RP TS & RPR figures

Pretty sure they're not finalised until 6 or 7 the night before racing. Not sure why just seems to be the case

Cheers reply Jim

Wasted a bit of time then earlier trying to get ahead

Top RPR ponies never lose

Gherkin was top RPR, drifted, made a comeback from 100 IR.

iirc from Paul Kealy the ratings are updated for the daily cards to reflect race conditions. For that reason, if you want the raw ratings, it is best to look early. I can never quite make up my mind which is best but I wish you could press a button on the RP cards to flick between raw and updated.

Just look up the best RPRs from previous runs and adjust for weight. I don't see the problem. My main beef about RPR is that they never go back to make adjustments. For instance if a horse is rated 80 when winning a maiden and then 100 for its next run a month later and 110 the next, the 80 is still there for all time which means the ratings for the horses behind it are meaningless.

aiui and I could easily be wrong is that RPRs on the daily cards are not adjusted only for weight but sometimes also for things like the (forecast) going.

Why is the RP verdict often different from top RPR? E.g. the fav is top RPR but verdict is on the second or third fav.

Cheers for some of the comments

All seems a bit random when can change through the day

Gaze, because top rpr recorded may be over different course ground distance conditions to todays race. If you auto pick top rpr you are always ignoring the race conditions!

Dont do it. Its very lazy

Btw rachel candleora who i hugely respect on all weather seems to ignore ratings totally

My main beef about RPR is that they never go back to make adjustments. For instance if a horse is rated 80 when winning a maiden and then 100 for its next run a month later and 110 the next, the 80 is still there for all time which means the ratings for the horses behind it are meaningless.

Sage, I'm pretty sure that I've come across occasional adjustments to previous ratings.

As others have said best approach is to look at previous ratings and make weight adjustments yourself. You need to be wary that easy/ comfortable winners are sometimes rated on what they might be capable of rather than what they actually achieved.

I used to do my own ratings a few years ago but when I had a brief dabble back at punting last year I used the RP ones to reasonable effect.

Worth noting also that if the base race for Topspeed figures at a meeting turns out to be better or worse form than seemed the case at the time, then the Topspeed ratings for every other race at that meeting SHOULD be adjusted.

One of those things that make calculating your own form ratings and speed figures worth the effort. If YOU do it, and THEY don't, there's your edge, right there.

The dangers of using RPR best ever rating is that they might be a long way out of date. I tend to ignore anything more than 4 runs ago. Ballyandy and Botox Has were the top RPRs in the Greatwood. Botox Has was surprisingly short today but Ballyandy started at 33/1 and never looked happy.

for ratings without any adjustments for the days conditions you'll need Raceform.

My main beef about RPR is that they never go back to make adjustments.

Too much work involved sageform.

If YOU do it, and THEY don't, there's your edge, right there

screaming is correct, but it's an awful lot of work.

IMHO it is a horse's last time out Topspeed figure that is the most reliable, provided it was achieved within the last 40 days. For me, RPRs are very subjective.

They are certainly subjective in maidens and other races with very little form to go on but with 4 or more runs, most horses can be assessed fairly well.

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