Betfair intrusive questions

Fair or victor

I was thinking the same freddie

There have been many threads about affordability and source of funds, did you bother to read any of them, oldgit1?

Withdraw your funds..tell them to F*** O**, go elsewhere.

and when "elsewhere" asks the same questions?

"Fair or victor"
Sorry Victor.I could not get past the page. What's their hurry for an answer.

tell them you are a male escort and it is cash in hand work

"Their hurry" is that they have been profiling addicts and problem gamblers for about 20 years in order to fleece them - now they are in a hurry to gather some evidence that they aren't doing that any more.

"There have been many threads about affordability and source of funds, did you bother to read any of them, oldgit1?"
I've probably been reading them for about two years but expected to be asked to fill something in at my leisure not have it plonked in the middle of the screen when logging on.

"tell them you are a male escort and it is cash in hand work"

That sounds better than I've been retired for 28 years and live on pensions and investments to diverse to list.

It is a stinking mess oldgit1 I sincerely feel sorry for you having to answer trivial questions and give out personal stuff that is none of there business just to have have a recreational bit of enjoyment.
The majority have had to upload personal stuff they are uneasy to give out just like me but considering you are elderly it must very hard to upload stuff on line not everyones technically aufait with these things it is just a stress you dont need goodluck.

you won't avoid it anywhere, some are more intrusive than others, i've had a couple of phone calls which lasted 20 mins ish, a couple that I've had to fill out emails for and one which required loads of financial info with proof of funds to support my betting, suspect they will tighten it in time as well

It will go the other way imo. People wont put up with it and they will slacken

I've done it elise with betfair I have done everything going

" you won't avoid it anywhere, some are more intrusive than others, i've had a couple of phone calls which lasted 20 mins ish, a couple that I've had to fill out emails for and one which required loads of financial info with proof of funds to support my betting, suspect they will tighten it in time as well"
It seems to have been quite random how they suddenly pick on people rather than have a required date to give them the information by.It's not something that one can fill in when it's a demand put in the middle of the screen and how does one know it is genuine and not a scam.

most bookies have started with deposits higher than normal, a large loss, several deposits in a short time etc, some books have not yet even begun and because this is gov driven at some point they are going to standardise and all do similar

what type of customer are betting companies actually looking for now imo all customers of any ilk are treated the worst of any recreational arena going.
no ones safe

they wont let you put in silly answers. i got it also and tried astronaut, then vivisectionist earning 1m a year. blocked em so had to settle for one of their options. now closing account as the website is the worst ive ever seen

ballyregan
" it must very hard to upload stuff on line not everyones technically aufait with these things it is just a stress you dont need goodluck."
This oldgit is OK with computers as he was in at the start. When I worked for Ferranti in Edinburgh in the 60's they took over the Corn exchange in Dalkeith to house it. AnotherI worked for took over an ABC cinema . Amazing how small they they are now.

it's not that hard to upload and not that different to kyc, worst ive had was an account i barely use bf were a pain but ok

Ferranti had their own rugby team.  interesting factoid

geoff banks was on a podcast the other week and he was playing a round with a famous euro tour golfer and the golfer was saying a betting company wanted to do an affordability check on him surely they could have just googled him

Hulk23
Ferranti in Edinburgh had their own football team that eventually became Meadowbank and then Livingston.
The business cpllapsed after they fell for a massive con.

It seems that, amid the Thatcherite business hubris of the 1980s, Ferranti’s management had become convinced that they needed to expand the company in the United States, and that the best way to do that would be to merge with a US defense electronics company. Unfortunately, when selecting a company, they made an appallingly bad choice. They selected a Pennsylvania-based company called International Signal & Control (ISC).

There were warning signs that ISC was a suspect operation, which Ferranti’s management and their auditors managed to miss. (For example, although nominally a US operation, ISC had chosen to register in Britain, simply to take advantage of relatively lax regulation of businesses in Britain.)

