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What a shambles.
I once had a share in a greyhound syndicate whose mission statement was to but saplings and young dogs. No real issues ( and little success either ) until a couple of years in and the ( top class ) trainer bought a three+ year old dog from another of his owners, for the syndicate. Bye bye syndicate for me. I feel for these guys. They must feel let down and ill-used, and who can blame them? |
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Probably quite a few trainers spitting out their cornflakes this morning having assumed this sort of thing is their birthright.
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It must surely have occurred to the new owners that it was a possibility as Skelton was on both sides of the deal to ask him directly was he going to benefit from the sale and nip the whole thing in the bud.
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Bloodstock agent 2.5%? Thought they charged 5%? This smacks of the Webber/Sherwood kerfuffle many years ago, taking a cut from both ends, nice work til you get caught out.
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theres 2 sides to this,
you,ve only heard one and i,m not telling you mine ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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There's a big difference between 1) taking the word of a trainer about buying another horse in his yard; and 2) taking the word of a trainer about buying another horse in his yard when the trainer receives 42 grand after you buy it. Even if the 42 grand really is training fees.
These guys had no reason to think the situation was anything other than option (1). If option (1) really were a big red flag, no trainer could sell a horse to an owner in his yard. |
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It just shows us a glimpse of what these people are about. Thank you for posting.
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Yes, fascinating insight, great article, thanks for posting
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Follow the money as it usually tells all you need to know ...
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Murky work.
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when dealing with the horsey set only 3 rules
keep your hands in your pocket dont shake hands and your granny locked up |
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Yes,not long since Skelton was screaming the house down when his relationship with Laddies was under threat,good luck to the owners,they've obviously got the dosh to take this further.
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Shouldn't be hard to find out how many other invoices from "Jam House Bloodstock Ltd " corresponded with the recent sale of a horse connected to Skelton and his associates should it.
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Dodgy as hell. A mere coincidence training fees amounted tp exactly 1/3 share of proceed from the sale of the horse? If so, the Pope is a Muslim.
Once again, the BHA is shirking the issue. They would not want to open a can of "worms" incase other racing luminaries are implicated with the same practice. Where money is involved, there'll always be greed and sharp practice in operation. |
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Amazes me that so many think the only recourse is civil litigation to resolve an issue that obviously has criminal implications given the evidence already in the public domain.Two "suspected" offences I can identify just from the above article 1. False accounting 2.Fraud with the intention to obtain money or services using false representation.Slightly more detailed obviously but at first sight any savvy police officer would accept a complaint if presented with just the basics of the article.
The syndicate should make such a complaint before they get to litigation and regardless of the BHAs stance bearing in mind also their head of "Integrity" has already departed before some high profile stuff starting this week? |
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By Lee Mottershead, Senior writer
7:00PM, NOV 29 2021 Dan Skelton has alleged the owner of his first Cheltenham Festival winner has subjected him to "a campaign" for more than three years as he responded to a Sunday newspaper story that raised questions over the sale of a horse. Skelton insisted the BHA had previously cleared him of any wrongdoing in relation to a transaction that resulted in a once-raced hurdler being sold to a syndicate that included retired underwriter Tony Holt, who was involved in the partnership that won the County Hurdle with the Skelton-trained Superb Story in 2016. The 36-year-old, who trained his 1,000th career winner this month, has pledged to give his "full cooperation and assistance" to any new BHA investigation. The BHA offered no comment on the case, but the syndicate said they were seeking "transparency, honesty, truth and justice" and argued Skelton had been uncooperative over questions put to him by their solicitor and by Sunday Times reporter David Walsh. According to the article, it was eight months after Superb Story's win that Holt and a group of other owners agreed to pay £130,000 for George Gently having been contacted by a bloodstock agent and speaking with Skelton about the horse. At that point George Gently had run only once, finishing second in a French juvenile hurdle when trained by Skelton and owned by David Futter's Yorton Farm Stud. CHELTENHAM, ENGLAND - MARCH 18: Harry Skelton on Superb Story win the Vincent O'Brien County Handicap Hurdle as part of the Cheltenham Festival at Cheltenham Racecourse on March 18, 2016 in Cheltenham, England. (Photo by Michael Steele/Getty Images) Superb Story becomes Dan Skelton's first Cheltenham Festival winner in the 2016 County Hurdle Michael Steele In two outings for the new owners, George Gently was pulled up at Southwell before finishing seventh at Kempton, after which he was sold by Goffs UK, fetching just £1,800. The article then claims in a future conversation Futter told Holt that Skelton owned one-third of the horse at the time he was bought by Holt's syndicate and received the equivalent amount from the sale proceeds. Futter subsequently refuted that, while Skelton's legal team reportedly told Holt's lawyers that the £42,033 the trainer invoiced Futter – equivalent to one-third of the £130,000 minus a bloodstock agent's commission plus VAT – was "in lieu of training fees incurred by Yorton-owned horses in Skelton's yard". Walsh's article states that particular piece of information was also related to Holt by BHA head of regulation Andrew Jowell. GEORGE GENTLYDAN SKELTON STABLE TOUR 2016GROSSICK PHOTOGRAPHYThe Steadings Rockhallhead Collin DG1 4JW www.grossick.co.ukJOHN GROSSICK George Gently schools at home when trained by Dan Skelton Grossick Racing In a statement issued on Sunday, Skelton said: "Mr Holt embarked on a campaign against me in relation to his purchase of George Gently some time ago. "That began in mid-2018 when he made a complaint against me to the BHA. The BHA carefully and properly investigated that complaint and I gave them my full cooperation. The BHA, on completion of its investigation, concluded that no further action should be taken. "Mr Holt over the next two years then made a number of threats of legal action before raising a further complaint with the BHA concerning the same horse. I have offered my full cooperation and assistance to the BHA. "Owners who entrust their horses to me are always, along with their horses, my priority. I have been extremely lucky both with the many owners that have been with us from the beginning and those who have joined us more recently. We share a common goal and respect for the horses that we train for them. Inevitably, there are disappointments in racing and in racehorse ownership." The dispute between the syndicate and Skelton continues, with the possibility remaining that the case will end up in civil court. Contacted by the Racing Post, a spokesman for the syndicate said: "Mr Holt and his fellow syndicate members instigated a complaint against Mr Skelton following David Futter's disclosure of Mr Skelton's interest in George Gently. "The BHA reopened the case against Mr Skelton following the presentation of additional new evidence and this investigation still continues. "Mr Skelton has repeatedly refused transparency and credible answers to the evidential questions of the syndicate's solicitor and has also declined to provide a response to David Walsh. On a matter of principle the syndicate seeks transparency, honesty, truth and justice." |
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If it walks like a duck....
