Anyone more breathless since being double jabbed?

And, yes, it does make you a fcucking idiot, of the highest order - I could add a few more to that as I'm sure a lot of others could too. You are the forum loon, an arrogant one at that.

That's just abuse, Jinxy1. I thought you were better than that.

George - you're wasting your time reasoning with retards, just sit back and enjoy the schadenfreude coming to these dribblers from early '22.
You're witnessing darwinism in real time, those of us left to write the history books will have one helluva tale to tell.

there was a study out last month linking conspiracy theorists and mental illness...think they may be on to something

leif31 Oct 21 10:10Joined: 26 Jun 08 | Topic/replies: 5,896 | Blogger: leif's blog
Did Sergio Aguero take the jib jab recently?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sport/aguero-taken-hospital-after-suffering-chest-pain-2280656

I think the much lower death rate presently compare to last year is proof beyond doubt vaccine is the sole significant difference despite the high infection rate. Similarly, hospitalisation rate.

Anyone thinking otherwise has an ulterior motive not conducive to reality and definition of fact.

Much of the low hanging fruit went last year, covid didn't kill fit younger people before the vax and it won't kill them now.

jabs are for pansies

All the comments discussing anything against the jabbing removed.

Nothing anti vax, just viewpoints.

If this doesnt wake the sheeple up, nothing will.

You can't have a view which varies from the official propaganda.

I'd rather be called a pansy (by vaccine sceptics) than hospitalised or possible death any time - it is a clear no-brainer. And, I do not moan or whinge either unlike those blaming the state for lesser oportunity, housing, education, obesity, etc.

Self-responsibility and ambition seem to be lacking for some.

Quite a lot would be still alive if they'd used self-responsibility and not been as fat as pigs tbf. I still know no fat people who have made a concerted effort to get some off in fear of what covid might do to them.

I'm told the people who have/had an adverse reaction to the jab are those who had Covid at some stage but didn't know they did.

My daughter and her partner got the vid in August after having two jabs. My partner was recently quite ill for three days after her third jab. Its experimental, there will be variations we don't yet know about.

I have felt unwell for months , I have no idea if it relates to the jabs or not ....but I can find no other change in my lifestyle in the last year.
I have had blood tests and told there is no ailment showing.
I often sleep badly and some days I have felt bad all day and feel like I am not long for this world.

I have had to force myself to ride my bike despite feeling truly awful when setting off ......but I am still here and today climbed a ferocious steep climb.

It does make you wonder .....we are told the jab is 'waning' .....and I am not feeling anything like as bad as  a couple of months ago.

These comments on here wont last too much longer i'm afraid....

Seems everyone in the country who has had an adverse reaction to being vaccinated posts on the betfair forum.

Forum populated by men with an average age of 70+ and a couple of them have a few aches and pains - who'd a thought it?

the average age exceeds the average iq.

Tiger

Tiger thinks half a dozen in the country have had an adverse reaction 

Double jabbed in February, just had the booster and flu jab last week. No reaction whatsoever and feel great.

Let's hope and pray all the 12-16 year olds who are made to have an experimental  jab by their sheeple parents, have no adverse reactions and are all here to go trick or treating this time next year.

But as even the rotten BBC admit on their, kids being jabbed next week story, this will hundred per cent not be happening according to the risks.....

Good luck luck with your health for the future, slippy.

Who knows what will happen..

Fingers crossed all will be well.

my second post regarding it can affect peoples sleeping has been removed again there must be something in it

'sheeple'. my fave portmanteau neologism. always used by ignoramuses who think its clever to pour scorn on everything. they believe every conspiracy theory without thinking it through and never say what did happen. instead, disbelief of the 'official narrative' is the mantra. they are a boon for interweb mischief put about by russia china iran and others who strangely enough, devote huge resources to troll farms posting poisonous garbage while severely restricting their own peoples access to it. they know its power.

keep on disbelieving bennytheberk

mitolo 31 Oct 21 17:38 
the average age exceeds the average iq.




This type of scorn is acceptable I assume?

if directed at targets deserving of it, yes. like this one. anti-vaxxers like corbyn and ike and that mad woman i cant remember the name of deserve it, dont you think?(you dont)

Looks like you’ll require a 4th booster for Cheltenham…I guess at some point they’ll crack the code and you won’t need them anymore.

the 'code' could have been cracked if the ccp hadnt been so dishonest and disruptive. and still is. amazing how they seem to have escaped the blame for this disaster. you can be sure the u.s. wouldnt have had such an easy time of it had it been responsible.

Most are scared of upsetting China, though they'd rather pretend they just don't want to be racist. The US have paid em a lot of money to do highly questionable research though.