Soon after Ferranti merged with ISC, it began to become apparent that some of ISC’s major contracts actually didn’t exist at all, and that ISC’s management had engaged in elaborate deceptions to maintain their fraud. The CEO of ISC, James Guerin, was actually circulating money through front companies to give the impression that progress payments were being made on the fictitious contracts, but he couldn’t keep that up forever, so when he was no longer able to borrow more money, the whole fraud was exposed.

To be fair, though, the ISC fraud wasn’t the sole cause of Ferranti’s demise. This was the time of the end of the Cold War, when defense budgets were being slashed and contracts canceled. As Wilson mentions in his book, Ferranti had for some time been too dependent for its income on military projects, so these cutbacks exacerbated the company’s already-serious predicament, and led to its bankruptcy.

I look forward to Hills asking for financial data. I'll point out that I may be their longest credit client as I opened my account in 1954 or 55.

they'll still ask, it's a tick box exercise they are covering themselves

Mitolo
Did it lock up your system until you answered it.
I can't get past the A's on the employment list.Presumably it must have retired somewhere. Nor can I get the contact link to respond.

yes.

As soon as you start to type retired the option of either Early retirement or State pension comes up. Then a drop down for income band. Thats it, you are then back in. No requirement for any further details or proof so no problem really.

What if you're early retired and in income band £0.00?

some will not ask much else (as in financial income), some may ask for proof of disposable income or savings to off set your spending on gambling, varies by bookie, ive only had to provide a bank statement to one so far

"What if you're early retired and in income band £0.00?"
I retired at 59 in 1993 and sold our main home in Surrey and moved to a flat we owned and had been renting out.Invested money from the house added to savings and income from PEP's (now called ISA's ) provided a good income to live comfortably and travel the world until got pensions. Seems no way to explain that.I don't feel comfortable at handing out papers with financial deails. Total capital and income can vary greatly from year to year depending on stock market and interest rates and about half of it is in my wifes name.

technically, you could be retired from employment and be full time on here in your 20s, in some cases there are people on here that might have most of their free funds as their trading balance and have no visible income

Is there anything that can be done in return for the inconvenience? Is there an equivalent of a freedom of information act for businesses where we can relentlessly ask questions about how they operate? Would be nice to return the favour.

not relentlessly, but you can ask for copies of all information any business holds on you, if you do that via post rather than email and ask for them to respond with hard copy they have to, i think they get 1 month to comply

Lowest band on Vic is

FFS
Less than 18000 so just put that and early retirement/self funded

The majority of gambling companies (betfair excluded) don't even protect your funds if they go insolvent, so we very much have a vested interest in knowing about their financial position.

tis true, there was a report knocking about not so long back re which ones have some / no protection

Thats 4 posts in a day. Must be a record for me. For some reason it doesn't accept the 'less than' character and deletes everything after

whichbookie has the report but it's out of date now

Elise: I went full-time back in November 1990, aged 29, which is why I posed the question. The only declarable income I've had since then is interest on savings, and that's been virtually zero anyway for the last decade.

I lost my last bookmaker account years ago, so that's not an issue. But if I ever have to make a deposit on here again, I guess that'll be curtains. As it is, it means I have to keep a 5-figure balance on here, just in case, and I really don't like that. If nothing else, it leaves me open to doing something ruinously stupid, and heaven knows I've done that often enough over the last 30 years. Just not to 5 figures.

not really screaming, im fairly much the same, gave up my job 20 years ago, when i was contacted by bf i asked them to call me which they did, they go through their checklist but they can view your lifetime account so it was nothing more than a checklist on "are you in control on a scale of 1-10", they will freeze your acc if you don't respond but tbh they were ok, i hadn't deposited, i just risk large amounts

Screaming, you can have 5 figures in here and set weekly loss limits to 4 figures to stop you doing anything stupid yet have the
benefit of not needing to re deposit after a loss

in some cases it would be the loss that triggers not the deposit, as above i hadn't made a deposit and if you often get emails saying we want to talk to you about responsible gambling from them you're prob on the list to get a call at some point

Thanks for the tip, jamesdean. The trouble is that if you hit your limit, you're then excluded for the rest of the day. I couldn't face having a disaster on race 1, then spending the next 24 hours watching how I would have definitely got it all back.

