Johnny G still critical...

' Saga should of won !!!! '   

Bitter man.

Maybe he needs a holiday old people like Saga...............SEND A GRANDAD AWAY

Yep, certainly still bristling about Saga, I guess it's the knighthood on hold and he thought he had it the bag.

Johnny G - a product of the upper class who despise those peasants below them (as they perceive it).

Great trainer but you wouldn't want to feel his displeasure.

Ruthless just ask Jimmy Fortune.

He's paid to train horses that's his job , hardly need to be Einstein.

He's a hired hand who needs to get on with his job and stop creating for news stories.

Poor Jimmy didn't even see it coming.

Jocked Fortune off Ravens Pass in America.

was the correct decision.

I've never liked John Gosden and today he's shown his true colours Typically he did his best to put us away when asked about Inspiral's chances, 'She'll come on for the run' was the best he could offer! he couldn't hold a candle to the likes of Charlie Appleby, who imo is different class, both as a man and as a trainer. Gosden has basked in the success of Frankie Dettori for some years and now is the 1st to throw him under the bus when he has a bad day. I can't see them continuing their partnership, not if Frankie's got any sense, he doesn't need Gosden!

'driver2', I agree about Gosden. He was economical with the truth about Emily Upjohn. Similarly, So Mi Dar plus a few others in the past.

Dettori won so many races for him when stuffing Moore at Ascot eg Journey (F&M). I was disappointed (for a professional) he said (in public) what he said about Saga ie the horse should have won yesterday; I was astonished gobsmacked even when he said Inspiral was ready for The Guineas, then suffered a setback. He never said or even hinted that; Cheveley Park rep hinted she'd not come to herself only (nothing about a setback).

But, I was glad the lady Cheveley Park owner stipulated Inspiral would step-up in distance; Gosden - caught unaware -responded possibly 10f.

Agree with driver , should get on with the job he's paid to do , at the moment he's coming across as an attention seeking ****.

Remember Gosden running Roaring Lion in The Derby? Most thought it was too far for the horse - I did. Also, not running Jack Hobbs on softish ground (his favoured going) in The Arc just because of Golden Horn was not sporting either.

Neither have had a good week, but typical racing the one you could have found plenty of reasons to oppose bolts up.

I've just watched Saga again, Gosden knows his stuff but she was never travelling like a winner and at the time I was surprised she got so close.

Has Dettori been attention seeking this week? I thought he was keeping a low profile especially after yesterdays rides. Can't really avoid the media and I thought his interview today was good enough.

I think poster meant Gosden. A private word between the two would have been more useful; AOB did with Dettori as witnessed by tv.

A O Brien would never throw his jockey under a bus like he has. Total lack of class and humility.

One obviously has class the other does not.

Rainbow View an odds on loser in the 2000 gns is one I will always remember in 2008.  After the race he says that Jimmy told him that the ground was like a road yet later on he had another runner who would only run if the ground was suitable it was a soft ground horse who not only ran but won the race as well. Never taken any notice of Gosden since.

I think Dettori ought contemplate going freelance as he does not need the money or the adulation. He's had a bad Ascot - even he'd agree, but very few and far between. To me he's still the best jockey here; most trainers will still use him including AOB, I believe.

Gosden is in the twilight of his career. And, when he finally hangs up his training boot the present owners at Clarehaven might consider other option too.

IMHO a lot of the partnerships of father and son end up in disappointment. Gary Moore says if his lads want to train, they set up themselves.

A O Brien would never throw his jockey under a bus like he has

this is true. Gosden doubling down on Frankie today - what's that all about?

Gosden a friend of Matt Hancock, enough said

impossible123 17 Jun 22 19:16

I think Dettori ought contemplate going freelance as he does not need the money or the adulation. He's had a bad Ascot - even he'd agree, but very few and far between. To me he's still the best jockey here; most trainers will still use him including AOB, I believe.

Gosden is in the twilight of his career. And, when he finally hangs up his training boot the present owners at Clarehaven might consider other option too.
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He is practically 'Freelance' anyway - in his association with Gosden - as ...

Gosden does not have Runners in Every race at the bigger meetings - let alone every race, every day - leaving Dettori free for 'spares' - But -

Frankie would NOT being running around after rides all over the place, anyway - Strewth - How much more money does he need ? -  and he still rides some for Aidan O'Brien

He is SEMORETIRED as it stands - misses many a day's racing as it is .... and he is 51 years old, too

You post ...

'Gosden is in the twilight of his career. And, when he finally hangs up his training boot the present owners at Clarehaven might consider other option too.'
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When Gosden Retires - Frankie will have been long gone, too ....

