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In an unrelated matter, an 81-year-old racegoer, who was denied admission because he wanted to pay with cash at the turnstiles, has been invited to be a guest at Doncaster, as the course acknowledged it should have responded to coverage of his case on social media.

executive director Rachel Harwood said

"We are a cashless venue and have been since I joined in 2020, but that tweet should have been responded to directly so we have been in touch with him and have invited him to come as a guest."

Explaining why Doncaster is cashless, Harwood said: "It is Arena Racing Company's policy, the same as the Jockey Club and many other sports venues. 

"It is the way the world is going and the cost of managing cash is immense. In the last decade when we operated with cash, we'd have 20 staff here until two or three in the morning counting it. We'd then have to process it, send it to the bank and make up about 200 floats."

Well, what a bloody shame - and it's only 'the way the world is going' if people stand by and do nothing.

Having a cashless option is fine, but making it compulsory is another thing altogether.

Covid legitimized unprecedented constraints on public and civil liberty, including the legitimacy of denying people the centuries-old basic right to trade using the printed and minted currency of the realm.

Businesses are now continuing that legitimacy under the auspices of saving money for themselves. Sod the 81-year-old chap who wants to use that old-fashioned relic called cash.

Well, each and every one of us is heading inexorably towards our own 81, and unless you want the banks and government to control every digital penny you have, get off your arses and start speaking up.
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Report jimnast September 9, 2022 9:29 AM BST
Very well said stevo
Report BennyBinion1 September 9, 2022 9:29 AM BST
Cashless society 'is the way the world is going'.

It should not be happening. We should not be allowing it to happen.

Total control coming our way.

Just don't attend cashless events, and go in cashless shops.

But the sheeple just cant see it.

Going along with what they are told to do.

With all notes and coins now needing to be gradually reissued due to the queen's death, blames on huge costs for new bank notes can ensure they now go into full express mode for a total cashless society.
Report Life-Lucky September 9, 2022 10:15 AM BST
Totally, Stevo. HSBC made £15 billion profit last year, each time you use a card they get richer. It has to be cash or I'm out
Report layingisthewayforward September 9, 2022 10:36 AM BST
Don't see a problem personally. Paying for things by tapping my watch or phone are far more convenient than having cash on me.
Report layingisthewayforward September 9, 2022 10:37 AM BST
Obviously in the case of the 81 year chap, they should have made an exception.
Report GLASGOWCALLING September 9, 2022 11:17 AM BST
..... You have answered your own question Laying, why not both Cash or card ?? everyones happy ?

Well said btw Stevo.
Report layingisthewayforward September 9, 2022 11:32 AM BST
Can't argue with that.
Report sixtwosix September 9, 2022 11:34 AM BST
Every time  you use cashless , data on you is generated , stored and used .....some people do not wish this to happen.
Report Dr Crippen September 9, 2022 11:55 AM BST
You might find your overdraft facility being withdrawn if the bank sees money going on racing or betting.

That won't happen using cash.
Report Dr Crippen September 9, 2022 11:56 AM BST
Same with any application for credt. They'll view you as a bad risk if they know you bet.
Report timberman September 9, 2022 12:21 PM BST
Its becoming a charcterless society. Go Online , sell service checkouts , cant use cash etc etc

Be nobody talking or interacting with other human beings anymore.
Report longbridge September 9, 2022 12:23 PM BST
from the OP's post:

"It is the way the world is going and the cost of managing cash is immense. In the last decade when we operated with cash, we'd have 20 staff here until two or three in the morning counting it. We'd then have to process it, send it to the bank and make up about 200 floats."

