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Alkeyhole
04 Jun 22 15:42
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Should have stayed home & played with his trains.  Got the best horse beaten.
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Report Ibrahima Sonko June 4, 2022 4:43 PM BST
Cry
Report DancingBraveTheBest June 4, 2022 4:52 PM BST
St Leger winner imo
Report swiftynifty June 4, 2022 5:11 PM BST
ye, horse should get back on track next time, all stations to Doncaster
Report saddo June 4, 2022 5:15 PM BST
I would think that almost everyone who didn't back the third will agree that the best horse on the day won on the day.
Report LoyalHoncho June 4, 2022 5:16 PM BST
Agreed.  Also, imo, Hornby is a very moderate jockey and finds trouble far too often for it to be a co-incidence.
Report 11kv June 4, 2022 5:21 PM BST
Thank fook Bryony wasn't riding it.
Report LoyalHoncho June 4, 2022 5:21 PM BST
Clown.
Report 11kv June 4, 2022 5:22 PM BST
Laugh
Report swiftynifty June 4, 2022 5:37 PM BST
He's given a thoroughly acceptable synopsis, didn't have the pace when the gap came.
Report jinxy June 4, 2022 7:00 PM BST
Rob is a very below average jockey that gets rides , expected no more than we got today , never going to win . Lucky he had such a good horse for his Derby ride ! He wasn`t good! He knew that after his interview post race ! Won`t get many more Derby rides on the back of that !
Report A_T June 4, 2022 7:24 PM BST
should stick to train sets
Report A_T June 4, 2022 7:26 PM BST
sorry see the OP made that joke already Blush
Report 1830 June 4, 2022 8:36 PM BST
I dont think hes a great Jockey, however I have to agree that the horse didnt appear good enough to quicken when asked.
Report DancingBraveTheBest June 4, 2022 11:36 PM BST
Its all hindsight....and as they say...hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hornby shud have followed the winner on the outside instead of taking the dangerous route. His own fault, simply no awareness of what was going on around him imo.
Report GEORGE.B June 4, 2022 11:44 PM BST
Just unlucky imo.

If the horse goes for the Irish Derby, will he keep the ride?

Dettori rode a Group 1 winner for Ralph last season, will he get the call?
Report GEORGE.B June 4, 2022 11:45 PM BST
Harsh, imo, if Hornby does lose the ride.
Report chavman June 4, 2022 11:57 PM BST
if the winner gets beaten this season ill stop posting
Report Fashion Fever June 5, 2022 12:11 AM BST
finnished like a steam engine
Report GEORGE.B June 21, 2022 1:10 PM BST
GEORGE.B 04 Jun 22 23:44 
Just unlucky imo.
If the horse goes for the Irish Derby, will he keep the ride?
Dettori rode a Group 1 winner for Ralph last season, will he get the call?


No, they've gone for the top man in Ireland, CK.
Report brigust1 June 21, 2022 2:34 PM BST
It is a no-brainer to use a champion jockey in Ireland. The Curragh takes some knowing and riding. Nothing to do with Hornby's ride at Epsom.
Report penzance June 21, 2022 2:40 PM BST
Would imagine it has got to do with the Epsom ride.
If he'd of won,do you think Keane would be getting the gig.
I doubt it.
Report Whippin Piccadilly June 21, 2022 2:43 PM BST
If Keane wins on the beast, then Rob ain't getting the ride back.
Report duffy June 21, 2022 2:52 PM BST
What beats me is the suggestion that he was an unlucky loser, the winner is in a completely different class, the gap closed because the horse never had the acceleration to get to it first, at the same time the winner was putting the race to bed in a matter of strides.
Report GEORGE.B June 21, 2022 3:05 PM BST
I think the gap was closing before he had any chance to get through it, and although there is little doubt the winner was travelling the best at that point and likely would have taken a few lengths out of him, the big question is what would have happened if Westover had been allowed to build his momentum unimpeded. The interference quite literally stopped him in his tracks with substantial loss of momentum.

But's here a thing I picked up on watching the race back in its entirety, and it's to do with the uphill run from the start, whereas the second and Westover were able to slot in on the inner quite quickly and have ground-saving trips, Desert Crown did a lot of running to get into his position and even then had a wider trip than ideal. So more kudos to the winner, imo.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk June 21, 2022 3:09 PM BST
Some horses have instant acceleration and some need a few secs to reach top speed.
Given a clear run on the outside there is no doubt in my mind that Westover would've given Des Crown a real race.
He'd have had to give him a few lengths start but the turbo was kicking in after being impeded and momentum lost.
Imo
We see horses every day quicken clear and get caught, so to me that's what happened in the derby, nearly
Saying Desert had plenty left is guess work imo. I though he went a bit early and was plateauing at the end.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk June 21, 2022 3:12 PM BST
Sorry George, your post wasn't there when I was typing.
I agree Cool
Report impossible123 June 21, 2022 4:01 PM BST
Westover was unlucky...not to be 2nd. However, he'd not have won the Epsom Derby; Desert Crown was cantering to the 2f marker.