Elise: I got one of those we'd like to talk to you about responsible gambling e-mails after that photo at Cheltenham, the one where the judge called a dead heat between two of his former colleagues at Paul Nicholls' yard. I thought about replying that you might like to talk to Guy Lewis, if you're that worried about my account balance, but decided it was best to just ignore it.

They wouldn't get much joy if they rang me up to discuss the matter, with me being deaf. Who knows? Maybe they have. I unplugged the landline years ago.

i just found it easier to discuss, but i was getting those gambling emails daily, what you need to watch for is the one asking to discuss your account or watch for them calling the phone number you have as a contact because if you ignore they will freeze your acc

SCREAMING: Dont need to set a limit. If you have a balance you dont want put @ risk in case of fat finger syndrome put a huge lay in @ 1.01 in an antepost event you can then adjust accordingly as day goes on if you need 2.

Thanks, geoff. Why didn't I think of that?

And thanks to elise for the warning not to adopt my usual response to unwelcome news (ignore it and it will go away).

I told an American friend about Bet Victor and others asking such questions.
His reply.. I would tell them that it is none of their business and if they suspend the account they will be sued for everything that they have in THEIR till. Your information is private and you do not have to give it to anyone, especially someone who is trying to coerce you to do so under threat, thereby denying you of what is rightfully yours.













I told

I'm fairly sure that the USA has similar know your customer/anti-money laundering regs to the UK, so threatening to sue will just result in a lot of CS reps giggling at the angry old man.

Going back about 7 years, I opened an internet account with BetVictr and I got a nice email from them which actually included the line "We really want you to succeed".
16 days later after 3 winners from 4 bets and a profit in excess of £200, I got a nasty email from them telling me that they had closed my account "due to betting patterns" and that I could never bet with VC again.  I don't know exactly how much my profit was because I was blocked from logging on, but it was less than £300.
Wondering whether anyone else has had an email from them saying that they really wanted you to succeed?

Dave 1357
American friend replied
Whomever answered you doesn't understand it doesn't work the same way with the pari-mutual system. Does he actually think we have bookies? You bet in person for the most part your tax is paid immediately.

Does he actually think we have bookies?

Wat?

Just one example that you should be familiar with:

William Hill's £2.9 billion takeover by Caesars Entertainment was completed on Thursday, with the casino giant reiterating its intention to sell the bookmaker's businesses outside the US.

Caesars said the acquisition gave it "ownership of one of the world's leading betting and gambling companies and gives the company the ability to maximise the opportunity within sports betting and online gaming in the US".

https://www.racingpost.com/news/caesars-entertainment-completes-29-billion-takeover-of-william-hill/485894
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I would not give a bookmaker details of my income for all and sundry to look at.

That would mark the end of my online betting.

Dave1357
" Does he actually think we have bookies?"
He means racecourse bookies

Intially on my Bet Victor account I could not get past their message.Yesterday they sent one of their weekly offers and accepting that let me back in. Not that it really matters as they are the ones I use least.

^^what has that got to do with anything?  Racecourse books or the tote in the UK don't ask for your occupation either.  Quite obviously this entire conversation is about off course.

setting max exposure limits is almost always a sound idea, which is why i brought mine down to 3k, having done some daftees when laggo but it did me no good on the arc. put in a lay for adayar turning in when i thought it was knackered for500 at 6, which stayed in the system

backed a couple of others and then saw winner coming on outside and multi-clicked only for max exposure to kick in and only got 100 matched at 28 when i could have got 5 times that had i not had such a low exposure limit.

You can't even trust the scrotes with your email address (dodgy casino offers) or landline (Prince Monolulu tipsters), certainly not going to trust them with personal financial info (Sinn Fein membership).

for a bookmaker to continue to have a licence they are going to need to show due diligence re protection of vulnerable people or face fines and restrictions, so plenty of other non vulnerable punters might get caught in the fallout, they've already been given a minimum standard they need to comply with, they are being asked to consider going beyond that, what's missing at the moment is an industry standard and the full appreciation of how this impacts on non vulnerable / full timers etc, pretty sure that will come but expect some overkill by certain bookmakers until things settle