Egan, omg

On the best horse.

dunno why happy smiley arrived, i aint feeling it

Frankie pi55ing himself

6 runner races and trouble i/r. I hate this game

that will teach JG to behave like an ar$e

That's two races today where he has finished second on the best horse.

One of a weighing room full of overrated jocks.

Riding on a par with his dancing.

Without the benefit of hindsight what exactly did he do wrong to get the best horse in the race beat?

You are dead right Duffy Frankie would have dotted up karma Egan isn't in the same league.

How  about anticipating the obvious .

Nothing Egan could've done there that i could see.

Could you tell me exactly at what stage of the race he should have anticipated what was going to happen and i'll  go back and review the race to check to see if he was in the wrong?

More than one strange ride n the race though, surely Alenquer wanted a proper test and Moore, seeing that it once again wasn't a real strong gallop should have sent Bay Bridge on but for the second G1 in a row on this horse he sat and did nothing.

I didn't back it but for those that did I can understand their dismay.
It was a calamitous ride, absolutely appalling.

egan, i wasn't going that well.

Egan now blaming the horse. This should be good

Blaming JG says the horse was not ready for race

It's okay backers, David says to take the positives and look to the future.
Cheers mate

"Lots to look forward to."

Its not about the luck you get when you have put yourself behind a wall of horses. Its about not going there in the first place !

I suppose the forum curse means DE will ride the next winner
All aboard the Midnight Train................choo fecking choo

I think any outstanding horse that ran at Meydan or Riyadh regressed the following year. I wonder why Frankel did not run in either of these two tracks despite its owner a good friend of the best parent of the UAE.

And I wondered why Frankel never ran in the Eclipse.

Egan did call it a Boutique race this morning on ITV4, I didn't know what he meant but I guess I do now.

Another expression I hate is Peach,
every **** winning jockeys ride is described by the trainer as He gave it a peach, stupid expression

I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm preaching or a know it all, but I find it impossible to believe that some on here, that obviously watch lots of racing and are probably very knowledgeable about the sport, can never seem to grasp that what happened in the race today has been happening since the year dot and will happen for as long as there is horse racing.

No jockey past or present has ever got it right every time, be it bad luck or making a bad split second decision, it doesn't suddenly make them bad jocks. If social media was about 30 years ago I can guarantee that Cauthen. Eddery, Scudamore, Dunwoody etc etc would have been written off as finished numerous times throughout their careers. People are kidding themselves if they think that contrary to every other sport, Jockeyship has somehow fallen off a cliff in recent years.

The best strikers in the world don't score every time, the best Golfers in the world don't hit the perfect drive every time, but just like the top jockeys they get it right more than they don't and more than the lesser lights. Short term results are a a dangerous thing to act upon and as such I find it amazing that someone who should know better can bin a top class jockey, who has made many more good decisions than bad, because of a handful of questionable rides.

No one likes losing money, every one has a rant about a jockey from time to time, but it always seems to be the same culprits on here, like me they are probably losing gamblers, but they're kidding themselves if they think they're losing money long term because of poor jockeys.

Rant over, soap box back in cupboard.

All fair comment chipbutty BUT...... surely, especially in a 6 horse race, if you're holding up, you remove almost ALL risk just by coming round the outside. Why take risks between horses that you don't need to? I didn't bet it.... I don't give a damn. I just don't get why so many hold up types in small runner fields (different if you have to go 10 wide) don't just take the risk away by coming a little wide..... like the winner did.

Fallon found trouble with 5rnrs on Bosra Sham.

ive seen horses blocked in a 2 runner race..its caveat emptor every race man..move on.

From memory,Bosra Sham was hemmed in by Dettori until it was too late; the same thing happened to Dettori abroad Stradivarious by Ryan Moore.
That's horse racing.

If Starkey had ridden Mishriff he'd have won, 100% certain. He was the jockey for the big occasion. What happened in The Derby was extremely rare being Epsom and number of runners.

Good jockeys ride bad races, always have and always will. My comments were more of a general view on "jockey bashing" that is absolutely rife. I'd have Dettori over Egan any day, but he could easily have given the same ride to that horse today. With how quick things can happen in a horse race, I'm actually surprised they don't get it wrong more often.

Jockeys now are every bit as good as jockeys past, if you're not so sure watch some of the 80's NH finishes, Dawn Run's Gold Cup springs to mind, they'd be riding in the amateur races at Cheltenham in this age.

Given your analogy though, people can (and do) moan about a misplaced pass or a drive into the trees.

There is a difference between a poor ride and an unlucky ride. A poor ride can be legitimately criticised.