Why would any business voluntarily take on that burden when 90%+ of people are happy to pay by card and spare them the expense?
Report formoftheace September 9, 2022 12:40 PM BST
Banks do a lot of homework on ALL punters…..it’s frowned upon
Report unbiased September 9, 2022 12:50 PM BST
All companies pay a service charge for processing debit and credit cards,which ,of course,gets passed onto the public with higher costs,which isn't always the case with cash.
  Of course companies like card payments as it cuts out any "shrinkage",whether accidental or deliberate!
Report FOYLESWAR September 9, 2022 12:51 PM BST
they can go fork themsels cash is king ..........they want you by the balls and when they have you by the balls they will squeeze, long live cash!
Report Regbutler September 9, 2022 1:07 PM BST
I'm a cash only person
Went to Hereford races a while back and admission was card only as in above story
A bloke hanging around by the turnstile beckoned me away
Instead of 18 quid admission fee, i gave him a tenner, he "lent" me a member's badge, we walked through the next door gate showing the stewards our badges. Ten yards later i gave it back to him and he walked back out again
I hung around for a while and watched as he repeated this process every 2 or 3 minutes
Nice little earner for him, the racecourse losing out for refusing cash
All food and drink outlets on the course cash only as well
Only tote(britbet) and bookies taking cash
Report barstool September 9, 2022 1:22 PM BST
I try to use cash all the time. Trouble is the "folding Stuff" is not what it used to be. Drew £300 quid the other day and almost impossible to fold and secure in a pocket.

One thing I have learned over the years is that if something ain't broke some clever dick will make sure it soon is.
Report bigbillbovington September 9, 2022 2:23 PM BST
You would have thought someone would have said come through for nothing this time
Report DancingBraveTheBest September 9, 2022 2:32 PM BST
Layingisthewayforward....what happens when you are at the till with your items and there is a technical glitch which doesnt get fixed for hours? Happened recently to a friend of mine and he was the only one in the queue paying cash so bypassed all the ones who only had their card or phone on them. Only Card will be a disaster....not just for this example but for the control it will give those in power over us.Sad
Report dod September 9, 2022 3:44 PM BST
Would it not be useful for small and medium shops to out a card in window cash preferred but not essential so customers know, would not apply to big supermarkets and stores they just love cards do they not
Report Dr Crippen September 9, 2022 3:45 PM BST
Cash in hand is always cheaper and no bookwork.

It's the black market they want to stop.

Plumbers, electricians, builders.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves September 9, 2022 4:18 PM BST
It's not just about stopping people using the black market. It's about stopping rebellious types* from accessing the legitimate market too.

Do as you're told or see your card suspended.
__________
'Rebellious types' now covers £101/month gamblers, in case anyone thinks it would never affect them.
Report Stevo October 4, 2022 8:35 PM BST

Sep 9, 2022 -- 12:23PM, longbridge wrote:


from the OP's post:"It is the way the world is going and the cost of managing cash is immense. In the last decade when we operated with cash, we'd have 20 staff here until two or three in the morning counting it. We'd then have to process it, send it to the bank and make up about 200 floats."Why would any business voluntarily take on that burden when 90%+ of people are happy to pay by card and spare them the expense?


Don't you realize the nightmare you are sleepwalking into? Really.
In China now, they pay welfare to people digitally, and they restrict what that can be spent on - you don't decide what you spend your money, the government does. if you don't see where that eventually leads if there is no cash then you are indeed a very stupid person.

Report Life-Lucky October 4, 2022 9:56 PM BST
Stevo. For Sure. I print leaflets, I hand them out at shopping centres, I'm doing what I can,same as you. My mantra is 'Come Back to Cash'
Report kevo October 5, 2022 9:51 AM BST
And don't forget your PIN or you are totally ***ked. Best to take some cash with you.
Report DancingBraveTheBest October 5, 2022 11:06 AM BST
I usually always have cash on me but yesterday I went to buy an anniversary card for the wife and had no cash on me. Went to the till to pay but my card declined. Tried it 3 more times, declined on each occasion so I had to go and find a cashpoint (one luckily just down the road) and come back. When I got back in the shop there was a long line of customers due to other customers cards also being declined. I happily skipped to the front of the queue to pay with good old cash.Happy
Report roggrain October 5, 2022 2:23 PM BST
A cashless society would be the end of society. We would all be nothing more than numbers in data

bases and what we can spend our money on will be determined by algorithms.

One of these days the system will go down for a long period of time and all those who pay by card

or phone will be fooked.The bus I took this morning stops at Bournemouth University, so many

students boarding. Not one paid cash, they all paid using their phones. I doubt that many of them

have a clue what the fare is. The same in the pub I frequent, where they order by phone from the

table. Ask any of them to add say 33 and 17  and they will use a calculator.
Report smirnoff2therescue October 5, 2022 2:57 PM BST
LaughLaughLaugh so true rograin

Was in the pub up at Beachy Head last July and we had to sit at a table someone gave us then had to place our order for both drinks and food .