I think Westover lacked tactical speed when it mattered ie when the pace quickened. But, he'd not have beaten S=desert Crown.
Report acey deucy June 21, 2022 4:19 PM BST
Right decision Hornby would not have a clue how to ride the Curragh...I mean i think Hornby is a very good Jockey but like Horses for courses Jockeys for courses is every bit as important.Plain
Report duffy June 21, 2022 4:45 PM BST
Isn't Hornby on strike Saturday anyhowSilly
Report grayhawk June 21, 2022 4:56 PM BST
A very good jockey is a phrase i never thought i'd see when talking about Rob Hornby Acey Duecy.....
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 21, 2022 5:04 PM BST
I thought Hoo Ya Mal and Westover had the perfect positions 3 and 4 back coming round Tattenham Corner on the inside.  So he got into trouble, but he had the dream passage before he got into trouble.  Harder to win coming round the outside like Desert Crown imo.
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 21, 2022 5:05 PM BST
Westover may have won with a dream run like Hoo Ya Mal had, but he wouldn't have the best horse.
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 21, 2022 5:06 PM BST
wouldn't have been the best horse
Report acey deucy June 21, 2022 5:30 PM BST
Grayhawk after further thought i would like to downgrade that to a good jockey.Plain
Report grayhawk June 21, 2022 5:47 PM BST
Grin
Report lead on June 21, 2022 8:33 PM BST
very aptly named ride in the 8.40
Report GEORGE.B June 21, 2022 11:34 PM BST
Colin Keane was asked about the ride after he'd won the last at Sligo, said it was hard on Rob but it is what it is and it's a great spare to get, looking forward to it.
Report LoyalHoncho June 22, 2022 3:38 AM BST
Did he ride any winners at Ascot? 
No.
He got one horse placed out of eight rides.  Says everything anybody needs to know about the guy.
A modestly skilled jockey by any measure used.
Report G Hall June 22, 2022 9:32 AM BST
Backing unlucky losers is the way to the poor house. The bookies will be looking to get westover I wouldn't blame the jockey.
Report GEORGE.B June 22, 2022 9:58 AM BST
Backing unlucky losers is the way to the poor house.

While that adage has foundation to it as such horses tend to be overbet and as a result go off shorter than they should, isn't it the case that anyone who backs Westover is simply backing the horse with the best form as things stand, even without factoring in that he would finished closer with a trouble-free run?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk June 22, 2022 9:59 AM BST
I'm well in front doing it. Dancing Brave didn't do too bad.
Report differentdrum June 22, 2022 11:39 AM BST
I said at the time the best horse won the Derby and I see no reason to change that opinion. If Westover and Desert Crown travelled upsides in a race, Westover would struggle to get the Derby winner off the bridle. He made late gains when the race was over.

Are they saying Hornby isn't good enough to ride good horses in Ireland, or not good enough to ride good horses full stop? He is an ordinary jock, but that goes for most of them. Moore has clearly been the best this season.

As for Hornby's rides at Royal Ascot I can only remember Rock Eagle. Wide trip, raced much too freely, and went for home about two furlongs too soon.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk June 22, 2022 12:04 PM BST
I'm amazed at the lack of comprehension of momentum lost and head starts given in races
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk June 22, 2022 12:34 PM BST
apologies, I was being facetious Cool
Report wondersobright June 25, 2022 3:48 PM BST
good luck rob getting back on that...no chance
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 25, 2022 3:48 PM BST
great ride, great horse.
Report Whippin Piccadilly June 25, 2022 3:50 PM BST
Better than Desert Crown?
Report A_T June 25, 2022 3:50 PM BST
backed it at epsom but not today. typical Sad
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk June 25, 2022 3:50 PM BST
Roll on a rematch with DC
Report N-east Correspondent June 25, 2022 3:50 PM BST
no messing from Keane there, couple of hefty whacks when going clear to make absolutely sure
Report wondersobright June 25, 2022 3:50 PM BST
re-match betting won't be far off joint favs
Report Whippin Piccadilly June 25, 2022 3:51 PM BST
I think so! Cool
Report Whippin Piccadilly June 25, 2022 3:51 PM BST
I will be in the Westover camp
Report wondersobright June 25, 2022 3:52 PM BST
7 lengths
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 25, 2022 3:52 PM BST
I have backed in every race he has run after his debut, even as 2yo when he got beat he should had won.
Report deeppockets June 25, 2022 3:52 PM BST
Just watching on TV but Westover doesn't look to quicken quiter as fast as Desert Crown
Report in hell June 25, 2022 3:52 PM BST
Proper Jockey onboard
Report Alkeyhole June 25, 2022 3:55 PM BST
As I said, Rob Hornby got the best horse beaten.  Although we'll have to wait until he meets the Epsom Derby winner before everybody agrees.
Report swiftynifty June 25, 2022 3:57 PM BST
unfortunately for Hornby he'll probably struggle to get back on him ever again now.
Report in hell June 25, 2022 3:59 PM BST
Hornby won't be trusted again on it
Report wondersobright June 25, 2022 3:59 PM BST
plenty evens available hornby rides it again Silly
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk June 25, 2022 3:59 PM BST
Will Rob get the ride back?
The connections did say Colin only got the ride because he knows the Curragh so well
Let's see if they are full of it Cool
Report duffy June 25, 2022 4:04 PM BST
wondersobright 25 Jun 22 15:50 
re-match betting won't be far off joint favs


