Rob is a very below average jockey that gets rides , expected no more than we got today , never going to win . Lucky he had such a good horse for his Derby ride ! He wasn`t good! He knew that after his interview post race ! Won`t get many more Derby rides on the back of that !
Rob is a very below average jockey that gets rides , expected no more than we got today , never going to win . Lucky he had such a good horse for his Derby ride ! He wasn`t good! He knew that after his interview post race ! Won`t get many more Derby
Its all hindsight....and as they say...hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hornby shud have followed the winner on the outside instead of taking the dangerous route. His own fault, simply no awareness of what was going on around him imo.
Its all hindsight....and as they say...hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hornby shud have followed the winner on the outside instead of taking the dangerous route. His own fault, simply no awareness of what was going on around him imo.
If the horse goes for the Irish Derby, will he keep the ride?
Dettori rode a Group 1 winner for Ralph last season, will he get the call?
Just unlucky imo.If the horse goes for the Irish Derby, will he keep the ride?Dettori rode a Group 1 winner for Ralph last season, will he get the call?
GEORGE.B 04 Jun 22 23:44 Just unlucky imo. If the horse goes for the Irish Derby, will he keep the ride? Dettori rode a Group 1 winner for Ralph last season, will he get the call?
No, they've gone for the top man in Ireland, CK.
GEORGE.B 04 Jun 22 23:44 Just unlucky imo.If the horse goes for the Irish Derby, will he keep the ride?Dettori rode a Group 1 winner for Ralph last season, will he get the call?No, they've gone for the top man in Ireland, CK.
What beats me is the suggestion that he was an unlucky loser, the winner is in a completely different class, the gap closed because the horse never had the acceleration to get to it first, at the same time the winner was putting the race to bed in a matter of strides.
What beats me is the suggestion that he was an unlucky loser, the winner is in a completely different class, the gap closed because the horse never had the acceleration to get to it first, at the same time the winner was putting the race to bed in a
I think the gap was closing before he had any chance to get through it, and although there is little doubt the winner was travelling the best at that point and likely would have taken a few lengths out of him, the big question is what would have happened if Westover had been allowed to build his momentum unimpeded. The interference quite literally stopped him in his tracks with substantial loss of momentum.
But's here a thing I picked up on watching the race back in its entirety, and it's to do with the uphill run from the start, whereas the second and Westover were able to slot in on the inner quite quickly and have ground-saving trips, Desert Crown did a lot of running to get into his position and even then had a wider trip than ideal. So more kudos to the winner, imo.
I think the gap was closing before he had any chance to get through it, and although there is little doubt the winner was travelling the best at that point and likely would have taken a few lengths out of him, the big question is what would have happ
Some horses have instant acceleration and some need a few secs to reach top speed. Given a clear run on the outside there is no doubt in my mind that Westover would've given Des Crown a real race. He'd have had to give him a few lengths start but the turbo was kicking in after being impeded and momentum lost. Imo We see horses every day quicken clear and get caught, so to me that's what happened in the derby, nearly Saying Desert had plenty left is guess work imo. I though he went a bit early and was plateauing at the end.
Some horses have instant acceleration and some need a few secs to reach top speed.Given a clear run on the outside there is no doubt in my mind that Westover would've given Des Crown a real race.He'd have had to give him a few lengths start but the t
Westover was unlucky...not to be 2nd. However, he'd not have won the Epsom Derby; Desert Crown was cantering to the 2f marker.
I think Westover lacked tactical speed when it mattered ie when the pace quickened. But, he'd not have beaten S=desert Crown.
Westover was unlucky...not to be 2nd. However, he'd not have won the Epsom Derby; Desert Crown was cantering to the 2f marker.I think Westover lacked tactical speed when it mattered ie when the pace quickened. But, he'd not have beaten S=desert Crown
Right decision Hornby would not have a clue how to ride the Curragh...I mean i think Hornby is a very good Jockey but like Horses for courses Jockeys for courses is every bit as important.
Right decision Hornby would not have a clue how to ride the Curragh...I mean i think Hornby is a very good Jockey but like Horses for courses Jockeys for courses is every bit as important.
I thought Hoo Ya Mal and Westover had the perfect positions 3 and 4 back coming round Tattenham Corner on the inside. So he got into trouble, but he had the dream passage before he got into trouble. Harder to win coming round the outside like Desert Crown imo.
I thought Hoo Ya Mal and Westover had the perfect positions 3 and 4 back coming round Tattenham Corner on the inside. So he got into trouble, but he had the dream passage before he got into trouble. Harder to win coming round the outside like Deser
Colin Keane was asked about the ride after he'd won the last at Sligo, said it was hard on Rob but it is what it is and it's a great spare to get, looking forward to it.
Colin Keane was asked about the ride after he'd won the last at Sligo, said it was hard on Rob but it is what it is and it's a great spare to get, looking forward to it.
Did he ride any winners at Ascot? No. He got one horse placed out of eight rides. Says everything anybody needs to know about the guy. A modestly skilled jockey by any measure used.
Did he ride any winners at Ascot? No.He got one horse placed out of eight rides. Says everything anybody needs to know about the guy.A modestly skilled jockey by any measure used.