Then had to wait a gud 30mins b4 both arrived together and that was 1st time we had even been acknowledged as even being there other than the guy at entrance who had originally seated us.

Totally soulless experience and needless to say we didnt re-order any drinks CrazyCrazyCrazy
Report FOYLESWAR October 5, 2022 5:16 PM BST
cant get on a bus in london with cash, either   phone or  debit or credit card .... other alternative is an oyster card  and ya gotta pay £6 for it last i heard  then  you have to top it up in shops or online ......
Report longbridge October 5, 2022 5:48 PM BST
The cost of an Oyster card is a deposit you can get back if/when you surrender it so no big deal.

Actually been a huge improvment over queueing behind people trying to count out their fares in change.
Report onlooker October 5, 2022 6:14 PM BST
smirnoff2therescue 05 Oct 22 14:57 

'Was in the pub up at Beachy Head'

----------

What is the name of the pub ? ....

The 'Last Chance Saloon' ?   

Grin
Report The Pies October 5, 2022 8:29 PM BST
Tapping on and off with debit/ credit card on tube is a huge improvement. I'm a cashless convert
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 8:29 AM BST
Good morning foyles

What if you need to get on the bus in emergency and you only have cash ?
Report ronnie rails October 6, 2022 8:55 AM BST
Jimnast

may i ask are you at York this weekend.
regards
Ronnie.
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 9:33 AM BST
Good morning Ronnie

Yes both days
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 9:35 AM BST
"What if you need to get on the bus in emergency and you only have cash ?
"
Why would you get on a bus in an emergency?
Report ronnie rails October 6, 2022 9:35 AM BST
Have you got tickets for the Saturday.
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 9:41 AM BST
Is that a serious question Clydebank?
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 9:42 AM BST
Yes Ronnie I have tickets
Report ronnie rails October 6, 2022 9:45 AM BST
jimnast
i would have left you 2 on the Friday for the Saturday.

good luck
Ronnie.
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 9:46 AM BST
"It is the way the world is going and the cost of managing cash is immense. In the last decade when we operated with cash, we'd have 20 staff here until two or three in the morning counting it. We'd then have to process it, send it to the bank and make up about 200 floats."

Gross exaggeration imo.  If it were true it just highlights what customers want.

There's a much better solution.  Make cash an option and charge a surcharge, or a discount for cashless.
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 9:48 AM BST
Yes jimnast for the life of me I can't think why you would use a bus in an emergency.  Surely you'd call an ambulance, get a cab, flag down a car
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 9:56 AM BST
Ok Clydebank

Young couple go for a night out have a fall out late on young girl only has a couple of quid on her but needs to get home as it’s dark ,no cards on her as she felt she wouldn’t need them or just forgot them.


Mother at the shops gets a call from school her son has had a bad accident and she needs to get to the school she doesn’t possess cards and doesn’t know any taxi numbers.

That’s two minutes of my life wasted
Report GI MAC October 6, 2022 9:58 AM BST
https://youtu.be/zGiM5SSAvxs
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 9:58 AM BST
As for flagging down a car nowadays the only ones that will stop are the ones you don’t want to stop.

Call an ambulance Laugh
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 9:59 AM BST
Neither are emergencies in my book and both scenarios are so unlikely I'd think they were made up.
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 10:01 AM BST
An emergency is if you are injured or about to give birth or being chased
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 10:02 AM BST
If you are being chased you get on the bus anyway
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 10:03 AM BST
You don't get on a bleeding bus if you need immediate medical attention ffs
Report Dr Crippen October 6, 2022 10:04 AM BST
Cashless race meetings are no problem - don't go.
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 10:04 AM BST
Well Clydebank if you don’t think a young girl needing to get home at night isn’t an emergency then fair enough.
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 10:19 AM BST
If a young girl has runaway that is an emergency.  A young lady on a night out is not.
Report Manoleeds October 6, 2022 10:21 AM BST
Don't try paying with a card in a Sam Smith's pub -they don't accept them. (And don't use your mobile/tablet in the pub).
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 10:24 AM BST
If young lady has no phone or payment method because her handbag is stolen she can't pay for the bus period.  If she is frightened and no one else is around to help her she gets on the bus and tells the bus driver to call the police.
Report roggrain October 6, 2022 10:34 AM BST
When I lived in York, manoleeds, I frequented 'The Brigadier Gerard'. Excellent brews (the stout is,

imo, better than the well-known brand) reasonably priced. No bleedin TV/music blaring away and lots of

