The reason why Baeed lost

Sometimes the legs say no its just one of them

Its an horse not a machine

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brain dead & SontaranStratagen,

Blimey two sensible posts – that’s a first.
I was there in person, with Andrew and some Betfair boys off the forum, and lumped on him (but not big time).
Lesson learnt (again ) not to get carried away by the hype, they're not machines.

Won a tenner back in the car park and ten more at 6:00pm when I got home.
Everyhings back to normal.

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the ground on champions day was the same as last year when he won - I think he was "over the top" for the season. expensive loss yesterday - will have knocked millions off his value.

Sometimes horses get over hyped by the press Just not as good as the so called experts wanted people to believe

Nothing to do with the ground it was just not his Day.

Lets get one thing straight, he was brilliant for racing while unbeaten ,lets remember him for that...

Rider said ground…..end of….

inspiral ..solid 120 horse runs yesterday to around 100
baaeed solid 130+ horse runs yesterday to around 115

its horse racing..seen it all before..imo ground beat baaeed..its best performances were on quicker ground.

Every Jockeys go to excuse when a good thing gets beaten.....Not allowed to have an off Day ffs.

the forum tipping champ tipping 2/13's.. is that an off day iyo?

wqas beating the same horses over a mile and beat mishriff who doesnt seem to be the same horse as last season when stepped up in trip ,then thehype machine took over ,yesterday he was facing some  unexposed improving horses and a derby / king george winner.

The team wasn't good enough on the day , what element of the team cost defeat will always be subjective but i suspect the horse was the primary reason.

Bit of a mix, faced stronger opposition, not his ideal conditions and ran a bit flat.

It is a sad state off affairs that Baaeed would be worth more in stud value if he'd stayed at home yesterday.
Better off not running. A racehorse.
Not telling you anything you all don't know it's just a shame that's how it works. With really top horses I mean.

( ex- ) Timeform Jim McGrath on the race " First thing we are told at Timeform is that going is the most important thing in racing "

Yesterday it was SPECIALIST going.    1. Trueshan.    Unplaced Inspiral. Unplaced Baaeed.

Dancing Brave got beat in the autumn.
Horses just go off.
Baaeed had a rash on his neck at York and ran a stormer. Arguably his best yet. Good going flat track aswell obv.
No rash yesterday, maybe something will show in his bloods.
Totally clutching at straws

In 1964 one of the greatest ever pro's Alan Woods learned one of his most valuable lessons. Two great champion fillies were racing in a three horse race. The  going was heavy.  He backed the outsider. It won.

Which race was that, howard? If I have the right Alan Woods, he was 19 in 1964.

Is this what you mean?

Alan first bet on horses at university. “I picked the third-favourite, a mudlark, to beat the two best horses in Australia at the time, Sky High and Wenona Girl, on a very wet track. And it won. So unfortunately my first experience on the horses was a winning one, because then I thought: ‘Hmmm, I’m pretty good at this.’” From there a small gambling habit developed. On the horses – unlike solo or poker – he was generally a loser. He knows this because he wrote his bets down. “What I did that was probably unusual is that I kept records of exactly how much I’d spent and how much I’d bet on each horse. As the years went by I knew my cumulative result. And then I lost $100 one day and I just quit ... By the time I got involved in the horses 15 years later, I was an ex-addicted gambler and I had to force myself back into it.”

I thought Authorized was unbeatable in the arc, and he got lapped. The old cliche can be trotted out, they aren't machines. I don't happen to think he was miles off his best yesterday, and might still have had a tough race or been beat if he was in that trip, course and going. BB completely unexposed for a master trainer, and Adayar has shown flashes of brilliance himself. The pounds and pence people might point to My Prospero dragging the form down but he is pretty unexposed too.

" First thing we are told at Timeform is that going is the most important thing in racing "

Tripe.

He should know by now that the most important thing in racing is when the stable's money's down.

Oct 16, 2022 -- 1:27PM, howard wrote:

In 1964 one of the greatest ever pro's Alan Woods learned one of his most valuable lessons. Two great champion fillies were racing in a three horse race. The

bugged quote system, I said he got lucky because odds-on favs are just as profitable at heavy going as on any other going.

Trainer ran fav in biggest race of day a few Saturday s ago.
5 minutes before race he was Interviewed.
He said to presenter it won't win.
Ground too soft for it.
Did not win

he told hislop montatham wudnt win the last yest..it didnt but was leading 1f out.

the biggest example in recent years of a racehorse not fancying it anymore is arrogate. he won the travers, breeders cup classic, big race at gulfstream and the dubai world cup in spectacular fashion. up there with the greatest ever win sequences by a US racehorse. in his next 3 races he clearly said no.......not interested. this is the biggest reason why stars get beaten. they are animals. the press dont discuss this side of horse racing. especially the flat. no trainer or owner is going to concede that their horse just didnt want it on the day. they cant say that about an entity worth millions.
Baeed has won on good to soft 4 times. he bolted in. the ground didnt prevent him from running past my prospero. maybe he got some mud in his face and got peed off........the same way some soccer players dont like playing in the cold. remember robinho or angel de maria?........im going off a bit here but horses are no different.

maybe, but would yu want to pay £100k for a stallion that chucked it in because he got some mud in his face?

That's why some women are as good as men, they can get the horse to run for them.

Many times a good horse that's gone off the boil is revived by a change of jockey. It's not that the new jockey is better, it's just that the horse responds to a change of rider.

"maybe, but would yu want to pay £100k for a stallion that chucked it in because he got some mud in his face?"

Probably not, but he'll be £80k and your "mud in his face" assertion is simply guesswork. There actually wasn't much mud flying; Visually, and most informed accounts suggests that the ground was testing/sticky. Remember there are many forms of Good to Soft! I'd be inclined to trust Crowley's view that he just didn't pick up on it.

overhyped....move on

couldn't carry the overweight of expectations. (sadly)

I am just miffed Sealiway did not turn up. Had my £1,000 counted

The ground wasnt that bad. Racing its so funny though. Aside from the media never criticising jockeys, trainers never hold their hands up and say the horse undrperformed or wasnt good enough. they always take the ground as excuse...

Lockinge and queen anne should be re-opened for three year olds. Baaeed had it too easy early on.

Probably not, but he'll be £80k and your "mud in his face" assertion is simply guesswork. There actually wasn't much mud flying; Visually, and most informed accounts suggests that the ground was testing/sticky. Remember there are many forms of Good to Soft! I'd be inclined to trust Crowley's view that he just didn't pick up on it.  -- The 'mud in the face' assertion wasn't mine but the principle stands. Crowley's view that he didn't pick up is blatantly obvious but whether it was due to the ground or not is anyone's guess. I don't think Crowley would have had his job for long if he had got off and said 'oh well, we just over rated him'.

and tbh I think hen will be £100k, not that anyone will be able to use him anyway.

and tbh I think hen will be £100k, not that anyone will be able to use him anyway.