The US have also paid Tunisia a few bob to see how long it takes sand flies to eat the faces off around 40 tethered beagles. Less than a day I think.

Slit their throats so the couldn’t bark or hear them wimper

yet more bollox. you are rapidly becoming the biggest idiot on the forum, in a big field.

'theyd rather pretend they just dont want to be racist'. wtf does that mean?

the u.s has 'paid them a lot of money'? really? how do you know? are you a member of the ccp politburo? its cost the u.s zillions. have they cosied up and said 'tell us what you did, and we will shut up about it'? is that it? did icke tell you this?

is this the 'questionable research'? into how they manufactured the virus? how they dealt with it? any other viruses they might have in the pipeline?

how did this top secret information reach you? via that well-known water-tight keeper of secrets, the interweb?

or did you dream it? wac

you

saddo this mitolo fella is a character

yet more incredible garbage. exactly what i pointed out earlier about malign agencies manufacturing dissatisfaction and promoting dissent. agents of mischief stick up poisonous rubbish and idiots like you pick it up and propagate it, as above. yet you are 'sceptical' of vaccines and 'official narratives'. you are tools of lies and disinformation. and tools in general.

this has a long and ignoble history, from the protocols to the aids nonsense and now this latest travesty. have you ever noticed all these 'stories' point one way? theres several 'conspiracy' tales about various states but nobody is interested. they might be true. but post something for the u.s. to deny, and the mugs are all over it.

even supposing the u.s. wanted to do this, they could easily do so in one of the many secret military installations like 'area451' . but they decided on a high-risk strategy to involve highly untrustworthy foreign agents in  an alien country thousands of miles from their control to do it for them, despite knowing the risks and the terrible fall-out that would ensue? yes, thats it. of all people, the tunisians were selected to pursue extremely grisly work on their behalf, on the absolute iron agreement of total secrecy.


but it got out. oh no! caught bang at it!

except it hasnt, cos it didnt happen. but there will be no shortage of interweb memes about it, fed by the same creatures that created the story. and it wont appear on any news programme, because.... wait for it, the msm are in on it too. didnt you know? they are all at it.

Keep ranting, you are very good at it 

what did i post that is untrue? go on, disagree with any of it. where did you get your info?

and i aint ranting.

im gazing at the moonlit uplands of norf laundon with a glass of vino fabuloso and a big laa di daa. highlighting your stupefying idiocy does not raise my ire. you aint worthy of it. i pity you

All the fancy words in the dictionary couldn't hide your seethe. I think you are a little unhinged tbh.

you dont think. if you did you wouldnt post such blatant nonsense. do you stand by your post?

and i make no apology for using english. nothing fancy about it

Which post, the unhinged one? Yes I do, sorry.

lame attempt at humour. no, not that one, as you know. no need to apologise, i dont take offence, and nor should you. although you are clearly embarrassed.

never mind, admittance of error can be therapeutic. do you stand by your post about poor little doggies being eaten?

The median age of death with or of Covid is 83, according to the Office of National Statistics (it was 82 last year, pre-vaccines):

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/averageageofthosewhohaddiedwithcovid19

Even at that age, you were 1.01 not to die of Covid, even last year, pre-vaccines:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths

Why anyone has been queuing up to injected with drugs for this is beyond me. We've now got the immune systems of half the world primed to respond to just this particular spike protein, rather than a whole virus, as in natural immunity.

There were (still are?) hundreds of coronaviruses being engineered for gain-of-function in labs. What the hell is going to happen when the next one leaks? One engineered with just enough antigenic drift in the spike protein to evade the antibodies generated by these vaccines? Bearing in mind that we've known for 50 years that repeated vaccination against one type of flu or corona virus leaves your body unable to generate appropriate antibodies to future, antigenically drifted viruses (the Hoskins effect/Hoskins paradox).

the fact something is 'beyond you' is evidence of nothing other than your ignorance. the overwhelming evidence, potentially flawed though it is, points in one diretcion. there will be a few outliers, but these are not normal times and its very hard to know what is the right thing to do.

like you, i know nuffink, but a clver person i know who works at icl is adamant; its the least bad solution, and as long as thats the case, its all we can do. incidentally, he also says it 80% out of the lab in wuhan.

Are you 83?

listen brianbox, you could stick up a million links saying anythig you like. thats the interweb for you. its catnip for mugs like you

I spent three years back in the 1980s translating pharmaceutical patents and clinical trials, for Bayer, Merck and Ciba-Geigy. In those days we had piles of case histories, blood pictures, immunoglobulin analyses, etc., going as far back as the 1960s. Because that's how long it takes for the pharma companies and drug regulatory authorities to assemble enough data to be able to recognize adverse events and distinguish them from background noise.

