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Backing unlucky losers is the way to the poor house.
While that adage has foundation to it as such horses tend to be overbet and as a result go off shorter than they should, isn't it the case that anyone who backs Westover is simply backing the horse with the best form as things stand, even without factoring in that he would finished closer with a trouble-free run? |
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I'm well in front doing it. Dancing Brave didn't do too bad.
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I said at the time the best horse won the Derby and I see no reason to change that opinion. If Westover and Desert Crown travelled upsides in a race, Westover would struggle to get the Derby winner off the bridle. He made late gains when the race was over.
Are they saying Hornby isn't good enough to ride good horses in Ireland, or not good enough to ride good horses full stop? He is an ordinary jock, but that goes for most of them. Moore has clearly been the best this season. As for Hornby's rides at Royal Ascot I can only remember Rock Eagle. Wide trip, raced much too freely, and went for home about two furlongs too soon. |
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I'm amazed at the lack of comprehension of momentum lost and head starts given in races
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apologies, I was being facetious
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good luck rob getting back on that...no chance
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great ride, great horse.
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Better than Desert Crown?
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backed it at epsom but not today. typical
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Roll on a rematch with DC
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no messing from Keane there, couple of hefty whacks when going clear to make absolutely sure
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re-match betting won't be far off joint favs
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I think so!
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I will be in the Westover camp
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7 lengths
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I have backed in every race he has run after his debut, even as 2yo when he got beat he should had won.
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Proper Jockey onboard
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Just watching on TV but Westover doesn't look to quicken quiter as fast as Desert Crown
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As I said, Rob Hornby got the best horse beaten. Although we'll have to wait until he meets the Epsom Derby winner before everybody agrees.
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unfortunately for Hornby he'll probably struggle to get back on him ever again now.
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Hornby won't be trusted again on it
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plenty evens available hornby rides it again
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Will Rob get the ride back?
The connections did say Colin only got the ride because he knows the Curragh so well Let's see if they are full of it |
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wondersobright 25 Jun 22 15:50
re-match betting won't be far off joint favs Desert Crown would be closer to 1/2 in a rematch I'd have thought. Anyone can think that Westover would have won on the day without being stopped if they choose but nothing today has enhanced him, the first 3 throughout were the first 3 home,the horses in behind ran absolute shockers and looked significantly impeded from being so far back. |
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You've also got to factor in any amount of improvement from DC.
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I think the pace of the race was alright just the opposition today was useless. Tuesday flattered by her Oaks win.
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Derby form stacking up quite well
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Has Westover done improving though? On that evidence you'd have to say no. And DC is very likely still improving too.....I want to see the rematch!
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1-2 in the KE and 1-2 in the ID
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Even the 3rd horse lends collateral form to the Derby through Stone Age
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I am now convinced more than ever that jockey incompetence got this horse beat at Epsom. Also, the way it finished in the Derby and the way Keane rode it today - up with the pace to exploit the horse's stamina in the later stages - makes me wonder how they didn;t ride it that way at Epsom. We'll never know but it looked a very good 12f horse today.
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When Hornby rode Westover in the Derby he beat Piz Badile by 14 lengths today CK only beat it 7 lengths. Why shouldn't Hornby ride it next time?
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At the risk of over timing, Tuesday was a lucky oaks winner, and Westover a somewhat unlucky Derby third. The latter might have won (but probably not) and the former would definitely have not imo.
Plus factor in a 3yr year old colt against a 3yr old filly (although a sex difference more advantageous in the 2yr old season) I still think that the boys form holds the majority of the time. |
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Why shouldn't Hornby ride it next time?
probably in case he makes another mess of it |
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A_T I think the future will show Westover is very lucky to be considered, by some, an unlucky loser in the Derby and if I were his owner and trainer I would swerve another meeting with Desert Crown until possibly the Arc where, if it comes up really soft, he may have a chance. And I do believe Hornby should ride him and I will be very disappointed in his connections if he doesn't.
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Anyone can see Westover was unlucky in running in the Derby.
Would he have won or not,probably not on the day but he would've been much closer.No reason why he should swerve the King George. |
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brigust I think it would be fair enough for RH to get another chance but Keane did give a very good ride yesterday
if I owned Westover I would go for the Kg - there is only one to beat and with a horse is such good form you can't rely on waiting for October and I'm not sure Longchamp favours gallopers like Westover |
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A_T I also think CK gave Westover a good ride but, on form, he was miles in front of the only other two horses who got into the race and I am certain Hornby could have done the same. CK would have won much more difficult races than this in his career.
Even with Tuesday being ridden poorly yesterday I don't think she would have challenged the winner so I cannot see Emily Upjohn running in the KG. The German horse, last years Arc winner may run, it has already beaten Adayar and Hurricane Lane and they will have nothing to lose. Adayar has not yet been confirmed and Hurricane Lane was well beaten by Broome however if Westover turns up he will certainly have a hard race and very likely be beaten so I would go for the St Leger then the Arc, as I have said. The reason I said if the ground came up soft that, I think would help Westover. On faster ground Longchamp is a fast track. If, and we might know more after the Eclipse, the three-year olds are over rated then they are all over rated and it will then be take your pick of the older horses. |