Backing unlucky losers is the way to the poor house.
While that adage has foundation to it as such horses tend to be overbet and as a result go off shorter than they should, isn't it the case that anyone who backs Westover is simply backing the horse with the best form as things stand, even without factoring in that he would finished closer with a trouble-free run?
Backing unlucky losers is the way to the poor house.While that adage has foundation to it as such horses tend to be overbet and as a result go off shorter than they should, isn't it the case that anyone who backs Westover is simply backing the horse
I said at the time the best horse won the Derby and I see no reason to change that opinion. If Westover and Desert Crown travelled upsides in a race, Westover would struggle to get the Derby winner off the bridle. He made late gains when the race was over.
Are they saying Hornby isn't good enough to ride good horses in Ireland, or not good enough to ride good horses full stop? He is an ordinary jock, but that goes for most of them. Moore has clearly been the best this season.
As for Hornby's rides at Royal Ascot I can only remember Rock Eagle. Wide trip, raced much too freely, and went for home about two furlongs too soon.
I said at the time the best horse won the Derby and I see no reason to change that opinion. If Westover and Desert Crown travelled upsides in a race, Westover would struggle to get the Derby winner off the bridle. He made late gains when the race was
wondersobright 25 Jun 22 15:50 re-match betting won't be far off joint favs
Desert Crown would be closer to 1/2 in a rematch I'd have thought. Anyone can think that Westover would have won on the day without being stopped if they choose but nothing today has enhanced him, the first 3 throughout were the first 3 home,the horses in behind ran absolute shockers and looked significantly impeded from being so far back.
wondersobright 25 Jun 22 15:50 re-match betting won't be far off joint favsDesert Crown would be closer to 1/2 in a rematch I'd have thought. Anyone can think that Westover would have won on the day without being stopped if they choose but nothing t
I am now convinced more than ever that jockey incompetence got this horse beat at Epsom. Also, the way it finished in the Derby and the way Keane rode it today - up with the pace to exploit the horse's stamina in the later stages - makes me wonder how they didn;t ride it that way at Epsom. We'll never know but it looked a very good 12f horse today.
I am now convinced more than ever that jockey incompetence got this horse beat at Epsom. Also, the way it finished in the Derby and the way Keane rode it today - up with the pace to exploit the horse's stamina in the later stages - makes me wonder h
At the risk of over timing, Tuesday was a lucky oaks winner, and Westover a somewhat unlucky Derby third. The latter might have won (but probably not) and the former would definitely have not imo.
Plus factor in a 3yr year old colt against a 3yr old filly (although a sex difference more advantageous in the 2yr old season) I still think that the boys form holds the majority of the time.
At the risk of over timing, Tuesday was a lucky oaks winner, and Westover a somewhat unlucky Derby third. The latter might have won (but probably not) and the former would definitely have not imo.Plus factor in a 3yr year old colt against a 3yr old f
A_T I think the future will show Westover is very lucky to be considered, by some, an unlucky loser in the Derby and if I were his owner and trainer I would swerve another meeting with Desert Crown until possibly the Arc where, if it comes up really soft, he may have a chance. And I do believe Hornby should ride him and I will be very disappointed in his connections if he doesn't.
A_T I think the future will show Westover is very lucky to be considered, by some, an unlucky loser in the Derby and if I were his owner and trainer I would swerve another meeting with Desert Crown until possibly the Arc where, if it comes up really
Anyone can see Westover was unlucky in running in the Derby. Would he have won or not,probably not on the day but he would've been much closer.No reason why he should swerve the King George.
Anyone can see Westover was unlucky in running in the Derby.Would he have won or not,probably not on the day but he would'vebeen much closer.No reason why he should swerve the King George.
brigust I think it would be fair enough for RH to get another chance but Keane did give a very good ride yesterday
if I owned Westover I would go for the Kg - there is only one to beat and with a horse is such good form you can't rely on waiting for October and I'm not sure Longchamp favours gallopers like Westover
brigust I think it would be fair enough for RH to get another chance but Keane did give a very good ride yesterdayif I owned Westover I would go for the Kg - there is only one to beat and with a horse is such good form you can't rely on waiting for O
A_T I also think CK gave Westover a good ride but, on form, he was miles in front of the only other two horses who got into the race and I am certain Hornby could have done the same. CK would have won much more difficult races than this in his career. Even with Tuesday being ridden poorly yesterday I don't think she would have challenged the winner so I cannot see Emily Upjohn running in the KG. The German horse, last years Arc winner may run, it has already beaten Adayar and Hurricane Lane and they will have nothing to lose. Adayar has not yet been confirmed and Hurricane Lane was well beaten by Broome however if Westover turns up he will certainly have a hard race and very likely be beaten so I would go for the St Leger then the Arc, as I have said. The reason I said if the ground came up soft that, I think would help Westover. On faster ground Longchamp is a fast track. If, and we might know more after the Eclipse, the three-year olds are over rated then they are all over rated and it will then be take your pick of the older horses.
A_T I also think CK gave Westover a good ride but, on form, he was miles in front of the only other two horses who got into the race and I am certain Hornby could have done the same. CK would have won much more difficult races than this in his career