Or at least that's how long it took for every other drug in history bar these ones.

as i said, i know nuffink, but someone who has worked on this at icl non=stop for 18 months says its the least bad option. given what we are faced with. nobody can be sure of anything. thats all.

The scary thing is there are more people not wearing a mask predominantly in the supermarkets or enclosed environment despite high death and infection rates. The belief "I'm okay Jose" is in the ascendency perhaps until another lockdown.

There are hundreds upon thousands socialising in dimly lit, window averse, pubs bars and restaurants.

Even if you yourself, are avoiding those places, it's highly naive to think that not wearing a mask in a supermarket makes any SIGNIFICANT difference to the overall infection rates, given the scenario above.

This is the absolute irony of it all. You might be careful when you go to Waitrose, but your cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, wife, lover, mistress etc is probably visiting all these places and passing it on to you.

The vaccines will never be lauded as they should be, as we only count lives lost, and not lives saved.

But scientific estimates are that 112,000 deaths were prevented in the UK to early September 2021, and 24 million cases averted.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/covid-vaccines-saved-112000-lives-uk-deputy-medical-officer-says-2021-09-14/

How can it proved that one death was prevented or one case (whatever that means) was averted .Van Tam is merely making an assertion -he would say that wouldn't he?

I for one made it clear that I did not know whether the jabs had any effect on my feeling unwell.

But in the free speech world of the UK in 2021 , this is enough to be either a  tin foil  hat wearing loony or to be a non believer in the benefits of the jabs.

Those of you who are unwilling to allow a view that is not of your own ........ you will reap what you sow .

One point

As of today .

I live in a town which had some of the most stringent lockdown rules last year.
When my grand children ask me about the pandemic and I tell them I know literally zero people who have either tested positive or been ill from the virus ..... it still seems a little odd statistically .

The bottom line is this: the value of a young person or a baby is more than that of an 80-year-old person, because their remaining lifespan is many times longer. Now, 1. How many births were prevented due to lockdowns? 2. How many young people have died or had their lives ruined due to lockdowns? If the world has 100k fewer babies than it should have, then this "saving lives" nonsense was -EV.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-pandemic-caused-a-baby-bust-not-a-boom/

Idiotic "pundits" expected a baby boom when ole Gazey knew after 2 seconds of thinking that it would cause a bust. Could it be that the billionaires don't want what's best for us? The ruined economy is just a cherry on top of this shoite.

I have said this before.I live in Devon and belong to a golf club with 700+ members, the majority of which are quite elderly.No one died or was even ill before vacination.Since being jabbed they are falling ill like flies.I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

twizzle you're a conspiracy theorist, the vax is basically the super-soldier serum, it can't make people ill.

Some people are more discerning what drugs they put into their bodies on the say so of drug peddlers eager to make a buck
Doesn't make them CT.
Peanuts can kill some people so don't give me the vaccine is safe.
Says who?
If its so safe why are the drug peddlers not willing to pay compensation is it goes wrong?
It cant make people ill, fidiot

i really don't understand people who are playing Russian roulette with their lives..

Apologies for the abuse.
But talking in definites about anything to do with this pandemic is naive at best, imo

Trump had no vaccine.
Biden has had the vaccine from day 1 of his term
Roughly same amount of deaths and Biden hasn't endured a winter yet when it gets truly dangerous
How can that be possible if a vaccine is a success?

Also, most people who are doubtful of the efficacy of the vaccine WANT it to work
They are not remain nutters who want this country to implode so they can be proved "right" about brexit etc

some amount of **** being written on here by both sides, nobody knows anything for fact and if they say they do that's the people to avoid

If you want to increase your heart and lung efficiency for no cost and little time and effort then start Nasal Breathing . It will take up to 6 months before you become proficient and able to maintain it during light exercise . Either the James Nestor or the John Douillard books are excellent . Apologies for being on topic .

Thing is, the unvaxxed are worried about a known problem ie Covid-19 but the fully vaxxed are worried about side-effects which are largely unknown and according to Government stats have resulted in the deaths of 1,738 people in the UK as of last Friday (28th October).

Covid-19 is only a "known problem" if you're 80-plus and in poor health anyway. And even then it's only a known problem in the sense that dying itself is a known problem. The median age for death in the UK is 82.3 for males and 85.8 for females. If a disease such as Covid-19, with a median age of death of 81 for males and 85 for females, doesn't get you, something else will.