There are punters who moan about every ride they lose on, and think every unlucky ride is a poor ride. Which is obviously a different situation.

The riding of Mishriff was askew: 6-runner race, and stuck to the rail. Why? The jockey was given a "get-out-of-jail-card" yet chose not to maximise gift.

We all know that no one gets it right every time, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be critcised when it happens though.

If that were the case there would be precisely zero criticism in every walk of life.

Run-of-the-mill race is acceptable as there is so much "cheating" involved and is common. But, The Eclipse? The spotlight is on maximum yet riding with blinkers. Muppet!

I'm not being contrary for the sake of it (and Mishriff was a very unlucky loser) but when a jockey goes
looking for a guaranteed outside run, the same people who moan about an 'unfortunate' ride would be the
first to say that going the longer route has cost their mount a couple of lengths...especially when just
failing to get up - the beaten jockeys just can't win as they should've KNOWN that a gap would eventually appear

It's oh so easy being wise after the event and as Egan's learned today, hoping for a helpful gap cannot be
assumed (even in a small field) especially in a race full of quality performers or a slower-paced affair.

I backed the Gosden pair but I'm not whining too much - as boringly clichéd as it sounds...that's racing

Sorry but I simply can;t believe anybody saying there was nothing Egan could have done there.  He went for a fap that simply wasn't there, then, after doing what he should have done initially and pulling out to get a run, he goes fully five lengths clear of the horse which he "ran into" and loses by under a length.
Dreadful ride.

Sorry but I simply can;t believe anybody saying there was nothing Egan could have done there.  He went for a gap that simply wasn't there, then, after doing what he should have done initially and pulling out to get a run, he goes fully five lengths clear of the horse which he "ran into" and loses by under a length.
Dreadful ride.

I did not blame Dettori losing on Stradivarius, why? Yes, his positioning could have been better, but I firmly believe the horse has regressed and lost tactical some pace. Also, the horse's ability to quicken is not as apparently as previous. As for Lord North I've never watched the race; Palace Pier vs Baaeed, I still think the latter would have won contrary to the opinion of the trainer of the former. Btw I was on Palace Pier that day.

Dettori has also won many when in "duels" against the AOB battalions riding in concert.

duffy sums it up very well above.

Jockey bashing 'rife'? Please provide some examples outside of public forums. Fact is there isn't any. None, zero.   

At least those on the train who never criticise would claim to be protecting their jobs as some sort of an excuse, not sure what the excuse is on here though. There is nothing clever about turning a blind eye to mistakes as a certain Prime Minister has found out, time and again.

Nobody should need to ride for luck in a 6 runner Group 1.

If people actually flagged up every bad ride there wouldn't be room for anything else.

You would have to be in cuckoo land to think today's riders are anywhere close to the likes of Piggott, Eddery, Carson, Cauthen etc. It's been dire ever since journeyman jocks started winning the Championship.

LH - I'm in agreement with you that it looks dreadful (once knowing the result) and I've also said a gap
can't be relied upon in a small field when there's plenty of quality about - to put it another way...when
they turned for home, I was happy with Egan's positioning - just not with what happened next.
Were others on Mishriff content with where he sat turning in?


It was unfortunate and I'm not being a jockey apologist but I have seen some unforgivably appalling rides
over the years in G1 races that few people would even remember - most notably Jamie Spencer on Tycoon in the
King George, when I braced myself, like the Pink Panther or Wile E. Coyote for the imminent
collision into the árse of one dropping back - it seemed to be just like a slow motion car-crash and I could
see exactly what was gonna happen before Spencer - extremely frustrating...especially having backed him at 25/1.

Then again, as regards Mishriff's demise...I would've been sobbing if it'd cost me a really decent sum in a multiple bet.

I think Moore on Seventh Heaven (5/4) in the Champions Fillies and Mares Stakes at Ascot. That was visibly shocking. I think even a rabbit might think twice what he tried to do!

Isn`t it your bedtime Impossible 123?

I watched a couple times more and withdraw criticism of Egan - I don't think there was much he could do - he wanted to go wider byt Soumillon (great ridig) got there before him. After that Egan was in the lap of the gods and it didn't work out. Split second stuff.... and a bit tough. Definitely on best horse ..... probably, but you can never be sure. We'll see if they meet again.

Totally agree with differentdrum..

Egan ended up being forced to do what he could have done voluntarily around a furlong earlier ie switch to the outer.

Mind, I didn't think Soumillon was asking for everything in the closing stages, so the winner might have found plenty more in an all out drive, imo.

True George