Dettori !!!!!

What's wrong? He was placed! :D

Come on guys.....let's be fair....he did nothing wrong there, just got beaten by a better horse on the day......shame for the Queen though....

The Queen will be taking Dettori off the birthday honours list...

Someone nudge nudge  must have laid it to help Andrew pay out that 12 million

be fair..? outridden my Kirby, its like Audley Harrison outboxing Ali...

Horse wasn't good enough.

No point in giving it a hard race when it's beat.

You're right Starkeycars...........Her Majesty will have told Andrew not to sweat ( as apparently he sometimes doesn't) as it's in the bag.

now wheres that switch.....if you don't believe me.....then just listen to what Ruby said....hopefully you'll believe him.......he wasn't beaten a head btw

Prince he is not at royal ascot today apparently he is visiting a Pizza Hut

Andrew must even sweat in this weather

Someone nudge nudge  must have laid it to help Andrew pay out that 12 million Devil.......Starkey, that can't go unchallenged.....walofs

Did nothing wrong here, just beaten by a better horse on the day.

now wheres that switch!!! 16 Jun 22 17:47 
be fair..? outridden my Kirby, its like Audley Harrison outboxing Ali...


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Nowt to do with being outbattled by a better horse then? 

I don't think he'd have won anyway, but did look to me like he gave up very early in the straight.

Dettori was not man enough to put his hands up for a shocker on Stradivarius..........Dettori did not seem to think Stradivarius was as unfortunate as Gosden did.

He said: "He's run a great race. It got a bit messy when I had to switch, but the younger horses had more legs than me at the end. I had every chance to get them, but they were stronger than me. But it's been a good era for him."

On his passage in the home straight, he added: "I had to pull out for a run, that's the only place I could go because everything was getting tight, but when I pulled him out, he had plenty of time.

"Usually he had the electric turn of foot when he was young but he's not four anymore, he's eight. I laboured a bit at the end and I was never going to get them."

Dettori the clown. WALOFS.

Once again the clock tells a story. Reach for the Moon in its previous three starts had never got close to going below course standard even allowing for the going whereas Claymore`s second in the Craven was well below standard and today he replicated that level of form.No comment re Stradivarius but the better horse on the day won despite any jockey considerations.

Very unusual at this stage of the meeting for Gosden`s stable to be win less but the clock does give Inspiral a good chance tomorrow if she is anything like ready to give her best and maybe Frankie will go from villain to hero.

Nearly as bad as the Swain excuse in The Breeder Cup blaming the lights in the car park for the horse hanging across the track.

He's hardly a "clown" given the stratospheric success his career has been.  Recently however he has been making uncharacteristic errors, no doubt about that.  His ba$$s up in the stalls with the hood was just unforgiveable for a senior jockey and he left Saga far too far back today.  I wondered at his tactics with Stradi and even thought the horse was labouring a little with a mile to go but Gosden thinks he kept it too far off the pace and who am I to contradict him.
I've thought since Emily Upjohn that the Gosdens might be contemplating a change and I think that looks very likely now.
Indeed, by the look of his face behind the stalls in the next, they may well have given him the news immediately after the Gold Cup?  he looked anything but happy.
All good things come to an end and he has had a stellar career.  Funny he chooses Ascot to bu&&er it all up, what.

I wondered about his motivation before that last race must admit - he could hardly have been pumped up for it, could he?

Rishi very defensive of Dettori this morning.

Far to many on here have short memories. Frankie has been a refreshing Jockey for the sport and his record speaks for itself.
However, he will know deep down it wasn't his finest rides of late.
But some of things said on here shows their are far to many w@nkers on here who aint got a clue.

this year he's looked like he's trying to win races with as little effort as he can - he's 51 well passed his physical peak

I agree. We all have days when things don't go as we would wish and Frankie is no different to others. He is a great ambassador of our sport all around the world and I doubt any other sport has anyone like him so we should cherish him while he is still here. I bet Lester took some stick in his time but we all now look back and wonder at his achievements. It will be similar with Frankie. I am sure of that.

^ I was agreeing with Matt. As Steve Jobs once said 'there is a big difference between being a human being and being human'.

A_T

this year he's looked like he's trying to win races with as little effort as he can - he's 51 well passed his physical peak

Fortunately it's the horses that do the running

A line or 2 of Charlie might perk him up? It's helped loads of the top lads over the years

You can't use his past record to defend his riding this week. I'm sure there will be a summit conference at Gosden HQ after this Ascot meeting is over. All jockeys go through a bad patch but in my view he is not riding as well as he has in the past.

pundits getting in to jocks heads champion jock getting jittery excited overthinking it from 2 miles out because he,s getting a clear run on the inside
although i must have missed the haggas interview saying he cant understand why marquand /fallon arnt used by more trainers in top races,

If reach for the moon wasn't odds on and the Queen's horse then it wouldn't warrant a mention.

The Gold cup was a bad ride win or lose. He wouldn't have won but it was still a bad ride.

yep itv banging on all day about hampton court,wasnt even a race at royal ascoy a few yrs back an after though on the ascot heath card if i remember right

I have not yet watched the Hampton Court but in addition to a jockey who is not at his very best, the horse was deemed "not ready" for the Derby 2 weeks ago. Despite a few low profile wins, Gosden form is below par this season and Frankie does not ride all of them.

Fortunately it's the horses that do the running

not much gets past you Denzil

wonder whether today he's set for a 3 or 4 timer or another load of grief?

Inspiral is another that was "not ready" earlier so we have to take it on trust that she is back to form. She might hack up but a place only on Sandrine will do for me.