It would be nuts for someone such as myself to get injected with novel pharmaceuticals for this (male, 60, zero health problems bar deafness). Absolutely barmy.

Used to get angry about anti-vaxxers, now just pity the uneducated. Do wonder how many deaths they have on their consciences though.

On balance of probs, I think you're right, Screamer. The CEO of Pfizer is on record as saying that they couldn't / wouldn't go ahead with their vaccine without Government protection from legal action because of the possibility of law suits down the line, he mentioned 5 years, so even Pfizer don't really know ..

Bearing in mind Pfizer's criminal record for malpractice, I'm very wary of the vaccination. I might change my mind in the future, of course, but for now I'm playing wait and see

"Used to get angry about anti-vaxxers, now just pity the uneducated. Do wonder how many deaths they have on their consciences though."

Look, I get that you've been scared and have listened to the telly but don't confuse that with education
If you take a vaccine then good for you.
Anyone not having the vax has no effect on you.
You clearly don't understand the vaccine.

There seems to be a mandate to obtain the Pfizer/Moderna mrna vaccine even though the booster leaflet allows for the AZ vaccine for a booster "under certain medical conditions".
As to what these are nobody seems to know the answer and the vaccine centre I attended the other day said ask your GP for a letter.
So even though they admitted that they have AZ boosters they state they are mandated to ONLY give the mrna vaccines as boosters.
Therefore there is no alternative.I am personally reluctant to receive the mrna experimental vaccines as my original two doses were AZ.
Any thoughts?

Only that I don't recall seeing anything like this in all those drug trials I read and translated 40 years ago. The reason for that being that most problems with pharmaceuticals arise from interactions, where people are taking more than one drug. So they get excluded from the trials.

You see the effect of this when elderly patients get admitted to hospital in a dreadful state, and it's found they're on about ten different tablets. As a last resort, doctors stop all medication and the patient's symptoms ease. They don't live any longer, mind you. But at least they don't feel so lousy.

As to interactions between Pfizer's messenger RNA system of generating spike proteins and AZ's adenovirus method of delivery, God knows. "There's only one way to find out" seems to be the philosophy.

I mean, I can't think of any problems on the face of it. It's just two methods of delivering the same outcome - causing your body to generate the spike protein and then antibodies against it. Whether you think that's a good or necessary thing is another matter. I don't, as it happens, but that's just my opinion.

Its been trialed and the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA vaccines as  boosters give a significantly higher antibody resonse against the Delta Virus than the AZ . Around 95% cover .

But safety?

if only betfairs customer service, market managers and technical teams reacted so quickly to errors as the moderators do to removing slightly negative forum posts about the vaccine, betfairs customer friendly experience would improve alot.

Just had my booster. I was given Pzifer instead of AZ (previous). It seems that is the norm. So far, so good.

I find the pro-vaccination people very fervent in their belief and the rest of us not passionate antis just sceptical

I agree with Life-Lucky. The fervency is akin to religious belief in a lot of people.

*On the anti vax side also, I know a few of them. I'm a dispassionate sceptic like L-L.

How many injections in all is that Impossible over what period?

They believe financial elites care about the masses because they need us for work. Oh hang on a sec ...

One on 5th March then 2nd May. Today was the booster - 3 in total. I was told same dosage as previous. Hopefully, that will be it.

Ty. Hope so.

Anyone ever heard of a place called Sweden?

No

haha touchè!

UK deaths currently around 70,000 above what could have been expected. This 70,000 is likely an accurate figure of how many deaths are truly attributable to Covid. Get the Jab.

could have been.
likely accurate.

It's all vague guesswork, imo
I'll pass.
Flu is due, buckle up

Trump already told you to inject yourself with disinfectant

Aguero will never play again, are you vaxx fans cool with that?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/norway-footballer-emil-palsson-...

Greg, how's our man getting on? (pardon the pun)

Basil does that figure include those who haven't died of flu because of masks/lockdown?

Awful my kids will defo not be guinea pigs

yes stewarty hes still pickin up the big wins he always does well unlike me

MJK.....Yes.

Funny thing, Italy just revised their Table of Death

Turns out that of the 130,000 Covid deaths..
126,000 were WITH the virus and only..
4,000 were OF the virus

Funny ol'world

Big Guy Fawkes Night demo in Parliament Square this afternoon evening apparently everyone will be wearing a guido fawkes vendetta mask and dressed in black.

The message seems to be say no to tyranny

There's millions even just in UK that are so unwell from other conditions /obese /smokers /alcos/ poor diet/little exercise  that a bad cold could take 'em out.

Where did my conspiracy post disappear? Clown forum. Bill Gates of Hell is comin'...