Desert Crown would be closer to 1/2 in a rematch I'd have thought. Anyone can think that Westover would have won on the day without being stopped if they choose but nothing today has enhanced him, the first 3 throughout were the first 3 home,the horses in behind ran absolute shockers and looked significantly impeded from being so far back.
Report duffy June 25, 2022 4:05 PM BST
You've also got to factor in any amount of improvement from DC.
Report A_T June 25, 2022 4:07 PM BST
I think the pace of the race was alright just the opposition today was useless. Tuesday flattered by her Oaks win.
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 25, 2022 4:08 PM BST
Derby form stacking up quite well
Report Whippin Piccadilly June 25, 2022 4:09 PM BST
Has Westover done improving though? On that evidence you'd have to say no. And DC is very likely still improving too.....I want to see the rematch!
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 25, 2022 4:09 PM BST
1-2 in the KE and 1-2 in the ID
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 25, 2022 4:18 PM BST
Even the 3rd horse lends collateral form to the Derby through Stone Age
Report LoyalHoncho June 25, 2022 5:17 PM BST
I am now convinced more than ever that jockey incompetence got this horse beat at Epsom.  Also, the way it finished in the Derby and the way Keane rode it today - up with the pace to exploit the horse's stamina in the later stages - makes me wonder how they didn;t ride it that way at Epsom.  We'll never know but it looked a very good 12f horse today.
Report brigust1 June 25, 2022 11:51 PM BST
When Hornby rode Westover in the Derby he beat Piz Badile by 14 lengths today CK only beat it 7 lengths. Why shouldn't Hornby ride it next time?
Report doantwin2easy June 26, 2022 1:28 AM BST
At the risk of over timing, Tuesday was a lucky oaks winner, and Westover a somewhat unlucky Derby third. The latter might have won (but probably not) and the former would definitely have not imo.

Plus factor in a 3yr year old colt against a 3yr old filly (although a sex difference more advantageous in the 2yr old season) I still think that the boys form holds the majority of the time.
Report A_T June 26, 2022 8:25 AM BST
Why shouldn't Hornby ride it next time?

probably in case he makes another mess of it
Report brigust1 June 26, 2022 9:09 AM BST
A_T I think the future will show Westover is very lucky to be considered, by some, an unlucky loser in the Derby and if I were his owner and trainer I would swerve another meeting with Desert Crown until possibly the Arc where, if it comes up really soft, he may have a chance. And I do believe Hornby should ride him and I will be very disappointed in his connections if he doesn't.
Report penzance June 26, 2022 9:19 AM BST
Anyone can see Westover was unlucky in running in the Derby.
Would he have won or not,probably not on the day but he would've
been much closer.No reason why he should swerve the King George.
Report A_T June 26, 2022 9:35 AM BST
brigust I think it would be fair enough for RH to get another chance but Keane did give a very good ride yesterday

if I owned Westover I would go for the Kg - there is only one to beat and with a horse is such good form you can't rely on waiting for October and I'm not sure Longchamp favours gallopers like Westover
Report brigust1 June 26, 2022 10:00 AM BST
A_T I also think CK gave Westover a good ride but, on form, he was miles in front of the only other two horses who got into the race and I am certain Hornby could have done the same. CK would have won much more difficult races than this in his career.
Even with Tuesday being ridden poorly yesterday I don't think she would have challenged the winner so I cannot see Emily Upjohn running in the KG. The German horse, last years Arc winner may run, it has already beaten Adayar and Hurricane Lane and they will have nothing to lose. Adayar has not yet been confirmed and Hurricane Lane was well beaten by Broome however if Westover turns up he will certainly have a hard race and very likely be beaten so I would go for the St Leger then the Arc, as I have said. The reason I said if the ground came up soft that, I think would help Westover. On faster ground Longchamp is a fast track.
If, and we might know more after the Eclipse, the three-year olds are over rated then they are all over rated and it will then be take your pick of the older horses.
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