4.5 to back would suggest be better for the run when it loses we'll get same bluff.

decided that the forum jinx might play out so ive stuck his rides in an e/w yankee

not much gets past you Denzil

C'mon now Denzil - see the funny side!

Let's hope today he rides a 7-timer.

From what I have read of his comments this morning it looks likes like he blames the horse.

Better just keep his mouth shut and concentrate today, it will be a tough day. One or two jocks likely to kipper him up again.

Blaming the horse is not socially or professionally accepted. I think Dettori ought to have taken the age of Stradivarius into consideration eg his pace and the instant acceleration associated are lacking.

I honestly wondered during the race why he didn;t sit and suffer and stay inside and hope that the gap would come - as one actually did - and was stunned when Ruby felt much the same.  Has he lost his nerve do you think?
I love Frankie and thank him for everything he has given to racing - a huge contribution - and to me in my enjoyment of racing.  But something is wrong.  I don;t know what it is but he is not the jock he was even a year ago.

Poor form...  he strikes me as someone who cannot admit when he's made mistakes..

Else, exactly... I've permed up his 4 today as well for small stakes

Dettori can't take the most detached, constructive criticism, even from the likes of John Gosden. Stradivarius, despite his advancing years was ready and capable of winning yesterdays Gold Cup but his jockey was not.

2 day whip ban and tailed off on a decent £120,000 unbeaten Gosden 2yo in the first

It's bordering on comic-tragedy now

Could he go to Coolmore? Moore seems a rejuvenated jock. He's riding to win!

He's been good,but never great.
You can count on your hand the terrible rides given by Piggott, Mercer, Cauthe Et al. (actually I don't remember any.
He is in double figures for awful rides.

Cauthen*

Wonder who would replace him if they split? My guess would be Doyle but I'd choose Tudhope.

Trawlerman given zero chance of winning from that position

and I didnt back it so not pocket talking

Retirement beckons

Looks like he has got the hump big time.

Frankie Spencer

Call for Rab he has gone.

A sulking ride IMO...

Told you before after withdrawal that one in the Ribbles is karma.

There's clearly no succession plan in place, but I could see this getting announced on Sunday

He was last on Trawlerman after 5 strides. Hopeless after that but if he had jumped off close to the front he would at least have had a chance.

Many, many years ago when Bruce Raymond was in the twilight of his career he rode a horse owned by Lady Beaverbrook. She made the statement after he lost on one of hers that she felt Raymond lacked fire in his belly and while I'm certainly not suggesting Trawlerman could have even run close today, it was ridden by a jockey that similarly lacks fire in his belly.

if up to me shoemark would be in twice a week & start riding everything that's decent...with immediate effect

Bout time time Rab got the number one seat innit?

Rab's rarely the best jockey in his own car

Let's hope so Daryl.

Let's hope so Daryl.

Well he must be feeling the pressure a bit now. I hope he doesn't get any bad luck in this race.

Thankfully for Inspiral backers is that there seems to be plenty of confidence in her...she couldn't win at 3/1.

Not so long ago some of the posters on here were saying the same things about Ryan Moore, even suggesting that Coolmore should replace him.

Not so long ago some of the posters on here were saying the same things about Ryan Moore, even suggesting that Coolmore should replace him.  -- I think it's a bit different for Frankie. He is at the end of his career and I suppose it will be a bad run that would bring on retirement.  Don't forget he had a really poor run with Godolphin which he survived well.

Hope Inspiral is very good, because he's got himself shuttled out the back once again.

think it was

Armchair ride, but glad he's broken the duck

let the gushfest begin

held up off a steady pace for a group 1 gush gush

extraordinary

Cringeworthy sycophantism from Machin there!

THAR YOO GO

Your Grandma could have won on that.

I could of won on that ffs

redeemed f all imo

Super frankie,...


Rest finished in a heap, but super impressive win

Jun 17, 2022 -- 10:28AM, Greg_Gory wrote:

I could of won on that ffs

Well pleased for Frankie!

Still managed to lose his place early but she is so good she nearly left him behind.

Frankie sounds out of breath..

Well done Frankie!!! Never give up! We all have bad days!

My grandma could have won on that and she's now just a bag of bones......................................may have been disqualified however for weighing in light...

Brilliant horse

johnny g still having a dig lol

the only reason he won is because i decided to jump on the anti-frankie bandwagon and laid the thing. sensed i was in bother so place-laid the septic horse in 2nd.    im absolutely useless at this caper

Doesn't sound like this rift will be healed soon.

Inspiral could be a serious rival to Baaeed getting a 3yo fillies allowance. She was just awesome and beat 2 Guineas winners out of sight.

Dermot Weld will not have liked seeing that...

Mile division is absolutely loaded.

The owner hinting to trainer a step-up in distance on air. I do like that!

Inspiral could be a serious rival to Baaeed getting a 3yo fillies allowance. She was just awesome and beat 2 Guineas winners out of sight.  -- The guineas winners only finished a length ahead of a maiden (although I think she improved and will win a listed/G3 soon if placed properly. They gert the allowance for a reason, I don't think she could ever beat Baaeed.

Sat close to a suicidal pace up front on Honiton.......................another clown show....

Personally I'd go for James Doyle ! I put him in front of Hollie Doyle at the moment... your thoughts ?.....

Johnny Gee shaking his head with the start of Inspiral !

Surely, he needs someone like James Doyle to take over as no ! ?...

Surely, he needs someone like James Doyle to take over as no 1 ?...