Brigadier memorabilia. A proper pub where people actually engage in conversation instead of staring

at a mobile phone screen. I hope it hasn't changed since then.
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 10:42 AM BST
That’s correct manoleeds and all the better for those who choose to use there pubs.
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 10:47 AM BST
What is probably quite common is a 12 year old (boy or girl) has forgotten to bring their travel card for the bus and is stranded at school.  I think the policy locally is that the bus driver will allow them on the bus.  It's not an emergency though.  Not in my book anyway
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 10:52 AM BST
I used to walk to school by myself aged 9.  Will have been over half a mile.  Times have changed, maybe for the better.
Report Dr Crippen October 6, 2022 11:03 AM BST
I used to walk to school by myself aged 9.

Explains a lot.
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 11:14 AM BST
As does your username Dr
Report HallGreenSpy October 6, 2022 11:47 AM BST
Only half a mile! Laugh
Report Manoleeds October 6, 2022 11:56 AM BST
Going off topic but the tenant of one Sam Smiths pub told me  the problem with not taking cards is that a family of four walk in for Sunday lunch . Before taking the order mine host advises them that they don't take cards but there is a cash point five minutes walk away -so they head off to the cash point but that is past two pubs that do take cards and they are never seen again . It's one thing to pay £20 for a round of drinks in cash but having maybe £120 in your wallet  for drinks and a two course lunch for four is another.
Funny thing about their phone policy is you can be sat in the corner reading the Racing Post paper but you can't be sat in the corner browsing the Racing Post website.
Report Stevo October 6, 2022 11:58 AM BST

Oct 5, 2022 -- 5:48PM, longbridge wrote:


The cost of an Oyster card is a deposit you can get back if/when you surrender it so no big deal.Actually been a huge improvment over queueing behind people trying to count out their fares in change.


Yet another Ostrich who can't see further than the end of his nose.
This is the problem.
Apathetic phone zombied people who can't sense their civil liberties are being remorselessly eroded and think its more important they don't have to wait a minute while someone pays by cash.

Report Stevo October 6, 2022 12:05 PM BST

Oct 6, 2022 -- 10:03AM, CLYDEBANK29 wrote:


You don't get on a bleeding bus if you need immediate medical attention ffs


When I was about 14, I broke my wrist badly playing football.
My mum was at home - my dad at work.
My mum took me by Bus to the A&E at Cheetham Hill hospital (sadly long gone now)
If that happened now? Call an Ambulance would you? Good luck with that.
My mum couldnt afford private Taxis.
Walk to hospital?

Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 12:08 PM BST
Stevo I had a nasty injury playing football that required several stitches.  Think I walked to hospital
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 12:10 PM BST
It's not an emergency and if you happened to have only cash or no cash the bus driver would've taken you and your mum for nowt
Report Stevo October 6, 2022 12:11 PM BST

Oct 6, 2022 -- 12:08PM, CLYDEBANK29 wrote:


Stevo I had a nasty injury playing football that required several stitches.

Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 12:13 PM BST
If it was an emergency you'd think one of your team mates parents would've driven you there tbh
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 12:13 PM BST
Yes stevo sadly gone along with booth hall childrens hospital Sad
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 12:15 PM BST
I'm for buses taking cash payments if customers want it, just don't think the emergency argument is valid.
Report Stevo October 6, 2022 12:19 PM BST

Oct 6, 2022 -- 12:13PM, jimnast wrote:


Yes stevo sadly gone along with booth hall childrens hospital


Great Hospital Booth Hall.
I got knocked over when I was 7 on Queens Road by a 53 double-decker, going to school. At a bloody belisha beacon crossing too with a lollipop man. My friend Johnny Conroy darted across without permission, I hesitated then ran too - bang, I was down.
They thought I was dead.
They wouldnt let my mum out of the house. My dad came.
I had a double fractured skull, they took me to Booth Hall. All I can remember is the ceilings in the corridors were totally covered with cartoon and Disney character paintings. Cool, I thought. Nearly dead.

