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FrankRA
30 Aug 22 13:01
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What is the liquidity like?
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Report longbridge August 30, 2022 2:22 PM BST
see for yourself

https://www.matchbook.com/events/horse-racing

I haven't used my account on MB for an age.  It used to be generally accepted that most of the money put up was their own, so winners were not welcome, but I have no idea if that were true at the time nor if it still is.
Report FrankRA August 30, 2022 2:51 PM BST
I have been on their site, but it doesn't seem to show the amount traded on each race, also cannot see if they have a live video of the racing, and just looked on another review site and it says the commission rate is 4%.
Report longbridge August 30, 2022 4:07 PM BST
the amount traded is shown in the market header (eg: "16:10 Ripon 1m 0f 0y | Matched Volume: £156,224") but be aware almost everyone else (incl MB) counts matched volume differently (in my view, more sensibly) than BF, so you cannot compare the numbers easily.

though to me "liquidity" is about the amount available, not the amount traded; it should be a measure of how much money is there for you or me to take (which is surely what we care about) rather than how much has been taken by others?
Report irishro September 5, 2022 2:24 PM BST
Liquidity is really strong this year so big improvements over there. I find it much easier to get matched on most sports. They are generally 2%NW not 4% and I see you can get 90 days at 0% currently so worth trying it out. CS is really good too-you don't have to talk to robots!
Report carrot1960 September 5, 2022 2:37 PM BST
Never bothered with them before , but just took a look and there "seems"  to be a hell of a lot more money being matched then on here

3-10 120k against 30k

3-40 150k against 15k

4-15 113k against 14k
Report sparrow September 5, 2022 2:55 PM BST
Find those figures hard to believe but then I don't know how they calculate the money traded.
Report longbridge September 5, 2022 3:11 PM BST
@carrot1960

"there "seems"  to be a hell of a lot more money being matched then on here"

I think I have mentioned this before, but all the other exchanges I am aware of (MB, 'daq, Smarkets) calculate money matched differently from BF.  I think they are nearer right and BF nearer wrong, but it makes comparisions very hard.

£2 matched at 10 on BF is counted as £4 (twice the backer's stake.  I have no idea why)

£2 matched at 10 on MB is counted as £2 of backer's money matching £18 of layer's money for a total of £20 matched.
Report irishro September 5, 2022 3:20 PM BST
Even if you ignore the different matched volume calculations, you can liquidity available in the boxes and the overrounds that they are matching and sometimes beating what is available here. There's definitely a better chance of getting a tenner matched earlier in the day. Got so hard on here in recent times.
Report FrankRA September 5, 2022 3:42 PM BST
Just noticed the recent posts, as someone that likes to play the US racing, I noticed there were only 3 US meetings on offer, all 3 were low grade stuff, while Betfair
we're offering Saratoga and Woodbine plus several other meetings that were not on Matchbook.

Another thing was I am retired so will affordability checks prove a problem, as they have with Betfair (am limited to £100 per month that is not far off what my grandchildren
get for pocket money), so will they limit me.TIA for any replies.
Report freddiewilliams September 5, 2022 3:50 PM BST
In running any good racing?
Report irishro September 5, 2022 5:05 PM BST
It's still off here a bit but it's improved considerably in last few minutes. I assume they've picked up loads of disgruntled guys from here.
Report freddiewilliams September 5, 2022 5:09 PM BST
Who is second best after here
Daq.match or smark
Report irishro September 6, 2022 10:04 AM BST
Match and its not even close
Report G Hall November 12, 2022 10:47 PM GMT
Just wondering what the other exchanges are like in comparison to betfair.

I understand Purple and MB are peer to peer like betfair, but Smkts is different in that they put up there own funds. I don't know if this is true or not.

I have used smkts a little bit off and on, and have had no problems so far,also their customer service seems OK,much better than here at any rate.
Report pmbets November 13, 2022 12:28 AM GMT
If winners are not welcome than can anyone tell me what is the point?
Report G Hall November 13, 2022 10:22 PM GMT
Good point pmbets.

It would be pointless, so are betfair the only exchange that allows winners, or do any others also allow winners.

I am assuming at the moment that smarkets do not allow winners,are there any others?
Report swiftynifty November 13, 2022 10:43 PM GMT
Betfair allow winners, but you have to pay a hefty charge for the privilege.
Report hulk23 November 13, 2022 10:44 PM GMT
the whole exchange landscape needs investigated with much more rigorous regulation. 

if anyone wins we'll ban them.  why ?  because most of the money on show will be ours, so we're basically acting as bookmakers.

even though we have an exchange licence ....
Report sparrow November 14, 2022 9:27 AM GMT
irishro 06 Sep 22 10:04 
Match and its not even close



Match better than purple?  Greater liquidity?
Report penzance November 14, 2022 11:15 AM GMT
Sure there was a post on here a few years ago which could've
been about this outfit.It was about a 1.01 bet or some
bet @ very short odds.Bloke see a big error and took the
bet,only for the bet to be made void,if I'm right.
Report penzance November 14, 2022 11:18 AM GMT
Who are the other exchange,not the Purple site.?
Could've been them.
Report Brian November 14, 2022 12:37 PM GMT
Sure there was a post on here a few years ago which could've
been about this outfit.It was about a 1.01 bet or some
bet @ very short odds.Bloke see a big error and took the
bet,only for the bet to be made void,if I'm right.


Betfair has done that to me. Should have won £1200, they voided the bets and give me a £75 free betShocked
Report hulk23 November 14, 2022 12:45 PM GMT
ergo it was them on the other side of your bet.  otherwise they wouldn't be remotely interested. 

so is it an exchange, or simply a bookie whereby they take your bets, move the market away from you (and for them) if they see or suspect trading, and if you win just void it to save them paying out & give you a free bet.
Report JML November 14, 2022 1:37 PM GMT
senile ^
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