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"waddles" in fatboy's case
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Some interesting stuff on twitter re Skelton,offering to train the Bishop's horses for free as long as Cue Card came,couple more similar tales.
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"Mr Skelton has repeatedly refused transparency and credible answers to the evidential questions of the syndicate's solicitor''
Which means nothing. It's a cert he's been advised by his own solicitor to keep his mouth shut. |
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i remember on here a couple of years ago there was talk of a trainer trying to tap up owners from other trainers,was that him by any chance
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99% sure it was
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The vendor of the horse concerned spilled the bean to the buyer about Skelton's (ownership) part in the transaction (allegedly), then retracted it. If proven, could this be a case of no honour amongst thieves?
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Slightly off topic but didn't someone post a while back that a lot of trainers wouldn't give Harry outside rides as they were afraid the horse's in question might end up moved to his brother?
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That sounds about right MJK.
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I cannot understand how the BHA could come to the conclusion that it ‘would’ve been better’ for Skelton to have disclosed this information, but that he was ‘not obliged’ to. The Code of Conduct is perfectly clear that a trainer “must” disclose any interest or financial benefit they will receive from the sale. If “must” doesn’t actually confer an obligation, what exactly the the point of the Code of Conduct?
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Futter subsequently refuted that, while Skelton's legal team reportedly told Holt's lawyers that the £42,033 the trainer invoiced Futter – equivalent to one-third of the £130,000 minus a bloodstock agent's commission plus VAT – was "in lieu of training fees incurred by Yorton-owned horses in Skelton's yard". Walsh's article states that particular piece of information was also related to Holt by BHA head of regulation Andrew Jowell.
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I’m not even sure that the distinction of whether he formally owned a share in the horse is that important. The code states that a trainer must declare that they have “an interest” in a horse, but also whether they stand to “receive a financial benefit of any kind from the sale”. Even if he didn’t formally own a share of the horse, it appears that there must have been an agreement that he would receive a payment for waived training fees when the horse was sold.
It’s hard to see how that doesn’t represent a “financial benefit”. Of course, if he did actually formally own a share in the horse then that would be an aggravating factor. |
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The horse got a tendon injury 3 weeks after arrival in Skeltons yard. I'm sure it had nothing to do with him hitting himself a few weeks prior.
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How hard can it be be to see what other " training fees went through Jam House Bloodstock Ltd"
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Won't be hard now that owners determined to bring this further and BHA have reopened the case.
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The horse got a tendon injury 3 weeks after arrival in Skeltons yard. I'm sure it had nothing to do with him hitting himself a few weeks prior
We'll never know, but I had a filly who had heat in her nr fore the morning after winning a race on hard ground. When I got her home, I had both front legs scanned, and there was indeed a tear in the nr fore, but there was also a tear in the off-fore, which was starting to heal!. She'd evidently had a previous tendon injury from something else, weeks before, without any symptoms. |
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I make no bones about it -there looks to be an ominous skelton in the closet here.
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For interest, there's a sale being run by Goffs today at Yorton Farm, which includes a 3-y-old that won a hurdle in France on his debut on Monday. That horse is called Invictus Smart and he was being trained in France and is shown in the catalogue today as 'Consigned by H Merienne', the French trainer in question.
France Galop however shows the ownership of the horse as being 34% C J Edwards, 33% D Futter, 33% H Merienne. Edwards and Futter being the owners that sold George Gently. Oh, and Invictus Smart is a son of Masterstroke, who stands at Yorton Farm Stud. This is the race he won - Invictus Smart is No 9 in all white colours, ridden by James Reveley: https://www.equidia.fr/courses/2021-11-29/R3/C5 |
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Bought as a yearling at Osarus sale at Maisons-Laffitte by Richard Venn (bloodstock agent)/Yorton Farm for 24,000 euros. (Venn bought George Gently as a yearling).
Unsold at Goffs-run sale at Yorton Farm in Sept 2020, 24,000 euros. Just gone for £200,000 after that win. |
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34% C J Edwards, 33% D Futter, 33% H Merienne
I've had half a dozen goes at constructing a comment on that piece of information, but every one of them would have been libellous. |
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Finally the BHA have decided to charge him. It's so clear cut, and long overdue (3.5 years). No thanks to the BHA, but well done the owners of George Gently for perseverance. Let's hope the penalty fits the crime. Another own-goal by a prominent trainer of horseracing; money = greed and fraud.
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Beats me how they ran up 42,000 of training fees, could only find one horse they have raced with Skelton and that was Virgilio.
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Should he not be suspended while this is investigated...after all it is just as damaging to racing's image as anything Gordon Elliott did...I wonder how many of the gravy train eg Fitzgerald will be clutching their pearls over this one
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