Report Stevo October 6, 2022 12:21 PM BST

Oct 6, 2022 -- 12:13PM, CLYDEBANK29 wrote:


If it was an emergency you'd think one of your team mates parents would've driven you there tbh


I dont think any of my mates parents had cars then. We certainly didnt. How old are you?

Report CLYDEBANK29 October 6, 2022 12:40 PM BST
56. You would be right that far more people have cars now than in the past.
Report jimnast October 6, 2022 12:51 PM BST
Ah the 53 bus stevo use to get that bus to the zoo the funfair ,the speedway and then when older the greyhound’s,booth hall is a hospital we all spent time at even my 3 children all had reasons to go there,I don’t think you waited very long to be looked after ,I still have a walk over the road through the clough now and then.
Report The Knight October 6, 2022 10:38 PM BST
To Regbutler...good luck to the guy 'lending' his member's badge out like that but it must have been some time ago now.

That's because Hereford is an ARC course and all entry to ARC courses are controlled by an annual member having to have their bar-coded membership card scanned upon entry. In other words, entry is not via a member's badge. The membership card can only be scanned once on each day, so other people could not have gained entry using that. Even before that, at every course I've ever been a member at someone on the gate would tick the number of your annual badge off a list as you entered so as to stop the scam you are talking about. So, I don't know how the guy you saw was pulling his little sting off?

For a while even after membership cards came into use, there used to be a scam at Doncaster whereby you would go to the County Stand reception and show your member's badge from another track (membership of one ARC course gains you entry to all the others) and the people on the desk would give you a plastic County Stand badge for the day plus a bar-coded entry ticket to use at the scanner.

But a few clued up people would use their membership card to go through the scanner and then go and sell the unused entry ticket through the metal fence to a wiling buyer outside. So badly run was Doncaster (and it hasn't improved very much either) that the reception staff didn't know there was no need to issue an entry ticket!

They are now more clued up over that scam at least.
Report FOYLESWAR October 7, 2022 7:31 AM BST
what happens if we get those proposed power cuts ? and the tills /computers shut down for 3 hours will the cards still be useable?
Report ronnie rails October 7, 2022 8:27 AM BST
The knight are you at York today if so do you want a couple of club for Saturday free of charge. Look It
Report Busvaldo October 7, 2022 9:28 AM BST
Will drug dealing become cashless?not a great example granted but there will always be a place to wash ‘bent’ money & bookmakers will find a way to do it(NAP)
Report formoftheace October 7, 2022 9:33 AM BST
Cashless will happen but I wouldn’t panic…we will all be pushing up a daisy…or be scattered around somewhere in a fav spot we liked…
Report CLYDEBANK29 October 7, 2022 10:14 AM BST
Any fruit farms adjacent KR?  As a kid remember cycling to Lightwater Valley.  We left our bikes in a farmer's field and made our way over hedges/fences into the fruit farm which was then part of the theme park.  I can remember eating some raspberries and being chased through the raspberry canes into the main theme park on one occasion.
Report jimnast October 7, 2022 1:48 PM BST
Router down at York so toat  can’t operate
Report ItsMeSwaddle October 7, 2022 2:34 PM BST
When I used to do all the meetings couple of seasons back I used to get a kick out of giving my ticket away for nout from ARC badge and getting in with GoRacing in Yorkshire to Donny.

Not cos I wanted to be the good samaritan just because I despise ARC!

If you are just getting into racing I couldnt reccomend a visit at all to Donc, its souless and I cant really put my finger on why, compared to better places on the doorstep, well basically all the other Yorkshire tracks.
Report jimnast October 7, 2022 6:22 PM BST
Swaddle

Doncaster was great before the rebuild now as you say completely soulless and a huge deterioration in the standard of racing.
Report roggrain October 8, 2022 10:07 AM BST
Agree about the Doncaster rebuild. The grandstand was designed with catering (i.e. selling as much

booze and rubbish food as possible),in mind and not racing.
Report undecided October 8, 2022 4:59 PM BST
Good old cash.

Chepstow forced to accept cash as WiFi outage crashes Tote kiosks and bars
An empty Tote kiosk in the Premier Stand
An empty Tote kiosk in the Premier Stand
James Stevens
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By James Stevens
UPDATED 4:34PM, OCT 8 2022

A WiFi failure across multiple buildings at Chepstow caused some cashless payment facilities to crash on Saturday, leaving some bars and betting shops closed and the track reluctantly forced to accept cash on the gate.

