular.Seen nothing so far thought to beat CH including acey's fancies.
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Is Facile Vega hyped? He's seems to have beaten mediocrities yet odds-on after the far-fetched performance of Hendo's Jet Powered on atrocious ground at the weekend.
I think it's another confirmation antepost is truly dead if Facile Vega could be deemed an odds-on shot 10 weeks before The Festival after beating "nothing" so far. |
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When you see a headline currently in the RP saying 'Build him up and they will come' in reference to Constitution Hill and raceday attendances it is quite clear where the leaders of our sport are coming from. They are not interested in history or accuracy they are only interested in the bottom line.
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F, Vega could be anything I was at Fairyhouse recently when he won and have to say I was impressed, then he confirmed it at Leop. We are very lucky here in Ireland to see competitive racing almost every racing day despite what others might think and he really got my attention ...
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Obviously not the best but at his best top tier River Ceiriog .Check out the way he won the supreme novices hurdle in 1986 on youtube. Has to be seen to be believed and running a cracker in 1987 Champion hurdle until the last caught him out.
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Workrider he hasn't a clue.
Facile vega had Ashroe Diamond the Winner of MNHF at Aintree G2 and 3rd in Royal bond at Fairyhouse G1 back in 3rd path D'oroux won it's point bumper MH and ran pu in Royal bond G1 was back in 4th,Intranet was unbeaten bumper and hurdle back in 5th. Now for the stinger the 2nd at leopardstown behind Facile vega his name IL ETAIT TEMPS 1st run for WPM 3rd G1 hdl behind VAUBAN at DRF 2nd run 5th to VAUBAN G1THURDLE at Cheltenham 3rd run 4th behind VAUBAN at Punchestown Festival G1 so started life out in G1 company over hdls. Won its maiden this season b4 running 2nd to Facile vega IN G1. IMPOSSIBLE explain what was in that race Jet(washed)powered ran in because I couldn't be bothered finding any other mediocre horses |
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Acey - Bit left-field this, but I have just realised who you remind me of - A guy who goes out on a boastful limb but always has an excuse when proved to be wrong. Not saying you are wrong in this case but....
When I was young, I played in a pub Bar Billiards team here in Sussex, we had a player who was the epitome of boastful pomposity. He even used to keep his coat/jacket on until about halfway through the 18(?) minute frame. Before cue off, or his first shot, he would eyeball (coat on) his opponent, bend down and say "mine's a Cream Label (loser bought winner a beer!) before cueing off. He was very good,but he didn't always win, but when he lost, he somehow contrived a way not to be embarrassed by his pre-frame behaviour or comments. |