^  *  SEMI-RETIRED

My mum was friends (after the fact) with the wife of the pilot of the plane involved in the crash. I won't tell you what she thinks of LF but having class isn't involved. It was their wedding anniversary or something and he rang her to cancel the reservation as he wouldn't be flying home that night as it was too dangerous - something changed that. I'll leave you lot to imagine what that might have been.
I thought the ride on Strad was mediocre but I don't think he'd have finished nearer - the ride on Saga was terrible when put together with the pics before the race where he looked a million miles away and rode 75% of the race that way!

Frankie Dettori was given a two-day riding ban by the stewards at Ascot on Friday, following an inquiry into his use of the whip on Stradivarius in the Gold Cup.

The stewards were unable to interview Dettori on Thursday, so the hearing was carried forward 24 hours.

The officials ruled Dettori had used his whip above the permitted level in the closing stages of the race, one which prompted much discussion afterwards and left trainer John Gosden wondering out loud why Dettori had opted to take the three-time winner back from his early position.

The eight-year-old had to be switched widest of all for a run, and despite finishing with a flourish he had to settle for third behind Kyprios and Mojo Star.

Everybody has a right to an opinion and to show dissatisfaction. I have no problem with that at all and even Dettori is not beyond reproach. He's a big boy and has the character to take the criticism as all high profile sports people have to do at some stage of their careers. It should have been left at that though and not raked over yet again today by Gosden.

Frankie is very much near the end of his career and is rarely riding in the day to day routine stuff which is probably doing him no favours and as for freelance if he's not prepared to graft the opportunities would soon dry up.
He will not go beyond next year if Gosden eases him out.
And finally he will rarely win close finishes now as he's lost that strength at the death

gosdens horses arent running well for a stable with the quality horses he has,easy to point the finger at detttori if you want a scapegoat

He wasn't on the best horse on the day in my opinion but you could see Dettori's body language was wrong throughout the gold cup, overthinking it. If there's a confidence jockey it's him and it's lacking currently.

His riding has been abysmal all week,even on inspiral today he was lucky the horse had 4 stone in hand, what was he doing after the gates opened.

I think that many of you have lost the point, particularly the likes of you spyker, (whatever are you on about?) No one is denying that Dettori has not had a good week and no one would deny that Ryan Moore wasn't exactly at the top of his game last season, but Aiden stuck by him and NEVER once berated him publicly. Gosden is once again making headlines in the Racing Post this morning slagging off Dettori again and I thought that he said words to the effect that "we get over it, we move on!" Doesn't look like he's getting over it!

Just watched the Brittania again and I don't think Frankie did a whole lot wrong on - always frustrating when you finish strongly and just fail to get up but that's big field handicaps for you.

The Stradivarous ride was worse, especially because it was a repeat of last year and the stayers race on Champions day. After 2f you knew Frankie was in trouble - he broke well and could easily have gone forward, it's not like Stradivarious is an especially complicate ride.
I magine the owner was seriously annoyed straight after the race and that maybe fed through to Gosden being an ars*.

I was at Leicester races about 20 years ago and the way Gosden spoke to the stable staff was appalling. Admonishing them in front of owners and using the word 'boy' in a disdainful way.

I guess we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, who knows what's happening there.

is this the fella who has won 500 plus group race winners and 20 plus classic winners in his career not to mention the arc and breeders cup winners. .

That's him Foyles, he didn't win Racing Personality of the year though, did he!

I did work for Big John for a few Years and have to say he was great boss but you knew your place....You would never call him John in a million years.

Dettori won The Arc on Golden Horn making "that" move when drawn in the car park. Also, numerous times Dettori out-manoeuvred the battalion of AOB in so many Group races. This Ascot is the one Dettori has been below his best nonetheless I'd still have him on my selection esp here.

Gosden (as a professional esp in this sport) ought to have kept his counsel post the race like he did post the Irish Derby when Smullen rode a rare injudicious race on Crackman tracking (wide) the entire battalion (5) of AOB.

Gosden twice denied horseracing fans and connections of Jack Hobbs (Godolphin/against Golden Horn) and Cracksman (Oppenheimer/against Enable) in the Arc by not running these two horses despite suitable ground for private reasons.

'acey', working for the Americano quite a kudos in your CV. Were it in the days when Big John was in the shadow of Sir Cecil and Sir Stoute and Mr Cumani?

Is Alfred Munnings a good thing in the 2.30pm at Ascot?

He probably is if a good thing as long as the money keeps coming for him imp.I would just like to say it was a pleasure to have worked for the big man.

I do not doubt Gosden is a good trainer, just do not like his priority for personal and professional reasons for the sport esp when he's in the box seat. I think he was "managed" to run Roaring Lion in the Epsom Derby.

I think people would respect Frankie much more, if he held his hands up, and admitted his ride on Strad was not what you'd expect from him in such a ''high profile'' race ! Honesty is ALWAYS the best policy imvho.