The racecourse, like many, operates a cashless system but was forced to do a temporary U-turn to avoid disappointed racegoers arriving and being unable to purchase tickets due to the outage.

Elsewhere, Tote kiosks in the restaurant, Premier stand and some of the boxes were forced to shut as they were unable to trade without internet access. The closure had a significant impact on turnover, with Saturday's Placepot of £54,818 almost half the size of the pot available in the last two seasons.

Chepstow also offered complimentary drinks in the owners and trainers' facility with card payments unavailable. It led to Alan King, winner of the opening race, joking: "I think it's great, we can get drinks without paying."

Issues also impacted the weighing room – situated below the owners and trainers' bar – which meant clerk of the scales Graham Ford had to call results over the phone, rather than doing so using the typical online process. RaceTech used a dongle to escape the connection woes.

A closed Britbet betting shop at Chepstow on Saturday
A closed Britbet betting shop at Chepstow on Saturday
James Stevens

Chepstow believes the problem started at 5.30am on Saturday morning and, while a reason is unconfirmed, it is believed to be caused by either a power surge or an animal chewing through a cable. Attempts were made to rectify the problem for over three hours without success.

A crowd of over 6,000 were at the South Wales track on Saturday for one of its biggest days of the year, but the problems were not considered too detrimental to turnover on the day.

Chepstow's managing director Phil Bell said: "As people first came to the racecourse we discovered things weren't working. I'd say it was about a quarter of the racecourse that wasn't working and we tried for three hours to rectify it via other routes but we couldn't.

"One of the bars couldn't take card payments but they've moved customers across three of the marquee bars which has worked well. We had extra facilities for today because we were expecting a big crowd. In the owners and trainers' bar we've offered complimentary drinks as we appreciate their support.

"In truth it hasn't been too bad. When I first discovered it I thought it would be a wider problem. People have worked around it and we've got through it. The main thing is that racing has gone ahead without a glitch. We'll get it sorted as soon as we can."

Of whether it would cause a financial hit, Bell responded: "For the bars particularly, it hasn't cost too much as we've moved them to other areas, but the Tote yes, without a doubt. This is one of our biggest days of the year, we have 6,000 here and 850 in hospitality and the Tote isn't working in half of those areas."

Chepstow's next raceday is scheduled for November 18.
Report jimnast October 8, 2022 6:00 PM BST
A pleasing read undecided
Report ronnie rails October 8, 2022 6:02 PM BST
The knight , Jimnast.

i am still out of the game never had a bet since Cheltenham only posted on here  once since cheltenham  to offer you both tickets for York.was at at York 2 days was amazed what i saw , having a jimmy riddle in the toilets in the county stand must have been a dozen guys in 2 YOUNG GIRLS CLEANING THE TOILETS,
Regards
Ronnie.
Report jimnast October 8, 2022 6:43 PM BST
Hello Ronnie

What did you think of the over 18s bouncy castle type thing by the old silver ring ?
Report ronnie rails October 8, 2022 7:26 PM BST
Jimnast
to tell you the honest truth i never saw them only saw the first 2 races today bloody train strike,regarding the old silver ring i had a share in a book for a year pick 2 it was over 30 years ago it was year Triptych won the benson and hedges  i lost more money that year than i thought was possible.

hope you had a good time at York.

sad to say i was still paying 6.80 a pint in the bar besides the Queens.
Ronnie.
Report jimnast October 8, 2022 7:41 PM BST
1987 triptych ploughed through the mud to win the benson and hedges Ronnie it was the first time my now wife ever went to the races she loved it,

£6.80 a pint Ronnie it’s cheaper on the racecourse
Report ronnie rails October 8, 2022 8:06 PM BST
Jimnast i could be wrong i am sure we packed in betting that day with i race left no readies left sure the last race the books got a cracking result, to make things worse we only got to the course with a couple of mins  left to get our pitch, pleased the wife enjoyed her first day at the races  she probaly backed the big winner with us as i recall  most people on the course did.

Ronnie.
Report ronnie rails October 8, 2022 8:15 PM BST
Jimnast

getting back to my early post what do you think of York having young girl cleaners cleaning the gents toilets when they are being used.
Ronnie.
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