Not so long ago Gosden was slagging off Adam Kirby referring to him as The All Weather jockey.
Calls a spade a spade but not sure he's got any gardening tools in his shed

just comes across as not a very likeable chap. Self entitled and lucky to have had the owners he has through the years.

Would be critical of Havlin at Newmarket,couldn’t keep Breslin running straight

Bresson

Crikey
Thought this thread was about been
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John Gosden brought Frankie Dettori out of the wilderness. He'd lost his crown at the Godolphin camp after being caught powdering his nose and subsequently started dropping in their pecking order which was somewhat humiliating for him. Gosden singularly resurrected Dettori's career after he was fast becoming the forgotten man. He should have accepted the fact that his ride on Stradivarius was not his finest hour and should have quietly (away from the cameras et al) apologised to Gosden and Strad's owner. If he had they may well have accepted that and moved on but by trying to cover his inept ride by suggesting Stradivarius is no longer quite up to it because of his age was IMO ridiculous and that stance has come back to bite him in the a*s.

I remember when Johnny G averted a major bad news day for racing with his eloquence in the post race tv interview after  the  2011 King George when the Godolphin horse Rewilding broke his leg up the home straight.
His media presence has always been impressive.

And I have to say that Jack Hobbs wouldnt have had much chance in Golden Horns Arc. Similarly I wouldnt have given Cracksman much hope in Enables Arc.

As a trainer he has to live with his jockeys decisions. Frankie D has been a huge bonus in the last 7 or 8 years. Mostly this has come about with Aidan trusting in Ryan holding up his horses and allowing FD first run.

This year the boot seems to be on the other foot. Someone at Coolmore seems to have had a word with Ryan while Dettori is perhaps riding less enthusiastically.
Even so I have to side with the trainer on the Stradi question. You never want to be wondering what might have been when you lose.

I think that the public criticism of Frankie might just  give an insight into the content of Gosden’s character.

On one hand he says you have to not dwell on the past and move on. Then he goes back and publicly criticises the riding of Franky from the day before in a truly sulky matter with his pet lip in action. I wonder if he is lining up or preparing the ground for sacking Frankie and once again showing a remarkable lack of loyalty to his jockey?

Not sure either he or his dreadful Hooray Henry son or Tory grandee wife are much bothered by what ordinary punters think. The current Tory view of the world is that there is one set of laws, norms export rules for the plebs and none at all for the entitled Hooray Henries..

Has he gone?

As in all top sports there are a few vipers in the pit. Get the snakes in the city team in, they'll soon have them cornered, bagged up and relocated. I hear Rwanda is an up and coming location

There's a 'Frankie' thread on here,people criticising his
riding,there's always many a thread about the T.V pundits
not saying when a jockey rides a shocker and they quickly
gloss over the fact.I'm not a lover of Gosden,myself,yet
when he says it how it is and speaks his mind,he's in the
wrong.People can't have it both ways.

You don't usually dig out your own players in public. I suppose immediately after the event, when they have a mic thrust in their face the stress and adrenaline is still flowing, but doing it again the next day when the dust has settled is something else.

Agree with that cider

I am not ever in favour of an employee having a go at their staff in public,

Is downright rude. It says rather more about the content of the employer’s character than the employed person.

Franky has done more to positively publicise racing than any other individual. He is the best jockey since Pigott and won many races he probably shouldn’t have done. A public slagging is totally inappropriate, not least from a top trainer with hundreds of horses to train and yet who still has not managed to work out how to prepare a horse for the Guineas.

Some bad rides by Frankie this last week no doubt. But Gosden is probably thinking if he doesnt publicly criticise Dettori then from a owners perspective (current or future) it sends a message out that Dettori or any future jockey connected to stable is beyond reproach. Not saying what he did is 100% correct but he didnt exactly throw Frankie under the bus he just had a go a couple of times to enforce his disappointment.

COT - anything you dont bring politics into and to suggest Gosden is not a truly great trainer because of his guineas record is a cheap shot - some trainers don't go gunho early on
like Charlton or indeed Gosden its a long season with plenty of big opportunities albeit everyone wants to win a classic.

in the 28 races before yesterday listening to jocks and trainers 14 of them were won by the wrong horse because their horse should/would have won

Gosden isn't a tv pundit he is a trainer and an employer. He should know better. It shouldn't be the trainer but the pundits criticising but they are so worried they may not get anymore interviews they say nothing.

I am not sure Frankie has ridden anything badly. His defeat in the Oaks was in exceptional circumstances and the future may show he was lucky to get that close to the winner. Stradivarius many on here, me included, didn't think Stradivarius would win and he wasn't beaten far. Frankie had two choices come round the field or stay on the inside. He could only do one of those two choices. Now, with hindsight he took the wrong choice and anyone thinking if he had been closer that a gap would have appeared is purely guesswork.
And there were, apparently, loads of horses with hard luck stories at Ascot.

Good & accurate summary in my view brigust